seahawksfanatic000 wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. How many players are left from our Super Bowl season? 2?
seahawksfanatic000 wrote:Can Russ be succesful as a big numbers QB? Can he handle getting 40 throws in a game that we fall behind/ lynch hurt? He wins games as a point guard qb but can he still be good when we don't have a stellar defense to rely on. I believe he would be able to do it, but we would need one more dominant receiver to help him out. I'm also not saying this is likely to happen this season or next, but if he is our QBOTF, he probably won't have as good of a defense and run game as he has now. He might have to step into a pass happy offense when he matures. How do you think he will handle it?
RichNhansom wrote:Would Luck have been able to put up 14 come from behind points in the Pats game?
SacHawk2.0 wrote:I don't know, those first couple of Patriot Super Bowl teams were build more like our current team than their current team. In those days TFB didn't pass anywhere near as much as they do now and they had both a power running game and a very stout defense. So it's entirely possible that this team changes over the years to a more pass oriented one.
impacthawk wrote:My dad and I just had this discussion on Thanksgiving. We like everything we have seen from the young QB who is having one of the best rookie campaigns in history....by way of efficiency. Sooner or later however, we are going to run into a team in the regular season....or more likely in the playoffs, whose intent is to stop our running game at any cost. The cost is to put the game on Wilson's shoulders and make him beat you. To me, this is really the only true test that Wilson still needs to have. One of the main variables to this test however, is that our Offensive Line is built to suit the running game and not built to secure a pocket for 4-5 seconds consistently for an entire game.
So the conclusion that my dad and I came up with is this: We were in 100% agreement that if our line was built first and four most for pass protection, Russell Wilson would have a field day. If the kid has time to throw, he can and will pick you apart. So with that said, with our current make up on the O-line, having to pass our way to a win can be successful, but will rely on moving the pocket around for Wilson to find his passing lanes. It will also rely on Wilson to scramble outside more than the average. This is good and bad. Big plays may result, but he is also vulnerable to a big hit and injury.
I do want to see him go and win a game for us by throwing 45 balls and 400 yards. The only way this happens is that we are playing from a couple of td's behind. Heck, the kid's a winner. Something tells me he will find a way to win, no matter the circumstances.
hawksfan515 wrote:impacthawk wrote:My dad and I just had this discussion on Thanksgiving. We like everything we have seen from the young QB who is having one of the best rookie campaigns in history....by way of efficiency. Sooner or later however, we are going to run into a team in the regular season....or more likely in the playoffs, whose intent is to stop our running game at any cost. The cost is to put the game on Wilson's shoulders and make him beat you. To me, this is really the only true test that Wilson still needs to have. One of the main variables to this test however, is that our Offensive Line is built to suit the running game and not built to secure a pocket for 4-5 seconds consistently for an entire game.
So the conclusion that my dad and I came up with is this: We were in 100% agreement that if our line was built first and four most for pass protection, Russell Wilson would have a field day. If the kid has time to throw, he can and will pick you apart. So with that said, with our current make up on the O-line, having to pass our way to a win can be successful, but will rely on moving the pocket around for Wilson to find his passing lanes. It will also rely on Wilson to scramble outside more than the average. This is good and bad. Big plays may result, but he is also vulnerable to a big hit and injury.
I do want to see him go and win a game for us by throwing 45 balls and 400 yards. The only way this happens is that we are playing from a couple of td's behind. Heck, the kid's a winner. Something tells me he will find a way to win, no matter the circumstances.
Pats game. Russ balled when Lynch got nothing on his runs. Finished with 15 carries for 41 yards, long of 7.
Largent80 wrote:Teams that pass 40 times a game are usually losing. He is a rookie doing a fantastic job.
-The Glove- wrote:Largent80 wrote:Teams that pass 40 times a game are usually losing. He is a rookie doing a fantastic job.
You mean like the Patriots and Packers?
RichNhansom wrote:Wow, of course he could do it if our O-line was holding for 4-5 seconds on every play and opening throwing lanes on every down but so could Ryan Leaf and Jamaecuss Russell. That O-line play your complaining about is mostly the fault of the guy holding the ball longer than any QB in the NFL.
Quote: "Of course Wilson can carry the load and throw 40+ times a game and win! Did anyone watch his college games? The kid is a gunslinger, through and through!"
Well then yes, I want him to. Who wouldn't? Unless of course there is a difference between college and the NFL. Naw that's just dumb talk. Of course there is no difference and that is why every good college QB has been ridiculously successful at the NFL level. Right???
Keep in mind I am not bashing Wilson here, I am bashing the guys who apparently believe he is already at his peak based on college performance or because his boneheaded team/ coordinator is slowing him down. The guy has played admirably in ten games. Made a ton of rookie mistakes and also shown some flashes of brilliance but it is probably fair to say he is not "YET" the best QB to ever touch a football.
It's OK to like him without wanting to swallow his unborn children.
Scottemojo wrote:RichNhansom wrote:Wow, of course he could do it if our O-line was holding for 4-5 seconds on every play and opening throwing lanes on every down but so could Ryan Leaf and Jamaecuss Russell. That O-line play your complaining about is mostly the fault of the guy holding the ball longer than any QB in the NFL.
Quote: "Of course Wilson can carry the load and throw 40+ times a game and win! Did anyone watch his college games? The kid is a gunslinger, through and through!"
Well then yes, I want him to. Who wouldn't? Unless of course there is a difference between college and the NFL. Naw that's just dumb talk. Of course there is no difference and that is why every good college QB has been ridiculously successful at the NFL level. Right???
Keep in mind I am not bashing Wilson here, I am bashing the guys who apparently believe he is already at his peak based on college performance or because his boneheaded team/ coordinator is slowing him down. The guy has played admirably in ten games. Made a ton of rookie mistakes and also shown some flashes of brilliance but it is probably fair to say he is not "YET" the best QB to ever touch a football.
It's OK to like him without wanting to swallow his unborn children.
That is the second time I have seen that line from you. Who are you, Mike Tyson?
Wait a tic, I get it. You mean pre-conception! ewwwwwwwwww!
The rest of your post wasn't any fun to read. Maybe you sat on your keys when you logged on today, and the discomfort made you crabby. I have no idea who you are arguing with when you argue against him being the best QB to ever touch a football. I guess if you wanted to argue the college stuff, Russell carried his team at the end of games at the highest level of college competition, and since he has not had a 40 throw game in the Pros, that is all we have to go on. He didn't do it running some funky spread either, he did it throwing to very average college receivers in an offensive system that has some similarities to the Seahawks offense.
And who said Russell is already at his peak?
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