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    NFSeahawks628 wrote:Playing close games doesn't matter, wins do.


    You're right.

    And we have six wins, which right now puts us in pole position for the post season via wildcard.

    cesame wrote:He has lost 4 games to teams under .500 this year. That is unacceptable with the team he has.


    You mean the team he created?


    So John Schneider gets no credit now?
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Pete will be on the hot seat after next season if, as is nearly always the case with this franchise, they finish the usual 7-9, 8-8, 9-7.


    What if 9-7 = the post season?

    Will he be on the hot seat then?

    Remind me... what record did New York finish with last year before winning the Super Bowl?

    It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.
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  • The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    NFSeahawks628 wrote:Playing close games doesn't matter, wins do.


    You're right.

    And we have six wins, which right now puts us in pole position for the post season via wildcard.

    cesame wrote:He has lost 4 games to teams under .500 this year. That is unacceptable with the team he has.


    You mean the team he created?


    We would be out of the playoffs if they started today, if I understood the tie-breaking procedures correctly.

    If you can't get up for a road game and win a few you won't be around long in the playoffs, it's simple really.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

    He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

    He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.


    Actually I thought he made a crucial rookie mistake today. Should have thrown the ball into the dirt on that blown screen to Lynch instead of actually completing the pass. That cost us some critical yards. But overall, I agree that he doesnt play like a rookie.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

    He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.


    The quicker they let RW throw the ball out the better, guy is special. Still too much safety pin diaper offense.
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  • Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

    our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

    Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.


    The bare cupboards thing is no longer valid, it's been 3 drafts and 3 free agencies since he got here. What more can we ask for? How about taking the next step. Only losers cherish losing by 3 points. A good loser is still a loser. It's a very small percentage of our group calling for heads to roll and neither am I, but I will say I am highly disappointed in Carroll's performance as well as that of the players. Hanging on to excuses that have little to no relevance to what is actually going I guess makes it easier to hide from it.

    PC and the players do not deserve idol worship but some heat from the fans is due.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
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    JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

    He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.


    Actually I thought he made a crucial rookie mistake today. Should have thrown the ball into the dirt on that blown screen to Lynch instead of actually completing the pass. That cost us some critical yards. But overall, I agree that he doesnt play like a rookie.

    Yeah, I'll give you that one. He'll learn from trying to do too much when nothing's there though. Expect that's something we'll hardly ever see from him again considering how quickly he's progressed this year.
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  • Idk how anyone can be overly satisfied with the job Pete has done this year.

    4 losses against teams under .500

    In 3 of those losses the team had the lead late but Carroll's defense surrendered game-winning drives

    It has to change.
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  • pinksheets wrote:I agree with your points, but I guess the question is, at what point do all the great personnel moves, great statement wins, and the team being "better" than they've been not outweigh compiling a legitimate winning season, which will mean finally improving their road woes, and a playoff berth? Next year? Fair or not, that time is coming.



    Here are the teams who won ten or more games last season:

    New England (13-3)
    Baltimore (12-4)
    Pittsburgh (12-4)
    Houston (10-6)
    Green Bay (15-1)
    Detroit (10-6)
    New Orleans (13-3)
    Atlanta (10-6)
    San Francisco (13-3)

    Guess what? Super Bowl winners not included on that list.

    I mean, how do you define a 'legitimate winning season'? Green Bay almost had a perfect season, and lost to a 9-7 team at home in the playoffs. Carroll's memo has to be to show gradual progression, building towards being a regular contender. To put a competitive team on the field. That's all you can ask for in the NFL, to be competitive. We might be 9-7 for the next three years. We might also make the post season for the next three years. What's a legitimate winning season?

    Let's use some common sense here. This team has just identified a young, potential franchise quarterback. We have one of the youngest rosters in the league. The team is still growing and the current front office and staff have done a heck of a job. We're also competing in a newly competitive NFC West which just so happens to now include a red hot 49ers team. And yet we're still in position, as things stand, to make the post season for the second time in three years.

    This team would have to regress big time next year... like 3-5 wins regression... for Carroll to be on the hot seat. If this team continues on the current path, the only people putting him on the hot seat will be people frequenting an internet message board who really should know better.
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  • Ask yourselves this Seahawks fans....

    Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.


    New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

    If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.

    cesame wrote:Idk how anyone can be overly satisfied with the job Pete has done this year.

    4 losses against teams under .500

    In 3 of those losses the team had the lead late but Carroll's defense surrendered game-winning drives

    It has to change.


    Yeah... forget the six wins - some of which have been damn impressive... let's concentrate on those four close losses.

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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.


    New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

    If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.



    But... Seattle doesn't win on the road. Therefore they need home playoff games. Therefore they need a great regular season record. Therefore they need to win on the road. Therefore we're screwed.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Ask yourselves this Seahawks fans....

    Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?


    I think they are from last year. Looking at the beginning of this year to now the defense is playing worse and the offense (Russell Wilson) is playing better.

    They are going through adversity. This sucks but I still think we'll be alright. Pete's not on the hotseat now for me. Next year he's definitely under evaluation. We have to fill some holes for sure. Defensive middle, another LB, a nickel. It's clearly a very serious issue at this point. Teams are exploiting it every week now when we are not at home with the noise.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.


    New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

    If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.

    cesame wrote:Idk how anyone can be overly satisfied with the job Pete has done this year.

    4 losses against teams under .500

    In 3 of those losses the team had the lead late but Carroll's defense surrendered game-winning drives

    It has to change.


    Yeah... forget the six wins - some of which have been damn impressive... let's concentrate on those four close losses.

    I need to get out of this thread.


    You mean the 2 quality wins out of 6 that they have? With 1 of them being gifted to them?

    The 6-5 record is beyond underwhelming given the schedule they've had.
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  • HEllooooooooo!! They've got a rookie QB. A 3rd round rookie QB. Did any of you expect 13-3? What the F is wrong with you people? Big picture for two minutes folks. My goodness.
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  • Tical21 wrote:HEllooooooooo!! They've got a rookie QB. A 3rd round rookie QB. Did any of you expect 13-3? What the F is wrong with you people? Big picture for two minutes folks. My goodness.


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  • Tical21 wrote:HEllooooooooo!! They've got a rookie QB. A 3rd round rookie QB. Did any of you expect 13-3? What the F is wrong with you people? Big picture for two minutes folks. My goodness.


    What does a rookie QB have to do with the defense blowing leads in the 4th?
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  • I didn't think we'd be 13-3, nor do I want to count on going undefeated at home and squeaking out 1 road game a year. Feeling like we have to chock up road games as losses is unacceptable. That needs to be fixed.
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  • cesame wrote:The 6-5 record is beyond underwhelming given the schedule they've had.


    Before today's games, Seattle's strength of schedule was .500.

    To compare...

    Tampa Bay - 0.380
    Minnesota - 0.465
    Indianapolis - 0.430
    Pittsburgh - 0.450
    Chicago - 0.490
    New York Giants - 0.455
    Baltimore Ravens - 0.430
    Atlanta - 0.380
    Houston - 0.470

    What were you saying about the schedule this year?
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    cesame wrote:The 6-5 record is beyond underwhelming given the schedule they've had.


    Before today's games, Seattle's strength of schedule was .500.

    To compare...

    Tampa Bay - 0.380
    Minnesota - 0.465
    Indianapolis - 0.430
    Pittsburgh - 0.450
    Chicago - 0.490
    New York Giants - 0.455
    Baltimore Ravens - 0.430
    Atlanta - 0.380
    Houston - 0.470

    What were you saying about the schedule this year?


    Nice try.

    Seattle has played 11 games this year. The combined record of those 11 teams is 57-60. Seeing as how GB is getting blown out right now, it will probably be 57-61 after this week.

    My original statement stands and it's back up by facts.

    And you still can't defend 4 losses to teams under .500. 2 of those teams are 4-7, and the other is 4-6-1.

    That's simply not getting the job done. Period.
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  • cesame wrote:Nice try.

    Seattle has played 11 games this year. The combined record of those 11 teams is 57-60. Seeing as how GB is getting blown out right now, it will probably be 57-61 after this week.

    My original statement stands and it's back up by facts.



    And it'll probably still be a tougher schedule than most of the other teams with a winning record.

    The Seahawks have not had an easy schedule this year. That's the only 'fact' you need.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    cesame wrote:Nice try.

    Seattle has played 11 games this year. The combined record of those 11 teams is 57-60. Seeing as how GB is getting blown out right now, it will probably be 57-61 after this week.

    My original statement stands and it's back up by facts.



    And it'll probably still be a tougher schedule than most of the other teams with a winning record.

    The Seahawks have not had an easy schedule this year. That's the only 'fact' you need.


    Out of the 11 games the Seahawks have played this year, only 3 would currently make the playoffs.

    Yes, I think it's been a rather nice schedule. A schedule Pete Carroll and the Seahawks haven't taken advantage of.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Ask yourselves this Seahawks fans....

    Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?


    This team is progressing. This team is way better than last year, and the 2010 squad. Your not actually using your eyes and thoughts in coordination if you think they are not progressing.
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    Tech Worlds wrote:Ask yourselves this Seahawks fans....

    Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?


    This team is progressing. This team is way better than last year, and the 2010 squad. Your not actually using your eyes and thoughts in coordination if you think they are not progressing.


    Yea as painful as this game was, I agree progress is being made albeit slow progress.
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  • I love me some PC but for some reason i can't get behind Bevel. He has called some good games but we play too conservative. i am so sick of the playing "not to lose" mentality. Even if Pete (being a defensive guy) requests that approach the offensive coordinator needs take charge and show why he has the job. Give the head coach some confidence in your plan. I personally don't believe Pete just wants a "YES man" at OC.
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    Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

    our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

    Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.


    The bare cupboards thing is no longer valid, it's been 3 drafts and 3 free agencies since he got here. What more can we ask for? How about taking the next step. Only losers cherish losing by 3 points. A good loser is still a loser. It's a very small percentage of our group calling for heads to roll and neither am I, but I will say I am highly disappointed in Carroll's performance as well as that of the players. Hanging on to excuses that have little to no relevance to what is actually going I guess makes it easier to hide from it.

    PC and the players do not deserve idol worship but some heat from the fans is due.
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  • I personally loved watching Wilson today. He made great plays with virtually no offensive line.

    This line needs better players. Same as the d-line. Then it occurs to me that this is essentially the teams core or foundation.

    Lets keep building because our QB is going to be awesome. He make throws running most QBs dont make.
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  • Just because its not the norm that we win on the road...doesn't mean (and this is getting way ahead of ourselves) we can't go and string a few road wins together in the postseason. We don't know how this team would handle that pressure...they could thrive. You don't know.

    Any Given Sunday.

    We can't say "oh well let's not try for the playoffs because we can't win on the road"...that's garbage. Law of averages fellas...you never know when the abnormal is gonna make an appearance...its bound to happen.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Ask yourselves this Seahawks fans....

    Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?


    After today I see little evidence there is growth with the team as a whole. Obviously there is growth with a few players ie, RW. But I think the team has digressed. The penalties are back and the defense is getting run over as well as the secondary is being lit up. This looks just like the early stages of a team coming apart not coming together. Can PC turn it around? We'll see.
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  • The Seahawks have gone from 30th or 31st in weighted DVOA to top 5 in just 3 years. As long as we are one of the best teams in the NFL, they have all the patience in the world from me.

    There is no such thing as a clutch coach or a coach who could make us a 8-0 road team. The current Niners team is the only west coast team in recent memory to dominate on the road, and they are statistically the best team in the NFL over the last two seasons. Seattle is not a truly elite team yet like SF. They are close though. Seattle has played WAY better than their 1-5 road record. WAY better. I'm guessing that with average luck they've probably played at a 3-2 level, but for whatever reason they always find a way to lose in the 4th quarter. I don't think that's coaching. I think it's just shitty luck and nothing more.

    To even post this topic is unseemly. Don't give stupid people bad ideas. But to answer the question, I wouldn't cast my vote against Carroll until it's clear that the game has passed him by and he's basically like an old Al Davis. That day will come eventually, but probably not for at least 10 years.
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  • kearly wrote:The Seahawks have gone from 30th or 31st in weighted DVOA to top 5 in just 3 years. As long as we are one of the best teams in the NFL, they have all the patience in the world from me.

    There is no such thing as a clutch coach or a coach who could make us a 8-0 road team. The current Niners team is the only west coast team in recent memory to dominate on the road, and they are statistically the best team in the NFL over the last two seasons. Seattle is not a truly elite team yet like SF. They are close though. Seattle has played WAY better than their 1-5 road record. WAY better. I'm guessing that with average luck they've probably played at a 3-2 level, but for whatever reason they always find a way to lose in the 4th quarter. I don't think that's coaching. I think it's just shitty luck and nothing more.

    To even post this topic is unseemly. Don't give stupid people bad ideas. But to answer the question, I wouldn't cast my vote against Carroll until it's clear that the game has passed him by and he's basically like an old Al Davis. That day will come eventually, but probably not for at least 10 years.


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  • Wow. I am glad to know us losing is all attributed to rotten luck. We are due for a superbowl anytime now
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  • kearly wrote:The Seahawks have gone from 30th or 31st in weighted DVOA to top 5 in just 3 years. As long as we are one of the best teams in the NFL, they have all the patience in the world from me.


    The top teams in the NFL do not lose to the Cardinals, Rams and Dolphins on the road.

    I don't know where in DVOA that comes into play.

    I see what English is saying, but we're nowhere near that Giants team from a year ago right now. For one, that Giants team was actually better on the road than they were at home.
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  • Before Paul Allen fires Pete we'll see a coordinator fired. My guess is Bevel is gone after this year. Two years now and we are still very subpar on offense.
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  • I dont know man im sick of rebuilding all the time around here lately. Pete is a hell of a coach man. He is almost a defensive genius when it comes to linebackers and the secondary. But he has to look at him self in the mirror and think about the offensive side of the ball. Its ok to have a power run game if your winning. He has to open the offense more. We will see how we finish up. But if we are .500 this year and with his past records thats not going to cut it. If we end up .500 or worse I would give him one or two years and then he could go coach boston college or something.
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  • kearly wrote:I'm guessing that with average luck they've probably played at a 3-2 level, but for whatever reason they always find a way to lose in the 4th quarter. I don't think that's coaching. I think it's just shitty luck and nothing more.


    Agreed.

    The reason the NFL is "Any Given Sunday" is because many games hinge on literally a handful of critical plays. In a close game, those debatable penalties, and those astounding catches, and those unlikely plays make all the difference. If ET hadn't gotten that PF on that interception, does anyone think that wouldn't have made a difference? The Dolphins scored a TD one play later, instead of the Seahawks having the ball.

    If RW had escaped in that last play of the Seahawks' last possession, and hit a guy downfield, taking us in FG range ... does anything think that might have made a difference in the outcome? RW did exactly that for much of the game ... just not that last time.

    Does anyone really remember 2005? I remember a lot of nail-biters, many of which were won by 50+-yard FGs by Josh Brown. I remember the Giants coming in and improbably missing not one, not two, but THREE FGs which would have won it for them.

    And of course, I remember a very improbable Super Bowl that year, where the better team lost.* It happens.

    The goal, in the NFL, is to be IN the games, and to hope that you can be the beneficiary of a few improbable plays. Talent helps -- no doubt. But sometimes the ball bounces your way, and sometimes it doesn't. Undefeated teams lose to cellar dwellers. Referees decide games they shouldn't.

    We're IN the games, folks. We just aren't quite getting it done.

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  • v1rotv2 wrote:After today I see little evidence there is growth with the team as a whole. Obviously there is growth with a few players ie, RW. But I think the team has digressed. The penalties are back and the defense is getting run over as well as the secondary is being lit up. This looks just like the early stages of a team coming apart not coming together. Can PC turn it around? We'll see.


    No growth? How about this time last year we'd just gone 4-7 after a home defeat to Rex Grossman's Washington Redskins. We're 6-5, not 2-9. We're STILL in position to get a wildcard. We have one of the best young quarterbacks in the NFL. Can PC turn what around? The Miami game was a bad defeat. If we'd won, everybody would be on here today declaring how we could make a run in the post season. The hysterical response to this latest game is mind numbingly stupid.
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  • kearly wrote:The Seahawks have gone from 30th or 31st in weighted DVOA to top 5 in just 3 years. As long as we are one of the best teams in the NFL, they have all the patience in the world from me.

    There is no such thing as a clutch coach or a coach who could make us a 8-0 road team. The current Niners team is the only west coast team in recent memory to dominate on the road, and they are statistically the best team in the NFL over the last two seasons. Seattle is not a truly elite team yet like SF. They are close though. Seattle has played WAY better than their 1-5 road record. WAY better. I'm guessing that with average luck they've probably played at a 3-2 level, but for whatever reason they always find a way to lose in the 4th quarter. I don't think that's coaching. I think it's just shitty luck and nothing more.

    To even post this topic is unseemly. Don't give stupid people bad ideas. But to answer the question, I wouldn't cast my vote against Carroll until it's clear that the game has passed him by and he's basically like an old Al Davis. That day will come eventually, but probably not for at least 10 years.


    How are we one of the 5 best teams in the league? I think some of you guys look at numbers more then your eyes.

    We just got gashed in the running game yet again. How is that improvement? We currently are riding the coattails of a great start defensively which has skewed these magic numbers that you are using to judge this team.

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  • [quote="Steve2222"]We are on year three of a rebuild project and currently #6 seed in the playoffs. Why is he on the hotseat again?

    How many times has this team been blown out this year?[/quo

    Does not matter, all that matters is winning.
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  • TorontoHawk wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:We are on year three of a rebuild project and currently #6 seed in the playoffs. Why is he on the hotseat again?

    How many times has this team been blown out this year?[/quo

    Does not matter, all that matters is winning.


    No, all that matters is making the playoffs.
    It doesn't matter if you go 15-1 or 7-9 if you make the playoffs - it doesn't matter if you went 15-1 or 7-9 if you lose the first game after that.
    I'd rather be a team that's 6-5 with 5 close losses than a team that's 8-3 with 3 blowout losses.
    Close losses can be adjusted for, blowouts? Not always
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

    He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.


    Actually I thought he made a crucial rookie mistake today. Should have thrown the ball into the dirt on that blown screen to Lynch instead of actually completing the pass. That cost us some critical yards. But overall, I agree that he doesnt play like a rookie.


    It depends - do you lose a couple of yards and hope you can make them up on the next play or stop the clock and give the dolphins even more time to score?
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:I don't know if this coaching staff is the one to lead this team over that hump anymore. Could be Carroll, could be Bevell.. etc. But it's looking more and more like this team is staring a .500 season in the face - and given the talent level on both sides, that is very disappointing.

    So when does Pete Carroll hit the hot seat? 2013? The last 5 weeks if the team bottoms out? Not at all?

    Discuss.


    JSeahawks wrote:From the fans, he already is.

    From Paul Allen, I think we could lose every game the rest of this season and he will be fine. He will be evaluated on next season, imo.


    You got all that from one game? No need to look at the vast improvements from last year to this? Or the youth of the team? Just go over the edge on one last second loss (by the way each of our defeats this year have come to the last play, although the 9ers game was far more of a long shot)

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  • themunn wrote:
    TorontoHawk wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:We are on year three of a rebuild project and currently #6 seed in the playoffs. Why is he on the hotseat again?

    How many times has this team been blown out this year?[/quo

    Does not matter, all that matters is winning.


    No, all that matters is making the playoffs.
    It doesn't matter if you go 15-1 or 7-9 if you make the playoffs - it doesn't matter if you went 15-1 or 7-9 if you lose the first game after that.
    I'd rather be a team that's 6-5 with 5 close losses than a team that's 8-3 with 3 blowout losses.
    Close losses can be adjusted for, blowouts? Not always[/quo

    I would rather be 15-1 and get the buy week and home field advantage for the playoffs, so yes all that matters is winning.
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  • TorontoHawk wrote:so yes all that matters is winning.


    No... all that matters is fans going on the internet to have a moan.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    kearly wrote:The Seahawks have gone from 30th or 31st in weighted DVOA to top 5 in just 3 years. As long as we are one of the best teams in the NFL, they have all the patience in the world from me.


    The top teams in the NFL do not lose to the Cardinals, Rams and Dolphins on the road.



    How about losing to the Cardinals at home (Patriots), or nearly losing to the Rams on the road (49ers). This statement is idiotic.
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  • Next year if he doesn't make the playoffs
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
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    Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

    our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

    Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.


    All true but at some point all those great things need to lead to wins. We are looking at yet another 500 season. How many more will he get?

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