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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:29 pm
  • Yards are pointless without points. I'd rather have 170 yards and 3 TD's out of Wilson than 350 yards and 1 or 2 TD's. Your friend is dumb.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:55 pm
  • Don't forget the bring-him-along-slowly factor. RW was largely limited in the first few games, they say.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:02 pm
  • I would not put Wilson in the "Elite" category this soon, but he is definitely making a believer out of me. But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working. I have not seen this which is a credit to all of the other areas of strength on this team.

    But the question of is he our true QBOTF has been answered. He needs to keep improving and get his YPG up to at least the mid 200's game in and game out. I believe this will come in time, but probably next year.

    But the TD/INT ratio is very strong and even his yards per attempt is looking really good!

    Keep up the good work RW!
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:11 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Your friend is dumb.


    SacHawk2.0 wrote:Yards are pointless without points.


    Nitpickpolice here. Sorry ma'am/sir, d'ya know your mind was speeding through a school zone?

    Give the kids a break.

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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:12 pm
  • I believe Wilson is the franchise QB, but I think u guys are taking this a little too far. Wilson's QBR this year which is a lot more accurate than QB rating is a 56, which is slightly above average, You guys are calling him elite. He's a good starting QB now, he might be elite in the future.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:25 pm
  • kf3339 wrote: But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working.


    Dude, RW has two 4th quarter comeback victories already in his career, and it would have been three if the Defense didn't lay an egg at the end of the Detroit game.

    If that's not putting the team on your back I don't know what it.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:35 pm
  • Big Russ, the skies the limit for this kid. I can't wait to see what he will be like in a couple of years.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:43 pm
  • I think at this point we can call him competant with an upside.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:50 pm
  • Wilson made a couple unbelievable plays today. The backhand flip was amazing, and the ball he threw to Rice could not have been thrown better, but for the large part of the game today, Wilson looked helplessly lost. He just had no idea what he was looking at against Ryan's 3-4 until the Jets proved so dismal that the game got out of hand. That was one of the worst teams that I have seen in a while out there today. If we were playing against a better offense that wasn't completely inept, this game might have looked much different. I fully understand that rookies are going to struggle against tricky 3-4 defenses, but to call that performance today anywhere near elite just isn't correct. I'm not a Wilson hater by any stretch, but for 30 minutes, he looked just about as bad as a QB can look.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:As far as kearly's post.. I wouldn't say Wilson is elite yet. He has a very solid completion percentage and TD/INT ratio (10 to 2 over the last five weeks) .. but he's been sub 200 yards in 7 of 10 starts. That's anything but elite. That's Alex Smith.

    He's doing well though limiting mistakes and has shown marked improvement over his last five starts compared to his first five starts. But saying he's elite and Hall-of-Fame bound is extremely premature IMO.

    The "Sub 200" is because Pete has been commited to the run game, Y'know, Lynch?, Turbin?, AND Pete had him on a pretty short leash, and wanted him to digest a more limited playbook, you know?, kinda like Holmgren did with Matt Hasselbeck (Mr. August), only difference is, Hasselbeck got pulled and replaced by Trent Dilfer, because he was losing too many games,,Can't say the same thing about Russell Wilson can we.
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  • Tical21 wrote:Wilson made a couple unbelievable plays today. The backhand flip was amazing, and the ball he threw to Rice could not have been thrown better, but for the large part of the game today, Wilson looked helplessly lost. He just had no idea what he was looking at against Ryan's 3-4 until the Jets proved so dismal that the game got out of hand. That was one of the worst teams that I have seen in a while out there today. If we were playing against a better offense that wasn't completely inept, this game might have looked much different. I fully understand that rookies are going to struggle against tricky 3-4 defenses, but to call that performance today anywhere near elite just isn't correct. I'm not a Wilson hater by any stretch, but for 30 minutes, he looked just about as bad as a QB can look.

    Bullsh*t, the Jets Coaching staff game planned for Wilson, and figgured they could rattle him enough to neutralize him.
    Wilson burned the Jets quite a few times with TD, and runs (RGIII style), PLUS, the Jets Coaches hadn't planned on Pete and Co. to come up with a few trick plays to score 28 points, hell, even Tate threw for more yards than Sanchez (ZERO TD's), and that's what I'd call a Quarterback looking "just about as bad as a QB can look"
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  • kf3339 wrote:I would not put Wilson in the "Elite" category this soon, but he is definitely making a believer out of me. But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working. I have not seen this which is a credit to all of the other areas of strength on this team.

    But the question of is he our true QBOTF has been answered. He needs to keep improving and get his YPG up to at least the mid 200's game in and game out. I believe this will come in time, but probably next year.

    But the TD/INT ratio is very strong and even his yards per attempt is looking really good!

    Keep up the good work RW!

    Hell yea, Hasselbeck lost what?, 8 games before getting pulled and replaced by Dilfer?
    RW is doing a great job for being a rook, and 28 to 7 is pretty damn good, because it meant that the whole Offense rose to meet the challenge of the swarming Jets Defense :th2thumbs:
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  • I'm confused when people want Wilson to be at certain numbers. All I want him to do is win the game for us. Throw for only 10 yards, win by 50 points? who cares?
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  • Tical21 wrote:I'm not a Wilson hater by any stretch, but for 30 minutes, he looked just about as bad as a QB can look.


    I was with you until this part. Wilson played smart football. He was unproductive at his worst, but never terrible. He finished with zero interceptions and never came close to having one. And it's not like elite QBs always play 4 quarters either. It's pretty typical for a great QB to have an ebb and flow, to build the bulk of his stats on a few key drives.

    Good plus bad, Wilson finished with a passer rating north of 130. Good plus bad, the team was perfect in the red zone. Good plus bad, the Seahawks were a solid 6/14 on 3rd+4th down (43%). Good plus bad, the Seahawks pretty much dominated the game, finishing with 363 yards of offense and winning time of possesion by 12 minutes and change.

    Matt Stafford put his team on his back to beat us- giving maybe the best QB performance against us all season, and he still had about 2 full quarters of seeming ineptitude. It's not always about playing 4 full quarters every game. If a QB regularly did that his offense would be scoring 45 points a game. Very few QBs in history have lived up to that standard. If you define elite as 2011 Rodgers/Brees or 2007/2010 Brady, then yeah, Wilson is nowhere close to elite. I'm not saying he's playing at an all time great level, looking unstoppable in every quarter of every game. I do think he's quietly elite in terms of overall efficiency compared to his 2012 peers.
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  • Not to take anything away from Russel, calling him elite is way off.
    He has improved tremendously but if he were truly elite we would've seen the ball in his hands way more then 20 times per game. Think about other elite QB's and how often have you seen them finish a game with 18 attempts?
    He has done everything we've asked so far and I'm excited to see him improving weekly but if you have an elite QB your offense is built around him and I don't care whats your "identity".
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  • I'm not ready to call Russell Wilson an elite QB, that definitely seems premature. I'd say he's playing at an above average level right now and showing us he could develop into elite one day. Wilson had a tough start to the season but week after week he has shown a remarkable ability to correct his mistakes and add to his repertoire.

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    I agree 100% with bolstering the OL... We've been witnessing the development of Wilson with the receivers the last few weeks. You can tell they are doing a better job working together and getting open. An improved OL will only aid our already dominant running game and with improved pass protection you can expect more through the air as well.
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  • Kolsteseahawks wrote:I believe Wilson is the franchise QB, but I think u guys are taking this a little too far. Wilson's QBR this year which is a lot more accurate than QB rating is a 56, which is slightly above average, You guys are calling him elite. He's a good starting QB now, he might be elite in the future.


    If QBR was the gold standard why isn't everyone using it?
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  • I could care less what we call him... except, the kid is a WINNER.
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  • Here is how I know the kid is "elite": There will be little if any talk that we need a first round QB next year. RW has killed that kind of talk.
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  • The only thing that is keeping this kid from being deemed an elite QB (by those that already don't) is statistics. What the hell are stats? An elite QB is exactly what we have here in Seattle right now. If we had a defense that consistently gave up 30 pts per game...Russ would be passing the ball 35 times and his stats would look more "elite". But we don't...and we have a top-5 running game to boot. Russ can do anything on the field, he can- and does- make almost any throw, he can avoid the rush and improvise as good as most, he is extremely cerebral and very prepared week in and week out, his leadership is fantastic, his maturity level and poise are stellar...is he playing at an elite level? I guess it's all relative...and relative to the opportunities that he is given...yes he indeed is. This kid is PURE STUD.

    To me it's a no-brainer.
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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    kf3339 wrote: But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working.


    Dude, RW has two 4th quarter comeback victories already in his career, and it would have been three if the Defense didn't lay an egg at the end of the Detroit game.

    If that's not putting the team on your back I don't know what it.


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  • kearly wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I'm not a Wilson hater by any stretch, but for 30 minutes, he looked just about as bad as a QB can look.


    I was with you until this part. Wilson played smart football. He was unproductive at his worst, but never terrible. He finished with zero interceptions and never came close to having one. And it's not like elite QBs always play 4 quarters either. It's pretty typical for a great QB to have an ebb and flow, to build the bulk of his stats on a few key drives.

    Good plus bad, Wilson finished with a passer rating north of 130. Good plus bad, the team was perfect in the red zone. Good plus bad, the Seahawks were a solid 6/14 on 3rd+4th down (43%). Good plus bad, the Seahawks pretty much dominated the game, finishing with 363 yards of offense and winning time of possesion by 12 minutes and change.

    Matt Stafford put his team on his back to beat us- giving maybe the best QB performance against us all season, and he still had about 2 full quarters of seeming ineptitude. It's not always about playing 4 full quarters every game. If a QB regularly did that his offense would be scoring 45 points a game. Very few QBs in history have lived up to that standard. If you define elite as 2011 Rodgers/Brees or 2007/2010 Brady, then yeah, Wilson is nowhere close to elite. I'm not saying he's playing at an all time great level, looking unstoppable in every quarter of every game. I do think he's quietly elite in terms of overall efficiency compared to his 2012 peers.

    You're probably right. I was probably a little strong and will back off a little. He didn't throw four picks in a half or anything like that. He did give a gift TD at a really bad time.

    I'm not saying I don't fully expect him to be lost at times over the next few years. I don't want it to come across that I'm disappointed in Wilson in any way. I think he has been amazing. I'm on the wagon, no question. But when you give it the only test that matters, the eyeball test, there is a huge difference between watching Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady command an offense and watching Russell Wilson.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:He is upset that he was released 2 years ago and now benched in Tennessee for locker.


    :lol:

    I will say it's quite amazing Wilson has played as well as he has with you hanging from his groin though. Props.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:03 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    T-Sizzle wrote:He is upset that he was released 2 years ago and now benched in Tennessee for locker.


    You're seriously one of the lamest posters on here man. :lol:

    I will say it's quite amazing Wilson has played as well as he has with you hanging from his groin though. Props.

    I don't agree with you much, but this, I completely agree with.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:05 am
  • Kolsteseahawks wrote:I believe Wilson is the franchise QB, but I think u guys are taking this a little too far. Wilson's QBR this year which is a lot more accurate than QB rating is a 56, which is slightly above average, You guys are calling him elite. He's a good starting QB now, he might be elite in the future.


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    Fact is. He's 23 with a very high ceiling.. and yes, one day maybe he is elite. One day maybe he goes down as the best QB in Seahawks history, which right now is a pretty small list to climb, but good grief.. we're 32nd overall in passing, even the Chiefs and Jaguars have done more in that department, you can cite whatever stat you want to make Wilson an elite QB but right now he's not. Right now.... he's Alex Smith with greater potential.

    And that's not insulting, which I'm sure the Wilson spinsters like T-Dawg or T-Shizzle or whatever moniker he wants to use will decree.. because Smith has actually turned himself into a very effective QB.. but we need to stop trying to turn Wilson into something he's not at this time. He's not elite. He's not ROY caliber. He's just GOOD. And that's OKAY.. clearly going off of the fact we're 6-4 and firmly in the playoff race.

    But holy cow, these threads and replies saying he's HOF bound are hilariously over the top.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:16 am
  • I would be currious to know exactly how many times RW actually dropped back to pass agains the Jets last game. I think sometimes his pass attempts are deceivingly low because he does a lot of 1-2 yard gains on pass plays that he can't find anyone, so he tucks and avoids a sack. This helps his qb rating because it doesn't count as an incomplete. I would be willing to guess that although he only attempted 19 passes, he was probably actually dropped back to pass closer to 28 times.

    I would not call Russell Wilson an elite qb yet, (actually I don't believe you can be elite in half of a rookie season), but he is also having a much better season than most rookies do so he definately has potential. He has been playing pretty amazing at home lately!
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:27 am
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    Kolsteseahawks wrote:I believe Wilson is the franchise QB, but I think u guys are taking this a little too far. Wilson's QBR this year which is a lot more accurate than QB rating is a 56, which is slightly above average, You guys are calling him elite. He's a good starting QB now, he might be elite in the future.


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    (BUT NO! THAT'S INCREDIBLY INSULTING BECAUSE BECAUSE.. AHHHHH!)

    Fact is. He's 23 with a very high ceiling.. and yes, one day maybe he is elite. One day maybe he goes down as the best QB in Seahawks history, which right now is a pretty small list to climb, but good grief.. we're 32nd overall in passing, even the Chiefs and Jaguars have done more in that department, you can cite whatever stat you want to make Wilson an elite QB but right now he's not. Right now.... he's Alex Smith with greater potential.

    And that's not insulting, which I'm sure the Wilson spinsters like T-Dawg or T-Shizzle or whatever moniker he wants to use will decree.. because Smith has actually turned himself into a very effective QB.. but we need to stop trying to turn Wilson into something he's not at this time. He's not elite. He's not ROY caliber. He's just GOOD. And that's OKAY.. clearly going off of the fact we're 6-4 and firmly in the playoff race.

    But holy cow, these threads and replies saying he's HOF bound are hilariously over the top.


    We're 29th in total passing offense.

    Right now, Wilson is the 12th highest rated passer in the entire NFL. Luck? He's 26th, has thrown 10 TDs to 9 INTs and has been sacked 21 times to Russell's 19. the only rookie QB rated higher than Wilson right now is RG3, with an average passer rating of 93.9 (Wilson's is 90.5). Russell has thrown almost twice as many TDs this year than RG3 (15 to 8 ), their comp/att and yardage numbers are quite similar, with RG3 having a bit of an edge there. The biggest difference is that RG3 has only tossed 3 INTs, with Wilson having 8 on the year, all on the road. One of Wilson's was a half time hail mary, and at least 3 others were a direct result of freak occurrences or poor WR play. The reason for this entrie paragraph is to show that, despite what you may think, Wilson SHOULD BE in line for OROY. If he continues his pretty stellar play through the remainder of the season and the Seahawks go to the playoffs either as division winners or even as a wildcard, he should be firmly in the conversation.

    i don't think he's elite yet. Given the choice of QBs for a one year run at the SB, I'd probably take Peyton manning or Brady or Rodgers at this point. Right now though, he's looking like the best rookie QB of this class, and even if you don't buy that, he definitely represents the best value of any QB out of this class.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:45 am
  • Ruminator wrote:My two cents is: In order for this team to become legitimately dangerous in the playoffs, the FO needs to be cognizant of the fact a bolstered OL is a much greater need than an improved WR corp.

    I don't think I can agree with a person more. Breno is a back up RT i'm sorry for the Breno supporters. Have not seen enough out of Moffitt to say he needs to be replaced, but if you have a shot at a Chance Warmack you take him. Seattle still needs some weapons, but this O line is not complete.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:48 am
  • Kolsteseahawks wrote:I believe Wilson is the franchise QB, but I think u guys are taking this a little too far. Wilson's QBR this year which is a lot more accurate than QB rating is a 56, which is slightly above average, You guys are calling him elite. He's a good starting QB now, he might be elite in the future.


    QBR is a bullshit rating though and there's a reason it's not standard.

    Jake Locker is ranked 7th above Drew Brees, Josh Freeman, Alex Smith, Eli Manning and RGIII.

    Andrew Luck is ranked above Aaron Rodgers.

    Tony Romo is ranked above Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton and Josh Freeman - the same Tony Romo who has thrown 9 interceptions in 2 games this season, 13 in total to 12 TD passes despite having one of the best WR tandem's in the league.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 am
  • Elite is a very overused term now days.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:11 am
  • Trenchbroom wrote:I have a friend who is not convinced, largely because his total passing yards are so low. Try to tell him that because of the phenomenal run game and defense he doesn't HAVE to! Plus, oh yeah...this is his rookie season.

    At this point I believe his floor is Hasselbeck. FLOOR. And I think he'll do much more than 'ol Hass in yards when his career is done.



    See another stat guy! makes his decisions from the stats. Doesn't care how successful any player is if his "stats" don't make him happy. I swear this type of fan drives me crazy, care nothing about wins and losses, only cares about stats.

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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:11 am
  • Tical21 wrote:I'm not saying I don't fully expect him to be lost at times over the next few years. I don't want it to come across that I'm disappointed in Wilson in any way. I think he has been amazing. I'm on the wagon, no question. But when you give it the only test that matters, the eyeball test, there is a huge difference between watching Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady command an offense and watching Russell Wilson.


    I'd agree with this, and I think calling Wilson elite right now is hyperbolic.

    However, it should also be acknowledged that all the guys you listed have a ton of NFL experience, and Wilson's rookie season easily rivals each of their initial seasons starting for quality of play.

    I don't think Wilson is elite right now, no. But I do think that he's showing us a skillset, an ability to fix mistakes, and a combination of work ethic and leadership right now that has him on a fast track to elite status. What he's done as a rookie QB is outstanding - and some of his games thus far (especially home games) look like what you would see from a top 10 veteran.
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Re: Russell Wilson- the silently elite QB
Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:27 am
  • Russel Wilson has impressed me this being his rookie year. The coaches have done a fine job in putting him in situations to win games and he is making good use of it. I think he will grow after every game and learn from his mistakes. His ball placement, ball distribution are amazing. He has shown steady improvement in being in the pocket but needs to learn how to read corner blitzes better. He will over time, but when you are scouting the field to throw, you will also need to recognize people running at you basically untouched. When you also escape from the pocket to avoid a rush, you need to run away from the blitz. I am sure he will be an elite as soon as he is given the chance to make changes in the line of scrimmage and keep the opposing defense guessing. I think the game against 49ers and Chicago bears will be a good measuring stick to figure out how far he has come this season. An elite QB in my mind is one who creates situations to win, a time when the coaches don't have to put different situations for the team to win, but for the QB to show and be comfortable with all the situations to win the game based on his skills.
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  • QBR is a tracking "stat" that is very subjective in nature- very similar to the kind of stats PFF puts out. I like PFF- but that's because their stats usually pass the eyeball test. QBR has had a rough debut. Their rankings fail the eyeball test at an alarming rate. QBR is decently accurate on WIlson, but very inaccurate on other QBs.

    In fairness to Wilson, his 3 worst games really tanked his stats since he has a low rep count. His season ANYA score is right around the league average. Consider though that five times this year Wilson posted an ANYA over 8, which is an elite performance. And in Wilson's last five games, his ANYA score has been one of the best in the league- and that's even counting the dropfest in SF. If not for that six drop game, Wilson would likely be the NFL's most efficient QB the last five weeks, which is saying a lot.

    Wilson has become an elite QB in recent weeks. His seasonal stats might not reflect that because of a few ugly/unlucky games early, but as of late he's been on a real tear, and it doesn't feel like a fluke either.
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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    kf3339 wrote: But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working.


    Dude, RW has two 4th quarter comeback victories already in his career, and it would have been three if the Defense didn't lay an egg at the end of the Detroit game.

    If that's not putting the team on your back I don't know what it.


    It's comments like yours that have made me cut back dramatically on making posts in this forum. There is nothing in my comments that should make you feel that mentioning a few quarters justifies labeling any QB as "Elite".

    Perhaps you should look up the work "elite" and place the term in the context of other QB's now or in history that have earned the term based on a stronger history than 2 quarters of play. That would be a good place to start.

    As I stated, Wilson is doing very well for his first year, and do hope he continues to improve this year and going forward in his career.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:we're 32nd overall in passing, even the Chiefs and Jaguars have done more in that department, you can cite whatever stat you want to make Wilson an elite QB but right now he's not.


    The "hanging from his groin" line was awesome, but as long as you continue to equate total yardage with passing excellence, we're going to disagree.
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  • Brady, Rogers, Manning have NEVER had pick 6's OR fumbles returned for TD's.

    Its amazing, that anything negative the RW endures, all VERY typical of even elite veteran situations, keep the Wilson doubt alive. RW has to perfect, every play, to even win over this fanbase.

    The best is Hasselbeck, who's namesake wouldn't have ever started past game 3, using his same evaluation of Wilson.

    Its all fascinating.
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  • Elite status is earned based on multiple seasons IMO. I will say that RW has all the makings of an elite QB though-leadership ability, intelligence, dedication, maturity, poise, an improving pocket presence, ability to keep plays alive, and he lives football.

    Consistency over several seasons will solidify his spot. And I don't doubt he'll get there.
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  • I don't know how anyone can say he's NOT elite at Home. 11 TD's, 0 picks and 5 wins. What more can anyone want. The idea that a QB MUST pass for 250-300 yards or he's somhow inferrior is laughable. Don't you think that if Luck had an elite Defense and a pulverizing running attack that he would use it more often? Of course, the fact that for 2 straight weeks the offense have killed the last 5 and 7 minutes of the game respectively on offense is dominant and is unbelieable. If you can effectively close out the game by pounding the ball, why on earth would you pass more than a handful of times in the 4th quarter.

    if you look at a number of games over the weekend you'll see that the winning QB in alot had less passing yards than the losing team. Look at Dalton 4 TD's 190 yards, while Eli had 225ish in the Bengals Blowout. The Bucs Freeman had 210 yards and Rivers had 300+. Locker and the Titans beat down the Dolphins and only have 125 yards 2 TD's, Tannehill 225ish yards and 0 TD's. So why are people so concerned with passing yards I ask myself.
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  • Ruminator wrote:My two cents is: In order for this team to become legitimately dangerous in the playoffs, the FO needs to be cognizant of the fact a bolstered OL is a much greater need than an improved WR corp.


    I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Better OL = HOF capability for RW too.
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  • kf3339 wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    kf3339 wrote: But to be really Elite he needs to be able to put the team on his back when every thing is breaking down and will the team to victory. That means the defense, running game and special teams not working.


    Dude, RW has two 4th quarter comeback victories already in his career, and it would have been three if the Defense didn't lay an egg at the end of the Detroit game.

    If that's not putting the team on your back I don't know what it.


    It's comments like yours that have made me cut back dramatically on making posts in this forum. There is nothing in my comments that should make you feel that mentioning a few quarters justifies labeling any QB as "Elite".

    Perhaps you should look up the work "elite" and place the term in the context of other QB's now or in history that have earned the term based on a stronger history than 2 quarters of play. That would be a good place to start.

    As I stated, Wilson is doing very well for his first year, and do hope he continues to improve this year and going forward in his career.


    Comments like mine? What did I say that was so offensive? All I pointed out was that there were times that RW did in fact put this team on his back.
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  • The thing is about RW and the his level of play is that no matter how well he plays it means very little until he proves he can keep doing it time and time again. That being the case it's far too soon to anoint him any title other than a rookie playing very well at this stage of his career.

    But I believe he will get there.
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  • Nothing silent about it. Russel Wilson is making a strong case as a serious up and comer. We have us a top ten QB folks.
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  • Here's a cool stat that I came across today that provides a least some credence to Kearly's contention of Russell being "elite" (or at least that he's headed that way). A good measure of an elite QB is what he does in the clutch. Well check out where his 4th Quarter QB Rating ranks. Take this FWIW ...

    4th Quarter QB Rating (Top NFL QB's) ...

    1] Jay Cutler 135.0
    2] Peyton Manning 121.8
    3] Aaron Rodgers 107.7
    4] Matthew Stafford 103.8
    5] Sam Bradford 97.4
    6] Russell Wilson 96.2
    7] Kevin Kolb 96.0
    8] Ben Roethlisberger 95.9
    9] Andy Dalton 94.0
    10] Tom Brady 92.2

    Some of the names on that list are admittedly a bit dubious ... but for the most part, pretty solid list.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:As ridiculous as it sounds I can imagine Wilson in the Hall of Fame one day.


    As ridiculous as it sounds, I can imagine myself having sex with J-Lo. (If you're gonna dream, might as well go for it!) :mrgreen:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:As ridiculous as it sounds I can imagine Wilson in the Hall of Fame one day.


    As ridiculous as it sounds, I can imagine myself having sex with J-Lo. (If you're gonna dream, might as well go for it!) :mrgreen:


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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:As ridiculous as it sounds I can imagine Wilson in the Hall of Fame one day.


    As ridiculous as it sounds, I can imagine myself having sex with J-Lo. (If you're gonna dream, might as well go for it!) :mrgreen:



    Do they make time-machines or doses of cialis in the necessary milligrams?

    Until RW goes 28/28, 410, 4 TD's, and no Int's, SOME will extrapolate things like fumbles (Brady and Manning do those) into reasons why not. I know from my eyes, that dudes a baller and special in the making. When he fumbled Sunday, I cared more about RW's detractors than the outcome.

    Its just bazaar, even for a loon like me.
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  • seahawks08 wrote:Russel Wilson has impressed me this being his rookie year. The coaches have done a fine job in putting him in situations to win games and he is making good use of it. I think he will grow after every game and learn from his mistakes. His ball placement, ball distribution are amazing. He has shown steady improvement in being in the pocket but needs to learn how to read corner blitzes better. He will over time, but when you are scouting the field to throw, you will also need to recognize people running at you basically untouched. When you also escape from the pocket to avoid a rush, you need to run away from the blitz. I am sure he will be an elite as soon as he is given the chance to make changes in the line of scrimmage and keep the opposing defense guessing. I think the game against 49ers and Chicago bears will be a good measuring stick to figure out how far he has come this season. An elite QB in my mind is one who creates situations to win, a time when the coaches don't have to put different situations for the team to win, but for the QB to show and be comfortable with all the situations to win the game based on his skills.


    I think the real test on the Chi game is going to be on the staff and not RW. If I was in that spot I know what needs to be done for Chi. Limit the pass. Play tough D and win field position. This is game needs to be a boring conservative old school game for the Hawks to come out on top. I would hope we do a lot of run, run, pass, type plays. As long we keep the score with in 2 possessions, we grind it out as much as possible. The caveat is to look for the single coverage play action deep ball.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:As ridiculous as it sounds I can imagine Wilson in the Hall of Fame one day.


    As ridiculous as it sounds, I can imagine myself having sex with J-Lo. (If you're gonna dream, might as well go for it!) :mrgreen:


    With or without your gothic black leather hood on?


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  • pehawk wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:As ridiculous as it sounds I can imagine Wilson in the Hall of Fame one day.


    As ridiculous as it sounds, I can imagine myself having sex with J-Lo. (If you're gonna dream, might as well go for it!) :mrgreen:



    Do they make time-machines or doses of cialis in the necessary milligrams?



    Of all the people on this board, YOU should know the answer to that one. (Or did you already forget our night in Cheney?)
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