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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:18 pm 
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You mean you are now admitting that this defense isn't all that? When I said it after the lions game you and the think tank told me that it was a great game by the lions elite offense and that our defense was still dominant.



Who is this even addressed to? I don't remember passing any comment on that Lions game.

And I'm sure the 'think tank' will remember this next time the oracle speaks.


Selective memory.

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Not in any way would it be acceptable.

This is a talented team.

We are top 5 in multiple statistics on defense.

Our RB has over 1000 yards already

Our rookie QB may be pressuring the rookie QB passing TD record

The reason we have 5 losses? Because this team has mental break downs over and over. Missed assignments, dropped balls, bad play calling at crucial times, missed tackles, penalties, you name the mental lapse and we have done it in our losses. There is no good reason why we have this many losses, we should be much better than this.


Agreed with the mental lapses part. Some of those lapses could be attributed to young players - especially young LBers who need further seasoning. But yeah, in the end, that's on the coaching staff. And if the team has an off day, those lapses get magnified... I think that's what happened today. It's frustrating, because I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that we can see what kind of team this CAN be... it CAN be dominant if only they could improve execution and show some consistency - both in the way they perform on the field and the way the coaches call the game.

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Oh, 8-8 would only be acceptable in Seattle. You'd deservedly get shanked if that was spouted in older football towns.


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I don't know about English but there was a lot of that BS flying around after the Lions game about how they were so much better than their putrid record and how any defense would have been helpless against the onslaught of that mighty, mighty, O, and that we just ran into a buzzsaw.

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Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?


No. Neither is 9-7 frankly.

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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.

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You mean you are now admitting that this defense isn't all that? When I said it after the lions game you and the think tank told me that it was a great game by the lions elite offense and that our defense was still dominant.



Who is this even addressed to? I don't remember passing any comment on that Lions game.

And I'm sure the 'think tank' will remember this next time the oracle speaks.


Selective memory.



I don't think so pal. I was working at the Pats/Rams Wembley bore-fest on the night of the Lions game, got home at about 2am and had to be up at 6am. Understandably, I didn't game post anything on that particular game other than to say a few days later... "You know... the Lions aren't a bad team." Which they aren't.

But hey, you said something which came to prominence a few weeks later. If only we'd all listened, perhaps we'd all be super-smart like you?


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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|

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We will beat Arizona, St Louis and Buffalo....9-7 is about right.

If we go 8-8 that would indeed be a disappointment.


Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|


Because we play much better at home....and find a way to win.

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Two teams that beat us and a road game? I won't take any game for granted at this point


Gotta ask...

People look at the trends and justifiably say, "I won't believe the Hawks can win on the road until they do so."

But at the same time, many of those same people refuse to say, "I won't believe the Hawks can LOSE at home until they do so."

Why is that? :|


Because we play much better at home....and find a way to win.


No, I agree with that. In fact, it seems like we are a completely different team at home.

I just wonder why it seems that some folks who automatically assume losses on the road based on this year's performances don't also automatically assume wins at home based on this year's performances.

They extrapolate poor play on the road to games at home, but don't extrapolate good play at home to road games. It's just a strange inconsistency, I suppose.

I think - based on the way we've played this year - that we should win our remaining home games. Yeah, the SF game is likely to be very difficult, but when teams of St. Louis and Arizona's caliber have come to Seattle this season, the Seahawks have handled them. On the flipside, I think that both of the remaining road games are likely to be losses unless something changes. They'd probably be very CLOSE losses, but until the team proves it can carry the fire with which it plays at home over to road games, I still expect them to be losses.

Of course, this team has also been screwing with people's expectations all year (both good and bad), so who knows what will happen?

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First, this question probably should've been posed tomorrow when people aren't as up in arms.

For me, it's a failure because we'll have failed out on the 'easiest' part of our schedule, and 10-6 is still doable. I dunno, anything can happen, but the margin is definitely razor thin at the moment.

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We have 5 losses right now.

As of this moment, 11-5 is acceptable.

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I'm no longer sure which team will actually show up on game day any more. The one that beat GB & NE against all odds? The one that misfired at the death against the Lions? Or the team from today?

So 8-8 out of a team that seems to have lost all sense of its identity, and with it a sense of direction?

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If we fail to win 10 games this year Pete Carroll's job should be on the line next year. It will be win or get out.

I love Pete Carroll, and I agree with this.

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If we fail to win 10 games this year Pete Carroll's job should be on the line next year. It will be win or get out.

I love Pete Carroll, and I agree with this.


I love Pete too and God do I want him to succeed.

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Is it acceptable to be one win better off than 2010 and 2011? Would it be considered a failure this year? Or would you see it as progress, however minor?


I predicted 8-8 at the end of the preseason, no more, no less.

Anything less is a failure.

8-8 is slight if ever progress.

9-7 or better significant progress.

But it's all here say, team defense concerns me. :(

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Not in any way would it be acceptable.

We are top 5 in multiple statistics on defense.



That meant a lot today. :34853_doh:

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Would it be acceptable? I mean, if it happens, what other choice do we have but to accept it? Mass suicide? Bomb the VMAC? We won't have to be happy about it but we'd have little choice but to accept it. Here's to hoping for better.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


C'mon man. Don't be a poosy.

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Depends on how we get to 8-8. As much as we all hate to lose the close ones, the reality is we're becoming more and more competitive. If we lost all 8 games by a TD or less (as is the case with all 5 of our losses so far), then I think Pete and Co shouldn't feel like they're on the hot seat for next year.... but if we start getting beat up (especially by division rivals—at home) then we've gotta let Pete know, next is his last if we're not putting up a new banner in the stands after 2013-14 season.

With all that said though, 10-6 is still where I think we should end up.

We'll win our division home games; yes, even the '9ers—which I know everyone here is peeing their pants about—but then we'll split Chi/Buf on the road. The best part is that Sherm and Browner will be back just in time to start our improbable dominating run through the playoffs.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


C'mon man. Don't be a poosy.


Yah....give us a break! We just got the crap kicked out of us in Miami...and you want to give us more bad news.... before it even arrives!


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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


C'mon man. Don't be a poosy.


I'm just saying with todays team we would be 8-8 with that schedule, imo.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


C'mon man. Don't be a poosy.


I'm just saying with todays team we would be 8-8 with that schedule, imo.


We would be lucky to be 8- 8.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


^ pfft, what about that schedule says 8-8 to you????

saints (h), colts (h), bucs (h), cards (h), rams (h), redskins (a), jags (a), titans (a), panthers (a) = winnable

49ers (h), cards (a), rams (a), bears or packers (h) = toss up

49ers (a), Falcons (a) = not as winnable

11 wins looks like a given if you split the 4 "toss up" games. Next year is going to be a cake walk compared to this year.

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Not really. I expect double digit wins this year, as much as 11.

Didn't read the whole thread, but I'd be quite disappointed at 8-8.

With 5 games left, they have work to do.

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8-8 Carroll is on the Hot seat, It is unacceptable but not bad enough to fire anybody but mabye the OC or DC.

I expected a 10-6 season but figured 9-7 or 11-5 were possibilities. Having beat the Packers and Patriots has raised my expectations as I know we can beat anyone in the league. It make losses to the Rams, Lions, and Dolphins sting. But I guess we fell a lot like Patriot and Packers fans felt when they lost to Seattle. Like the better team just lost.

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Is it acceptable to be one win better off than 2010 and 2011? Would it be considered a failure this year? Or would you see it as progress, however minor?


Failure. Team is too talented to be 8-8, couple this with the fact a rookie QB actually has outperformed his expectations and is seemingly getting better.. and that adds to it.

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I know it's way too early but looks like 2013 also reads 8-8.


Way, way, way too early.

Teams expected to be good will fall short of those expectations and vice versa.

But if Pete goes 8-8 this season and next, it's time to make a change

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After my initial "DAMN we suck", kick the dog, pull my hair out emotional response I take a few deep breaths and revert back to the "this was layed out as a 4 year total rebuild plan" thought process. We are 75% done and we all get our hopes up so high for playoff chances and some nice performances. I think we still have some great (and pathetic) football yet to play this year as we roller coaster our way thru the ups and downs of a young team still learning and missing a couple pieces.

To answer your question: To me it is more about developing better chemistry, the Oline gelling better, and figuring some way to fix our recently exposed defensive flaws. I would hope to see us closer to the 10 win mark as a win/loss mark of progress but I am more interested in how we get there rather than the end result at this point in time.

One think I would like to see changed is pulling some of the stops out offensively and "playing to win" the game rather than the "playing not to lose" feel our games (especially on the road) seem to have to them. Sometimes you just need to gamble and I think we need to start thinking more along those lines now.



A well thought out post. It seems that you are dissapointed but not ready to fire everyone and
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Is it acceptable to be one win better off than 2010 and 2011? Would it be considered a failure this year? Or would you see it as progress, however minor?


Failure. Team is too talented to be 8-8, couple this with the fact a rookie QB actually has outperformed his expectations and is seemingly getting better.. and that adds to it.


You are kidding yourself if you think that this team isn't being built to be successful within the framework of the system that pc and js are constructing. This team is not talented outside of the situational roles that each player is selected to fill. This isn't a "fire Singeltary, hire Harbaugh" situation. We get rid of Pete and JS we are starting over. It is crucial that we ride this season AMD next out. We are on an upward trajectory, and not having the patience to ride it out could mean another five years of crap play.


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Yes....8-8 would be 'acceptable' as an indicator that we need to hire Gruden as HC to bring some discipline to this team and move Pete to the FO with Snyder


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After beating some very good teams to start the year, I feel that anything less then 10 wins is a huge disappointment and reeks of underachieving.

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Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?


No. Neither is 9-7 frankly.

This. Sick to freakin' death of mediocrity, excuses, "we're gonna fix the defensive problems" and then it doesn't happen, rebuilding plans, endless losses on the road and undisciplined play. I want to finally see this franchise become regularly good to excellent and MAINTAIN it. For the first time, I am beginning to question whether Pete Carroll is the guy to FINALLY bring consistent excellence to this franchise. No, I don't think it's time to fire him. I believe next year and the year after are necessary to be absolutely sure he's been given every opportunity to win here. But, as mentioned I am beginning to doubt that will ever happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:10 am 
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I said with a rookie qb at the helm 500 is likely. Given the easy the defense has played of late I would say lucky. Doesn't mean I like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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End of season scenarios:

6-10 = EPIC Fail! — Scrap the entire experiment and start fresh.
7-9 = WTF?! — Pete's in a seat so hot that a weak preseason should get him fired.
8-8 = Lots of questions — Pete gets a one-year pass and should only be allowed to stay one more after that if we're in the playoffs and win a game in 2013.
9-7 No Playoffs = Weak. Same as above as far as Pete's concerned. We should win more the following year or we need to start moving on...
9-7 Playoffs = Fwhew...! Pete's off the hot seat for the next year, but progress still needs to be made.
10-6 = YAY! The team winning 5 of it's last 6 games would be awesome. Renewed faith all around and Pete can rest easy knowing he's built a solid team that will compete for a long time.
11-5 = OMG NO WAY! Amazing finish to the season, everyone loves Pete and we go back to remembering that team from Miami as the team that got it's mascot stolen and Ace Ventura had to get him back.

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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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I think 9-7 would be a step forward -afterall it would be 2 more wins than the last 2 years. That's progress no matter how you at it. However, I with everyone else expected so much more, the 2 most painful losses have been the Lions, and Dolphins. Just as last year the Washington and Cleveland losses were horrific.

I expense 9 wins, hope for 10 and would be absolutely amazed at 11 wins. Yesterday's loss makes our margin for error very slim.


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 Post subject: Re: Would 8-8 be acceptable for this team?
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8-8 would not be acceptable to me. But really whenever our Hawks have any type of expectations they always find some way to disappoint us. I mean the year we went to the Superbowl, many were actually expecting a down year for us. Maybe we should keep our expectations low from now on and than they will start having success.

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