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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:38 am
  • I have to disagree with the premise that Tate is not as important to the team. His play this year has been outstanding, minus a couple of drops. It looks to me like RW is relying on him to help move the offense. The evidence for me was that first touchdown pass in the Jets game. RW threw it to him despite Tate being covered and sure enough Tate went up and got it. In the third qtr. of that game Tate got a critical first down that by all accounts should not have happened. The guy, in my opinion, is equally if not more important to the offense than Rice only in a different way. Now this is a big statement from me as I was done with Tate early last year. He was immature, not focused and a screw up. But he gets it now and is doing some great stuff.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:40 am
  • ^Amen. Tate is super important to the offense. I'm a huge fan of what he brings. I wouldn't even think about parting ways with him at this point (unless he demands a totally stupid contract extension that is.)
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:47 am
  • Optimism is fun and all, but I think you guys are crazy if you think its likely that Kam, Sherman, or Browner would be willing to give a hometown discount. Remember that they were all low picks / undrafted, making small money in comparison to their production. They have all vastly outplayed their contracts, and the price is probably just going to keep going up. This is a business, and they all have a limited window to make as much money as they can.

    It is nice to imagine a world where these NFL players put winning and staying together ahead of dollars, but trust me, those three are ready to get PAID after being some of the biggest bargains in the NFL. Typically, your second contract is the biggest one you get, and I would expect all of these guys to get every dollar they can, as they should.

    Unfortunately, that very well may mean we cannot keep them all. Enjoy the Legion of Boom while it lasts. Don't take it for granted
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:57 am
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Optimism is fun and all, but I think you guys are crazy if you think its likely that Kam, Sherman, or Browner would be willing to give a hometown discount. Remember that they were all low picks / undrafted, making small money in comparison to their production. They have all vastly outplayed their contracts, and the price is probably just going to keep going up. This is a business, and they all have a limited window to make as much money as they can.

    It is nice to imagine a world where these NFL players put winning and staying together ahead of dollars, but trust me, those three are ready to get PAID after being some of the biggest bargains in the NFL. Typically, your second contract is the biggest one you get, and I would expect all of these guys to get every dollar they can, as they should.

    Unfortunately, that very well may mean we cannot keep them all. Enjoy the Legion of Boom while it lasts. Don't take it for granted


    I think it depends on the theoretical discount we're talking about.

    Hypothetical example, does Sherman leave a 4-year, $46 million contract with $30 million guaranteed from Seattle on the table so he can go join the Jaguars for a 4-year, $49 million contract with $31 million guaranteed? The difference is minor overall, but he's got a shot at a championship with the smaller deal and a whole lot of losing ahead with the bigger one. Do you think that would be enough for him to take that "discounted" deal?
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:00 am
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Optimism is fun and all, but I think you guys are crazy if you think its likely that Kam, Sherman, or Browner would be willing to give a hometown discount. Remember that they were all low picks / undrafted, making small money in comparison to their production. They have all vastly outplayed their contracts, and the price is probably just going to keep going up. This is a business, and they all have a limited window to make as much money as they can.

    It is nice to imagine a world where these NFL players put winning and staying together ahead of dollars, but trust me, those three are ready to get PAID after being some of the biggest bargains in the NFL. Typically, your second contract is the biggest one you get, and I would expect all of these guys to get every dollar they can, as they should.

    Unfortunately, that very well may mean we cannot keep them all. Enjoy the Legion of Boom while it lasts. Don't take it for granted


    I don't think anyone is suggesting Sherm would take a contract for $3m/yr when he could otherwise get $9m, but if he takes $8.25m he'll still be dirty rich. And if ET takes a similar small cut, perhaps that little bit compounded means the Hawks have enough room to re-up Kam for a couple of years and keep the band together.

    Guys take discounts to play closer to home, play in sunny climates, play for the team they cheered for as kids, heck play for teams with the cool uniforms; so it's not entirely ridiculous to believe that guys might take a little discount to stick together as a group and continue to dominate (and still be dirty rich).
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:22 am
  • Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet but, Russell Wilson should be on that list too. If he becomes what most of us think he'll become and he's playing in a probowl 2 or 3 years down the line and collecting a 3rd round players salary he's definatly going to want to renegotiate. I dont know this for a fact but I would guess that he's the lowest paid starting QB in the league by a landslide.

    Its going to suck that we'll have to lose some really good players for financial reasons but I'll choose to look at the positive side of it. The fact that most of our best players are drastically underpaid just proves how great Carroll and Schneider are at finding underrated talent. So the same skill that helped get us into this problem is the same skill that will help replenish the roster and keep us competetive when we have to let some of these guys walk.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:33 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet but, Russell Wilson should be on that list too. If he becomes what most of us think he'll become and he's playing in a probowl 2 or 3 years down the line and collecting a 3rd round players salary he's definatly going to want to renegotiate. I dont know this for a fact but I would guess that he's the lowest paid starting QB in the league by a landslide.

    Its going to suck that we'll have to lose some really good players for financial reasons but I'll choose to look at the positive side of it. The fact that most of our best players are drastically underpaid just proves how great Carroll and Schneider are at finding underrated talent. So the same skill that helped get us into this problem is the same skill that will help replenish the roster and keep us competetive when we have to let some of these guys walk.


    I thought of adding him - but he is in the follow-on wave after our "older" guys. He's signed through 2015 so we will have to deal with the other guys before we get to him.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:44 am
  • CANHawk wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:Optimism is fun and all, but I think you guys are crazy if you think its likely that Kam, Sherman, or Browner would be willing to give a hometown discount. Remember that they were all low picks / undrafted, making small money in comparison to their production. They have all vastly outplayed their contracts, and the price is probably just going to keep going up. This is a business, and they all have a limited window to make as much money as they can.

    It is nice to imagine a world where these NFL players put winning and staying together ahead of dollars, but trust me, those three are ready to get PAID after being some of the biggest bargains in the NFL. Typically, your second contract is the biggest one you get, and I would expect all of these guys to get every dollar they can, as they should.

    Unfortunately, that very well may mean we cannot keep them all. Enjoy the Legion of Boom while it lasts. Don't take it for granted


    I don't think anyone is suggesting Sherm would take a contract for $3m/yr when he could otherwise get $9m, but if he takes $8.25m he'll still be dirty rich. And if ET takes a similar small cut, perhaps that little bit compounded means the Hawks have enough room to re-up Kam for a couple of years and keep the band together.

    Guys take discounts to play closer to home, play in sunny climates, play for the team they cheered for as kids, heck play for teams with the cool uniforms; so it's not entirely ridiculous to believe that guys might take a little discount to stick together as a group and continue to dominate (and still be dirty rich).


    I hope so man. Don't get me wrong, I really like them all and want them here for their whole careers. Maybe its workable, but there has got to be plenty of cash left over for everyone else on the team too. I mean, arguably, all 4 members of our secondary could end up earning top 5 money at their positions (maybe not Browner but he will still need a big raise). They are that awesome. Would that be workable? I'm not a cap expert so I don't know, but it sure doesn't sound too appealing. I like having good players on offense too :?
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:49 am
  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet but, Russell Wilson should be on that list too. If he becomes what most of us think he'll become and he's playing in a probowl 2 or 3 years down the line and collecting a 3rd round players salary he's definatly going to want to renegotiate. I dont know this for a fact but I would guess that he's the lowest paid starting QB in the league by a landslide.

    Its going to suck that we'll have to lose some really good players for financial reasons but I'll choose to look at the positive side of it. The fact that most of our best players are drastically underpaid just proves how great Carroll and Schneider are at finding underrated talent. So the same skill that helped get us into this problem is the same skill that will help replenish the roster and keep us competetive when we have to let some of these guys walk.


    I thought of adding him - but he is in the follow-on wave after our "older" guys. He's signed through 2015 so we will have to deal with the other guys before we get to him.


    I dont think he'll make it to the end of his contract though. I dont think he'd be the type who will get into a nasty holdout situation or anything, but I wouldnt be surprised if our front office were the ones to push for a new contract just to keep him happy and around. I see this happening as soon as after next season if he proves he can avoid the sophomore slump and still be a good quarterback after teams have a year to prepare for him.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:50 am
  • The good news about this, is that we have quite a bit of cap flexibility. Right now we are, I believe, around $15.5 million under the cap. This includes all the contracts from the players mentioned above. Bonuses are structured to last over the length of the contract, so they can be spread out. If the players want to come back and the front office wants them back, we can get the deals done.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:53 am
  • kidhawk wrote:The good news about this, is that we have quite a bit of cap flexibility. Right now we are, I believe, around $15.5 million under the cap. This includes all the contracts from the players mentioned above. Bonuses are structured to last over the length of the contract, so they can be spread out. If the players want to come back and the front office wants them back, we can get the deals done.



    What is the cap again? $121 million?
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:01 pm
  • I thought the new CBA removed the option for 1st contract players to re-negotiate their contract? I also thought there were some ways to reward those lower round players that out-performed their contracts but it didn't kick in until after their 2nd year? I guess we will find out with Sherman and maybe Chancellor (he signed under the old CBA) soon?
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:03 pm
  • FlyingGreg wrote:
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    Earl Thomas
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    Kam Chancellor
    KJ Wright
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    Golden Tate
    Jason Jones
    Alan Branch


    The first 5, to me, are the identity of the team and are critical to keep. The last three I like, but I don't see them as critical in growing the team. Golden is coming into his own, but I think there are rookies in the draft that can be had to replicate what he gives us, and the same with Branch and Jones. Does that mean I want to jettison them? No, I would love to have long-term relationships for them here. I just know I won't lose sleep if we can't keep them. I don't feel that way about the Legion of Boom, however.


    Yep. Plus we need to consider that we are most likely going to add a WR/TE in the 1st round come April.

    Not so sure that Tate would be so easily replaced, as we all know what happens when continuety gets interrupted, he seems to have made a lot of progress from his first Year, + I would want to know what his asking $ is, and what the other teams are willing to pay for his services before letting him walk.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:10 pm
  • drdiags wrote:I thought the new CBA removed the option for 1st contract players to re-negotiate their contract? I also thought there were some ways to reward those lower round players that out-performed their contracts but it didn't kick in until after their 2nd year? I guess we will find out with Sherman and maybe Chancellor (he signed under the old CBA) soon?


    I think Sherman is part of the new CBA, which means his contract cannot be renegotiated until the end of his contract?
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:11 pm
  • I think Tate could be kept for a bag of doughnuts...just sayin'... :mrgreen:
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:12 pm
  • Good info on cap stuffs here: http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/FAQ.aspx

    And yeah, I think we'll be okay. We'll no doubt have some tough decisions to make and have to say goodbye to some really good guys who might end up leaving town, but the core will remain intact and no doubt more diamonds in the rough will be found to replace them after they leave (actually, I think the trend will be for diamonds in the rough to already be in the house when we decide to part ways with guys). Just think; we stand to actually be one of those teams that gets a player's best years for a good price as opposed to being the team that constantly overpays for one guy who's starting to decline.

    This is a phenomenal problem to have (for once). Like how we have two potential starting quarterbacks... oh woe is us, which one do we start..? ;)
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:13 pm
  • drdiags wrote:I thought the new CBA removed the option for 1st contract players to re-negotiate their contract? I also thought there were some ways to reward those lower round players that out-performed their contracts but it didn't kick in until after their 2nd year? I guess we will find out with Sherman and maybe Chancellor (he signed under the old CBA) soon?


    Yeah I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but all the rookies (including Browner) are forbidden by the new CBA to renegotiate their contracts or sign any extension for the first 3 years of their deal. I believe that increases to 4 years for first round picks (Irvin). We can forget about signing Sherman or Wilson to long term extensions for a couple more years. That isn't possible.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:19 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:
    drdiags wrote:I thought the new CBA removed the option for 1st contract players to re-negotiate their contract? I also thought there were some ways to reward those lower round players that out-performed their contracts but it didn't kick in until after their 2nd year? I guess we will find out with Sherman and maybe Chancellor (he signed under the old CBA) soon?


    Yeah I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but all the rookies (including Browner) are forbidden by the new CBA to renegotiate their contracts or sign any extension for the first 3 years of their deal. I believe that increases to 4 years for first round picks (Irvin). We can forget about signing Sherman or Wilson to long term extensions for a couple more years. That isn't possible.


    You sure Browner's in there? He wasn't technically a rookie last year on account of the fact he signed a training camp contract with Denver way back in 05 and spent the whole year on their IR list b/c of a broken arm (thanks Wikipedia).
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:27 pm
  • I like Browner more than Sherm, but we got to keep ALL FOUR of our secondary. It would be a disaster if we lost any of them.
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:30 pm
  • Looking at that CBA link, which appears to take the new CBA into account, I am not sure anymore about Rookie contracts. If the Cap Guru is correct, a rookie contract can be re-negotiated a year after it is signed. Hmmm. Not what I remember reading/hearing. Old age stinks!
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Re: Exciting times ... BUT (Fiscal Cliff?)
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:31 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:
    drdiags wrote:I thought the new CBA removed the option for 1st contract players to re-negotiate their contract? I also thought there were some ways to reward those lower round players that out-performed their contracts but it didn't kick in until after their 2nd year? I guess we will find out with Sherman and maybe Chancellor (he signed under the old CBA) soon?


    Yeah I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet but all the rookies (including Browner) are forbidden by the new CBA to renegotiate their contracts or sign any extension for the first 3 years of their deal. I believe that increases to 4 years for first round picks (Irvin). We can forget about signing Sherman or Wilson to long term extensions for a couple more years. That isn't possible.


    Thanks Guys ....... I didn't want to be the one to inject those realities into this discussion. Much appreciated!
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  • This thread is a perfect example as to why you don't "play for the future," you have to play for now because you don't know what the team will look like in the future.

    Obviously Carroll and Schneider have put together a fantastic young team (I think the 2nd or 3rd youngest in the league?). But the downside is all the great young players are going to all want to get paid in the future.

    PS. Don't forget Wilson on your list of players. Can't tell me his agent isn't going to want to restructure his contract in 2014, or maybe even 2013 if all goes well and we make the playoffs.
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  • Earl Thomas
    Richard Sherman
    Kam Chancellor
    KJ Wright
    Brandon Browner
    Golden Tate
    Jason Jones
    Doug Baldwin
    Alan Branch


    ET- give him market value for a top 3 FS in the league. No problem.
    Sherman- Give him market value for top 5 CB in the league. No problem.
    Wright- We will resign at a thrifty price of 4-5 M for 5 years.
    Browner- We'll have to see what happens with him. He is actually quite a bit older already, and we may be able to find someone who can fill that spot should Browner's demands be high. I'm not guessing more than 3.5M per for 2 years.
    Tate- He's played well, but his value is still relatively low.
    Jones- Ultimately I think we probably only resigned one of him or Branch, and Scruggs looks to be a cheaper, yet serviceable player.
    Baldwin- Market value for him will be low. A WR specialist who doesn't play every down.
    Branch- I think we will resign him for about what he makes now.

    It's a good issue to be talking about but Schneider is about as thrifty as a...well I won't finish that as I don't want to offend anyone.
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  • Seems to me that some of the Green Bay veteran players restructure their contracts so the majority of the team can stay together. Pete and John are very "savy" and I have confidence that they have the ability to hold the majority of this team together in the coming years. Granted, there are some player agents who have the reputation of being "bad asses" to work with. Seems that I remember a former punter who wanted to play "hard ball". I, for one, am not going to get "hot and bothered" over the impending contracts....that's John's job...and he is paid well to do it.

    Those of my fellow posters who think that their rhetoric here will affect the make up of the team....might want to think twice. :roll:
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  • CANHawk wrote:^Amen. Tate is super important to the offense. I'm a huge fan of what he brings. I wouldn't even think about parting ways with him at this point (unless he demands a totally stupid contract extension that is.)


    What you have to ask is...could a cheaper rookie do his job? That's it...it's a bidness, and I waod say that any number of 4-7 draft picks can do what he does...and get separation as well on a consistent basis.

    Had a great year..but replaceable

    In fact I could argue that a faster taller version I him could do more!
    And cheaper mid round pick with a chip on his shoulder fighting for veteran contract
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    PS. Don't forget Wilson on your list of players. Can't tell me his agent isn't going to want to restructure his contract in 2014, or maybe even 2013 if all goes well and we make the playoffs.


    As has been mentioned several times in this thread, Wilson can't renegotiate his contract due to the CBA.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    PS. Don't forget Wilson on your list of players. Can't tell me his agent isn't going to want to restructure his contract in 2014, or maybe even 2013 if all goes well and we make the playoffs.


    As has been mentioned several times in this thread, Wilson can't renegotiate his contract due to the CBA.


    The new CBA states that rookies picked between the 2nd and 7th rounds can either re-negotiate or ask for free agency after their four years are up. Which one do you think Wilson and his agent will do? Personally I think he will ask to have his contract re-negotiated to be in line with being an NFL starter. Thus my point is still valid.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    PS. Don't forget Wilson on your list of players. Can't tell me his agent isn't going to want to restructure his contract in 2014, or maybe even 2013 if all goes well and we make the playoffs.


    As has been mentioned several times in this thread, Wilson can't renegotiate his contract due to the CBA.


    The new CBA states that rookies picked between the 2nd and 7th rounds can either re-negotiate or ask for free agency after their four years are up. Which one do you think Wilson and his agent will do? Personally I think he will ask to have his contract re-negotiated to be in line with being an NFL starter. Thus my point is still valid.


    Apparently you have poor addition skills, then. 4 years from 2012 is 2016. So I'm not sure how your point is still valid.
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  • zayden185 wrote:
    CANHawk wrote:^Amen. Tate is super important to the offense. I'm a huge fan of what he brings. I wouldn't even think about parting ways with him at this point (unless he demands a totally stupid contract extension that is.)


    What you have to ask is...could a cheaper rookie do his job? That's it...it's a bidness, and I waod say that any number of 4-7 draft picks can do what he does...and get separation as well on a consistent basis.

    Had a great year..but replaceable

    In fact I could argue that a faster taller version I him could do more!
    And cheaper mid round pick with a chip on his shoulder fighting for veteran contract


    Well that may be true but... look at the year Tate was drafted. 22 wide recievers were drafted after Tate in 2010 and maybe only 2 or 3 have contributed more than Golden Tate has; Mike Williams TB 3rd round, Eric Decker DEN 3rd and Antonio Brown PIT 6th. That means every one of those 4-7 round picks that you claim "can do what he does" and be cut out to be our #2 WR all flopped save for one (Antonio Brown - and the one that did hit was a total fluke pick that played Div 1 for Central Michigan that nobody saw coming).

    Might we be able to draft a WR who can do what Tate does? More than likely. If we did draft a replacement #2 WR and let Tate walk, would that guy come from the 4-7th round? Maaaaaaaybe (but probably not). And if we did draft "some guy" from the 4-7th round to replace Tate, would he be as productive as Tate is now right away? Very likely no.

    A bird in the hand, yadda yadda yadda...

    Tate has admittedly taken a long time to prove he was worth that 2nd round pick (that was almost a 3rd round pick), but he's now proven that at the very least his floor is that of a #2 WR in this league. The guy is young (24) and still very much improving. I still can see the potential of Steve Smith or Percey Harvin level production out of this guy. To just let him go because "some guy" might be able to do kinda what he does but only cheaper would be a mistake.

    I seriously don't get the Tate hate around here sometimes. Kid is a baller and we're lucky to have him.
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  • Regarding Browner..we have Walter Thurmond III, who beat out Sherm. And I can't wait for his return tbh.
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  • Big Play Browner aint going anywhere . well atleast I hope not.

    I remember reports saying he was holding out last year , but He talk to Pete/JS and will be expecting a raise come this offseason.

    I wouldn't be mad or surprised if he signed a 4 year/22-28 mill contract this upcoming offseason.
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  • Let's not forget one minor detail. Knock on wood, but I'm betting at least one of those players on the list (besides Jones) gets an injury during their final contract year, which will bring their value down. From the way they play, it's bound to happen.

    Regarding Tate, if he continues to play like he's playing now, he's worth a solid #2 WR contract.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Apparently you have poor addition skills, then. 4 years from 2012 is 2016. So I'm not sure how your point is still valid.


    Here's the CBA sentence we're talking about;

    "For those players taken in the second through seventh rounds, they can sign only four-year contracts. If they become great players, the clubs can renegotiate with them or they can file for free agency after four years. Plus, there are now better guarantees against career-ending injuries in this agreement."


    So does "if they can become great players the clubs can renegotiate with them" sentence mean the renegotiation can happen PRIOR to the four years being up? Cause that's how I read it, or else why would it be renegotiating?
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Apparently you have poor addition skills, then. 4 years from 2012 is 2016. So I'm not sure how your point is still valid.


    Here's the CBA sentence we're talking about;

    "For those players taken in the second through seventh rounds, they can sign only four-year contracts. If they become great players, the clubs can renegotiate with them or they can file for free agency after four years. Plus, there are now better guarantees against career-ending injuries in this agreement."


    So does "if they can become great players the clubs can renegotiate with them" sentence mean the renegotiation can happen PRIOR to the four years being up? Cause that's how I read it, or else why would it be renegotiating?


    I'm not seeing anything that sounds like what a CBA Lawyer would write.

    I will, however, provide you a link to a layman's explanation for your consideration.

    All rookie contracts have a pre-determined length that the team and player can not deviate from: all draft picks sign 4-year contracts. All undrafted free agents sign 3-year contracts. In addition there is a 5th-year option on 1st round pick contracts that the club can choose to pick up. For picks 1-10, the cost of this option will be equal to the average of the top 10 salaries at the player's position in the prior year. For other 1st round picks, the cost is the average of the 3rd to 25th top salaries at the player's position.
    Per article 7 section 3k, a drafted rookie's contract may not be altered, renegotiated or extended until the final regular season game of his 3rd NFL season. An undrafted rookie's contract may similarly not be touched until the final regular season game of his 2nd NFL season. Since we renegotiated Aaron Curry before the end of his 3rd season, I think contracts from the previous CBA period remain under the old rules, which stipulated no renegotiation until the end of the 2nd year.


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  • This topic is exactly why I said during the preseason that Seattle's Superbowl window could potentially be the widest in 2012 and 2013, before a deluge of pro-bowl players hit their first free agency.

    Here's the good news: players that re-sign with their teams generally accept contracts that are slightly lower cost and more team friendly. More good news- some of our best players are very humble (especially Sherman and Thomas)- I don't see them as being contract diva's telling the media that the Seahawks "had better come correct" in contract negotiations. It is far better to build a team out of your own free agents than from other teams, because you already know how good they will play for you and they usually sign back for a hometown discount of some size. This is a good problem to have.

    The bad news is that barring a huge increase in the salary cap, we're probably going to see some talented Seahawks walk away over the next few years. Jason Jones, Alan Branch, maybe even Kam Chancellor and probably Brandon Browner. I don't see Sherman or Thomas going anywhere. Seattle will obviously franchise if it comes to that.

    On the bright side, if we lose quality players with pro-bowls on their resumes, we'll likely get comp picks in return. It seems like Pittsburgh and Green Bay have 2-4 comp picks every year. If we lose Chancellor, there is a pretty good chance we'd get the maximum (late 3rd round) pick as compensation, which would be more than the team spent to acquire Chancellor in the first place.

    So yeah, the team will probably never have more talent per dollar than it has right now, but if JS manages things right, it should only barely drop off assuming that he can keep churning out 2-3 good players every year in the draft.
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  • As much as I hate to say this.... Pete and JS have shown they can draft on defense very well, so i woudn't be suprised if they keep taking shots at drafting db's every draft and if they hit on one then they might not be so eager to pay Sherman 10 mil a year. Also if they have to chose between Kam and Earl, I think its a no brainer, you got to go with Earl.
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  • taz291819 wrote:Let's not forget one minor detail. Knock on wood, but I'm betting at least one of those players on the list (besides Jones) gets an injury during their final contract year, which will bring their value down. From the way they play, it's bound to happen.

    Regarding Tate, if he continues to play like he's playing now, he's worth a solid #2 WR contract.



    you would bet that one of our young stars gets hurt? :141847_bnono:

    I would resign Tate , but no more then 4m a year
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  • EastCoastHawksFan wrote:
    taz291819 wrote:Let's not forget one minor detail. Knock on wood, but I'm betting at least one of those players on the list (besides Jones) gets an injury during their final contract year, which will bring their value down. From the way they play, it's bound to happen.

    Regarding Tate, if he continues to play like he's playing now, he's worth a solid #2 WR contract.



    you would bet that one of our young stars gets hurt? :141847_bnono:

    I would resign Tate , but no more then 4m a year


    Sorry man, just being realistic. With the way they play and hit, the odds are against them.

    And $4m/year for Tate is about right.
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  • My best guess...we will see some more extensions before the season is out. The FO knows whats coming their way and I'm sure they will do what ever it takes to make sure things sit pretty for a while.
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  • Seeker wrote:Paul Allen.


    I know he's rich and all, but exactly how does that help us against the cap?
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  • BobcatHawk wrote:
    Seeker wrote:Paul Allen.


    I know he's rich and all, but exactly how does that help us against the cap?

    He'll buy the 31 other teams and refuse to sign any Seahawks..?
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  • CANHawk wrote:
    BobcatHawk wrote:
    Seeker wrote:Paul Allen.


    I know he's rich and all, but exactly how does that help us against the cap?

    He'll buy the 31 other teams and refuse to sign any Seahawks..?


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  • With regards to drafting players to replace future free agents, we should keep in mind that Pete has said that the advantage he's had as a former college coach will eventually dwindle. Now I do think we still have a great scouting staff, including our own John Schneider, but we should not automatically assume that Pete and John will continue to find these diamonds in the rough to the same degree they have thus far.
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  • MLOhawks wrote:I like Browner more than Sherm, but we got to keep ALL FOUR of our secondary. It would be a disaster if we lost any of them.


    your kidding right? You'd prefer the guy with more penalties and less passes defended? I like Browner too, but his age makes him expendable to me. He'll be 30 soon and he's not exactly blazing fast. 2 me Earl and Sherman are the 2 most important players in the secondary.
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  • Jazzhawk wrote:
    Earl Thomas
    Richard Sherman
    Kam Chancellor
    KJ Wright
    Brandon Browner



    Golden Tate
    Jason Jones
    Alan Branch


    The first 5, to me, are the identity of the team and are critical to keep. The last three I like, but I don't see them as critical in growing the team. Golden is coming into his own, but I think there are rookies in the draft that can be had to replicate what he gives us, and the same with Branch and Jones. Does that mean I want to jettison them? No, I would love to have long-term relationships for them here. I just know I won't lose sleep if we can't keep them. I don't feel that way about the Legion of Boom, however.

    The only change I see is I'd let Wright go and bring back Jones
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  • zayden185 wrote:
    CANHawk wrote:^Amen. Tate is super important to the offense. I'm a huge fan of what he brings. I wouldn't even think about parting ways with him at this point (unless he demands a totally stupid contract extension that is.)


    What you have to ask is...could a cheaper rookie do his job? That's it...it's a bidness, and I waod say that any number of 4-7 draft picks can do what he does...and get separation as well on a consistent basis.

    Had a great year..but replaceable

    In fact I could argue that a faster taller version I him could do more!
    And cheaper mid round pick with a chip on his shoulder fighting for veteran contract

    You'd also have to ask if continuety and the chemistry would play a part in bringing in an unknown, remember Koren?
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  • To be honest I'm not that concerned. With the way this team finds players throughout the draft, I don't think it's going to be much of an issue. I have faith in our FO to keep this going. Every draft they show us what they can do . Yes it would be nice to keep all our great players around but just keep in mind that 2 years ago, or even beginning of last year, you wouldn't have care about most of these guys. We find talent. We will keep who we need, and find what we need to replace .
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