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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:18 pm 
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You mean you are now admitting that this defense isn't all that? When I said it after the lions game you and the think tank told me that it was a great game by the lions elite offense and that our defense was still dominant.



Who is this even addressed to? I don't remember passing any comment on that Lions game.

And I'm sure the 'think tank' will remember this next time the oracle speaks.


Selective memory.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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Not in any way would it be acceptable.

This is a talented team.

We are top 5 in multiple statistics on defense.

Our RB has over 1000 yards already

Our rookie QB may be pressuring the rookie QB passing TD record

The reason we have 5 losses? Because this team has mental break downs over and over. Missed assignments, dropped balls, bad play calling at crucial times, missed tackles, penalties, you name the mental lapse and we have done it in our losses. There is no good reason why we have this many losses, we should be much better than this.


Agreed with the mental lapses part. Some of those lapses could be attributed to young players - especially young LBers who need further seasoning. But yeah, in the end, that's on the coaching staff. And if the team has an off day, those lapses get magnified... I think that's what happened today. It's frustrating, because I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that we can see what kind of team this CAN be... it CAN be dominant if only they could improve execution and show some consistency - both in the way they perform on the field and the way the coaches call the game.

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Okay, so maybe that pass rush is still an issue. Lather, rinse, repeat.


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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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Oh, 8-8 would only be acceptable in Seattle. You'd deservedly get shanked if that was spouted in older football towns.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:23 pm 
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I don't know about English but there was a lot of that BS flying around after the Lions game about how they were so much better than their putrid record and how any defense would have been helpless against the onslaught of that mighty, mighty, O, and that we just ran into a buzzsaw.

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Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?


No. Neither is 9-7 frankly.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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Tech Worlds wrote:
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You mean you are now admitting that this defense isn't all that? When I said it after the lions game you and the think tank told me that it was a great game by the lions elite offense and that our defense was still dominant.



Who is this even addressed to? I don't remember passing any comment on that Lions game.

And I'm sure the 'think tank' will remember this next time the oracle speaks.


Selective memory.



I don't think so pal. I was working at the Pats/Rams Wembley bore-fest on the night of the Lions game, got home at about 2am and had to be up at 6am. Understandably, I didn't game post anything on that particular game other than to say a few days later... "You know... the Lions aren't a bad team." Which they aren't.

But hey, you said something which came to prominence a few weeks later. If only we'd all listened, perhaps we'd all be super-smart like you?


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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|

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Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|


Because we play much better at home....and find a way to win.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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volsunghawk wrote:
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Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|


Because we play much better at home....and find a way to win.


No, I agree with that. In fact, it seems like we are a completely different team at home.

I just wonder why it seems that some folks who automatically assume losses on the road based on this year's performances don't also automatically assume wins at home based on this year's performances.

They extrapolate poor play on the road to games at home, but don't extrapolate good play at home to road games. It's just a strange inconsistency, I suppose.

I think - based on the way we've played this year - that we should win our remaining home games. Yeah, the SF game is likely to be very difficult, but when teams of St. Louis and Arizona's caliber have come to Seattle this season, the Seahawks have handled them. On the flipside, I think that both of the remaining road games are likely to be losses unless something changes. They'd probably be very CLOSE losses, but until the team proves it can carry the fire with which it plays at home over to road games, I still expect them to be losses.

Of course, this team has also been screwing with people's expectations all year (both good and bad), so who knows what will happen?

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First, this question probably should've been posed tomorrow when people aren't as up in arms.

For me, it's a failure because we'll have failed out on the 'easiest' part of our schedule, and 10-6 is still doable. I dunno, anything can happen, but the margin is definitely razor thin at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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We have 5 losses right now.

As of this moment, 11-5 is acceptable.

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I'm no longer sure which team will actually show up on game day any more. The one that beat GB & NE against all odds? The one that misfired at the death against the Lions? Or the team from today?

So 8-8 out of a team that seems to have lost all sense of its identity, and with it a sense of direction?

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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Tech Worlds wrote:
If we fail to win 10 games this year Pete Carroll's job should be on the line next year. It will be win or get out.

I love Pete Carroll, and I agree with this.

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If we fail to win 10 games this year Pete Carroll's job should be on the line next year. It will be win or get out.

I love Pete Carroll, and I agree with this.


I love Pete too and God do I want him to succeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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Is it acceptable to be one win better off than 2010 and 2011? Would it be considered a failure this year? Or would you see it as progress, however minor?


I predicted 8-8 at the end of the preseason, no more, no less.

Anything less is a failure.

8-8 is slight if ever progress.

9-7 or better significant progress.

But it's all here say, team defense concerns me. :(

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Not in any way would it be acceptable.

We are top 5 in multiple statistics on defense.



That meant a lot today. :34853_doh:

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