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 Post subject: Re: whats flynns eventual value?
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Even though they are only somewhat related. Russell Wilson's success is linked to Flynn's value.

Once the world sees that Wilson won the job, and that Flynn didn't lose it, we'll be okay for a 2nd - 4th. Let me ask you a question. If we still had Tavaris, how much would you pay for him?

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Tell me getting a 2nd wouldn't be a huge bonus for next year

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The talk of a 2nd has no basis in reality unless Wilson gets hurt and Flynn comes in and blows it up in his 2nd NFL offense.

Sure, Peyton took away from his market, but his market was only 2 teams, one of which didn't make a strong offer. He's not suddenly going to become a hot commodity without something changing drastically.

If we got a 3rd it'd be nuts and we'd be extremely lucky, pretty lucky if we got a 4th.


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Why are we even talking about this?? Can't we for just once have a relatively stable quarterback roster?

His cap hit will jump to $7.25 million next year, for a guy who is sitting on the bench. So no, we probably can't keep him. We don't even have much leverage to renegotiate the contract because if we cut him we'd still have to put something like $4mil in bonuses against the cap.

Best case scenario for us would probably be if we can get him in on some garbage time. If he could step in and show the world that he really does have game, we could maybe unload him for a 3rd plus another low one. Plenty of teams will want QBs, and this draft class still looks weak. But his contract is going to hurt our chances, and at the moment he just doesn't have enough on tape to be worth it. As it stands right now, I'm thinking our best chance might be a 5th with a condition that it could go up to a 3rd or 4th if he starts and is awesome.


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Why are we even talking about this?? Can't we for just once have a relatively stable quarterback roster?

His cap hit will jump to $7.25 million next year, for a guy who is sitting on the bench. So no, we probably can't keep him. We don't even have much leverage to renegotiate the contract because if we cut him we'd still have to put something like $4mil in bonuses against the cap.

Best case scenario for us would probably be if we can get him in on some garbage time. If he could step in and show the world that he really does have game, we could maybe unload him for a 3rd plus another low one. Plenty of teams will want QBs, and this draft class still looks weak. But his contract is going to hurt our chances, and at the moment he just doesn't have enough on tape to be worth it. As it stands right now, I'm thinking our best chance might be a 5th with a condition that it could go up to a 3rd or 4th if he starts and is awesome.


Well, there's that to consider... :34853_doh: It's just a shame we can't be solid at the position for once.


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I'm think a 2nd and a 5th

To a team like the jets cheifs cowboys eagles jags chargers browns

What's everybody think



I think Pete probably has the occasional cocktail but shys away from the meth. In other words, Flynn likely won't be going anywhere, anytime soon.


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Possible franchise QBs are such a hot commodity though that they get overvalued. People will look at Flynn and say "well he was a 7th round draft pick and was then beaten out by a rookie", but by the end of the year they'll also be saying "that rookie would have beaten out our starter too".

A team like KC, Buffalo, NYJ or possibly Cleveland, and arguably Dallas would take a serious look at Flynn for a 2nd, considering he has a relatively risk-free contract.

I don't think I'd give him up for a 2nd though, as it's all good getting a 2nd for a backup until you need someone to step in and lead the team.


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No idea if anyone even wants him, the only two teams that were interested in him have their franchise guys in place now, Miami with Tannehill, and Seattle with Wilson. Also one could argue Seattle didn't even See Flynn as a franchise QB because he had to compete for the starting spot. I think a 5th would be fair, a 4th I'd be friggin thrilled.

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Conditional late round that can become a 3rd...maybe a 2nd, depending on starts/stats.


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stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.

with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.

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Probably pretty minimal. If he never plays this year and shows that he is good, I doubt teams will be frothing at the mouth for him. I'd guess 5th tops, and that is probably being too optimistic. I think he's good, but his value lessens when he doesn't go out there and perform


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stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.

with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.


Either way, he makes too much to be a back up. He'll need to be restructured this offseason, if he turns it down, do you honestly think JS & PC will keep him around?

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I think kearly is the one who brought up the Raiders as the most likely suitor. Maybe a 4th there, if, on the second day of the draft, there's slim pickings for QBs and the Raiders haven't taken 1 of Barkley, G. Smith, or Tyler Wilson.

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stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.

with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.


This is true for any NFL QB. Depth wins championships......true, but that is not true for the QB position. Backup QB's don't win championships...show me how many backup QBs that have come into play and have won Superbowl?

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Flynn must be OK with the status quo or his agent would be leaking stuff to the media. His contract might address his future should he not be the starter: trade/buyout/release? Wilson better workout as the starter because I don't think any FA QBs would seriously consider Seattle after pondering the Flynn situation.


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Bipolar wrote:
stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.


I totally agree. Unless It's a 1st round pick (which I think has zero chance of happening) or a really one sided trade in our favor (like what Philly got for Kolb) I'd rather just keep Flynn and have a good back up QB. I know some will bring up Flynns pay/cap hit, but the bigger picture IMO, is how much we are paying for BOTH our starter and back up, which is pretty low compared to the rest of the NFL.

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with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.


I don't really feel like Wilson is at any more risk than most of the other QBs out there, maybe I'm delusional, but for some reason I'm not really worried about it. But yeah, every team in the league is one unlucky hit away from starting their back up QB.

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Skater, no team will give up more than a 4th for him. He's proved nothing in a real NFL setting, except that he couldn't beat out a 3rd round 5'10" rookie, when he was all but a lock for the starting job after getting paid in FA. If some team is willing to do something like we did for Whitehurst, then our FO better jump all over it.


Why do people keep saying this?

Yeh he was beat out by a 5'10", 3rd round rookie. Big deal! That rookie is showing everyone why he won the job!

It isn't like Flynn is some scubb. He just didn't beat out a guy who looks to finally be the franchise QB we have been looking for the last upteen years.

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Skater, no team will give up more than a 4th for him. He's proved nothing in a real NFL setting, except that he couldn't beat out a 3rd round 5'10" rookie, when he was all but a lock for the starting job after getting paid in FA. If some team is willing to do something like we did for Whitehurst, then our FO better jump all over it.


Why do people keep saying this?

Yeh he was beat out by a 5'10", 3rd round rookie. Big deal! That rookie is showing everyone why he won the job!

It isn't like Flynn is some scubb. He just didn't beat out a guy who looks to finally be the franchise QB we have been looking for the last upteen years.


I'm more alluding to league perception, Dom. WE know that Wilson is just that good, but around the league, they're going to see a player who was given decent money to come in and be the starter, and couldn't perform well enough to beat out a 3rd round rookie in preseason. It will diminish his perceived value.

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Probably nothing. Maybe a token 6th or 7th rounder at best.

He'll be a 28 year old career backup looking for his third team. He got a nice payday from the Seahawks and he'll be competing for a #2 seat wherever he goes.

Maybe not fair, but in the NFL youth is served. Teams do not pay for potential when it comes to older players.

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I dont know how many others cringed when Russell was nearly made into a pretzel sandwich yesterday, I thought he may have to come out, but other than Russells health I was really I was not worried about it, if it was Josh Portis I would have been really concerned.

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he has zero value, he is no good, just ask anyone here.


Except for the ones that think he's Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Johnny U, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Bob Greise, & Vince Lombardi combined.

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But Matt Flynn is a starting caliber QB


I disagree with this statement. And the reason I feel that way is because he hasn't been able to show anyone if he is or not. (except for Pete)

I think even tho he gets good money next year its offset by Wilson's cheap rookie signing contract. Keep him around until its time for Wilson to get good money and then if he isn't capable of being our backup let him go.

By the way, I would suggest to the Seahawks they offer him a new contract after next year. One thing we don't want is a player to be pissed and leave over a lack of respect. While I don't see Wilson being that way like Hutch was I do think Wilson might feel differently if he continues to have success here.

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Why are we even talking about this?? Can't we for just once have a relatively stable quarterback roster?


I'm with him. If we can work the money, we gotta. We have been very lucky so far, Wilson is a very mobile guy and takes off. His a great slider, but I don't line the idea of a ruined season if he gets hurt.

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stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.

with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.


This is true for any NFL QB. Depth wins championships......true, but that is not true for the QB position. Backup QB's don't win championships...show me how many backup QBs that have come into play and have won Superbowl?


Staubach, Bradshaw, Plunkett, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady were all backups who supplanted starters at some point in the season and went on to win the superbowl. That's about what 1/6 of all Superbowl winning QB's?

There are also many who were backups that led teams to the Superbowl but didn't win.

I remember clearly the years Plunkett took over for Pastorini/Wilson, Doug Williams took over for Jay Schroeder, Trent Dilfer took over for Tony Banks, and Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe. Those all took place at varying times in the season. With Williams it was for the playoffs basically only. Hostetler took over for Simms very late in the season as well. Brady took over early for Bledsoe (about a quarter of the way in). Dilfer took over for Banks after a couple of weeks, as Banks wasn't performing and they needed somebody to just manage the game and not a guy who would try to force things and created turnovers like Banks did. Plunkett was stuck in the Al Davis revolving wheel of QB's. Jay Schroeder lost the confidence of his teammates and coach and kept coming out with injuries. Gibbs finally said "enough" and just put Williams in and decided to just run with it for better or worse.

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It will all depend on how desperate a team is at the time he is put on the block. I saw on one of the Vike boards last night that at least one fan is calling for Ziggy to go after Flynn. To me Minny would be the team that would most benefit from Flynn because of his knowledge of Green Bay's offense. But really, who knows.

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OK but think of someone like TJ Yates playing for Texans last year. a freaking 3rd string QB, a rookie, starts playing and dominates games, including in playoffs. yes, they lost the division game against Ravens, but it is still pretty good in my books.

we need someone reliable like that, who can just step in and play lights out... Flynn is exactly this type of guy.
yes, we paid him too much, in hindsight. but what if RW didn't pan out? the odds were against him, in all conventional wisdom!
and if we didn't get Flynn, we would have been forced to draft some mediocre QB in the middle of the 1st round, Weeden or Osweiler.

so it is really up to the front office to re-negotiate Flynn's contract during the offseason. his stock isn't worth much these days, so I doubt he will have much leverage. nobody in NFL is going to pay him millions of dollars to sit on the bench. trading him to another team for peanuts would be just plain stupid.

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OK but think of someone like TJ Yates playing for Texans last year. a freaking 3rd string QB, a rookie, starts playing and dominates games, including in playoffs. yes, they lost the division game against Ravens, but it is still pretty good in my books.

we need someone reliable like that, who can just step in and play lights out... Flynn is exactly this type of guy.
yes, we paid him too much, in hindsight. but what if RW didn't pan out? the odds were against him, in all conventional wisdom!
and if we didn't get Flynn, we would have been forced to draft some mediocre QB in the middle of the 1st round, Weeden or Osweiler.

so it is really up to the front office to re-negotiate Flynn's contract during the offseason. his stock isn't worth much these days, so I doubt he will have much leverage. nobody in NFL is going to pay him millions of dollars to sit on the bench. trading him to another team for peanuts would be just plain stupid.



If we didn't get Flynn in the off season we'd still have Tjack as are back up. I think Flynn Stays. The contract he signed isn't awful it just seems that way now because of RW. We have two starting QB for the price of what many teams pay one. In terms of getting something for him I don't see it being great maybe a 5th with the possibility of it being higher based on Flynn performance. Then they have to find and sign a back up and still pay him a decent amount, why do that.


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By the way, I would suggest to the Seahawks they offer him a new contract after next year. One thing we don't want is a player to be pissed and leave over a lack of respect. While I don't see Wilson being that way like Hutch was I do think Wilson might feel differently if he continues to have success here.


Under the rules of the new CBA, the Seahawks cannot offer Wilson a second contract until after his third season with the team when the restrictions on the initial deal no longer apply (eg - Wilson gets an accelerator in his contract in year four for becoming a starter and playing a certain % of snaps). It's put complete control in the teams hands for 3/4 years for any player drafted outside of round one and it's even worse for R1 picks with teams holding an option for a 5th year on all contracts, essentially meaning teams get rookie value for 4/5 years.

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is flynn even going to want to stay and be a back up, or will he ask for a trade.. i get the feeling this guy feels he's a starting caliber qb and is going to want a chance to compete.... i could actually see it getting ugly...

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stop this nonsense. Flynn is a great backup QB and it makes absolutely no sense to trade him. depth is what wins championships, including at QB.

with the way Russell runs all over the field scrambling for first downs, we are literally one unlucky hit away from starting Flynn.


This is true for any NFL QB. Depth wins championships......true, but that is not true for the QB position. Backup QB's don't win championships...show me how many backup QBs that have come into play and have won Superbowl?


Staubach, Bradshaw, Plunkett, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady were all backups who supplanted starters at some point in the season and went on to win the superbowl. That's about what 1/6 of all Superbowl winning QB's?

There are also many who were backups that led teams to the Superbowl but didn't win.

I remember clearly the years Plunkett took over for Pastorini/Wilson, Doug Williams took over for Jay Schroeder, Trent Dilfer took over for Tony Banks, and Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe. Those all took place at varying times in the season. With Williams it was for the playoffs basically only. Hostetler took over for Simms very late in the season as well. Brady took over early for Bledsoe (about a quarter of the way in). Dilfer took over for Banks after a couple of weeks, as Banks wasn't performing and they needed somebody to just manage the game and not a guy who would try to force things and created turnovers like Banks did. Plunkett was stuck in the Al Davis revolving wheel of QB's. Jay Schroeder lost the confidence of his teammates and coach and kept coming out with injuries. Gibbs finally said "enough" and just put Williams in and decided to just run with it for better or worse.


I will give you Williams, Hostetler .... maybe Dilfer..... but stop it with the Brady, Bradshaw, or Staubach. The other thing you may notice is in the modern day NFL where QB plays a huge role its not happening. :141847_bnono:

Matt Flynn has started 2 games, I would prefer to take the gamble he won't be one of those 1/7 backup (if that, personally I don't accept all your QBs) who won't win the SB and allocate that money to someone who will see the field.

:les: If you want to over pay a backup QB lets bring one in with actual experience. :les:

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is flynn even going to want to stay and be a back up, or will he ask for a trade.. i get the feeling this guy feels he's a starting caliber qb and is going to want a chance to compete.... i could actually see it getting ugly...


There's really no DEMANDING trades in the NFL for a backup QB. Players who demand trades are star players that if they sit out will seriously hurt their team. That's not the case with Flynn, he has zero leverage.

Nor do I think Flynn is the kind of player that would do that. Besides, he's making starter money for holding a clipboard. If anything, it'd be the Hawks that initiate a trade.........which I could see happening in the offseason if they can secure a veteran backup for cheap.

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Unless we get a great offer, I'd like to Seattle hold onto Flynn. I firmly believe that Wilson is on a future HoF trajectory, but he's also 206 pounds and mobile. That kind of profile misses a lot of games from injury. We've been lucky so far that he has avoided notable injury. Granted, Wilson is really smart about how he takes contact and that helps tremendously. Still, imagine if we had a legit Superbowl run derailed because we had to switch to Josh Portis or a 7th round rookie next season? I could very easily see that happening. A 6th/7th round pick is nowhere near enough for Flynn to be worth it. The only way I'd sign off on a trade like that is if Portis makes huge strides or if Seattle drafts another Russell Wilson type steal in 2013.


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I think its possible because Matt may ask, and the teams showed class in ushering uneeded talent in a respectful manner.

Heard on the radio that Portis, not Flynn, is Wilsons study partner. Thats says a lil.


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you guys r on drugs. 1 4 th round at best. MY god this guy is the best overhyped bakup of all time.


Kolb?



Tebow?

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How about...

Seattle receives Tebow and a 3rd

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How about...

Seattle receives Tebow and a 3rd

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Do we cut Tebow after?

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Keep him. (Flynn)

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Who is the speaker...

We brought in Tim to compete for a quarterback spot on the roster we think Tim can give us simaler attributes to what russell gives us we want a quarterback that can do a variety of things for us much like Russell and if anything happens to Russel we won't lose anything blah blah blah...

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Skater, no team will give up more than a 4th for him. He's proved nothing in a real NFL setting, except that he couldn't beat out a 3rd round 5'10" rookie, when he was all but a lock for the starting job after getting paid in FA. If some team is willing to do something like we did for Whitehurst, then our FO better jump all over it.


Why do people keep saying this?

Yeh he was beat out by a 5'10", 3rd round rookie. Big deal! That rookie is showing everyone why he won the job!

It isn't like Flynn is some scubb. He just didn't beat out a guy who looks to finally be the franchise QB we have been looking for the last upteen years.


I'm more alluding to league perception, Dom. WE know that Wilson is just that good, but around the league, they're going to see a player who was given decent money to come in and be the starter, and couldn't perform well enough to beat out a 3rd round rookie in preseason. It will diminish his perceived value.

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Surely you're not suggesting we in this forum, know more about the Wilson/Flynn situation, than the various execs, coaches and scouts from around the league. There are no secrets at this level, my FZ lovin' brutha.

...and what did the Raiders give for Carson Palmer? I would decscribe Palmer at that point as being washed up, but that would suggest he was ever worth a damn to begin with. I would take Flynn over Palmer in a second. QBs in this league are not in abundance like RBs or WRs etc. They are worth whatever you can get for them and that can vary dramatically with any given time. Who remembers us getting 2 1s from the Bears for Rick Mirer? Mirer was no better than Flynn. Many of you will argue that Flynn is unproven. OK, Mirer and Palmer were proven...to be shit. In conclusion, as a few rational people have suggested, we need to get over this move Flynn thing. Don't be afraid of success, Hawk fans.


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Why are we even talking about this?? Can't we for just once have a relatively stable quarterback roster?


I'm with him. If we can work the money, we gotta. We have been very lucky so far, Wilson is a very mobile guy and takes off. His a great slider, but I don't line the idea of a ruined season if he gets hurt.


with them.

personally, I have a feeling flynn goes to another ( and plays well, he's a good qb), but I wouldn't mind retaining.


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Trade Flynn for Tebow, then turn to JAX and trade Tebow to Jax for 1st rounders for the next 10 years.

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I am reasonably convinced that Flynn will be gone from Seattle some time next off season. First, he is disgruntled with his role. No, I don't have a source, but it is just plain to see. Second, his salary will be a vital part of extending some of the players from our first Pete and John draft. Third, the Raiders staff has ties to Flynn, and Palmer has crapped the bed in Oakland, leaving a nice trade partner in desperate straights. There are other teams too that will not be able to fill team needs in the draft, but for a variety of reasons did not pursue Flynn last year. Buffalo was dollar tied to Fitz, the Cards were hot for Peyton and also dollar tied to Kolb, with a hot prospect at backup, Minnesota and the Jags were still all in on rookies.

There will be plenty of suitors for Flynn, which is where his real market value will come from. A second would not surprise me at all. Especially since we already ate most of his signing bonus.

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What's the more important question is... what is Flynn's current value to the Seahawks

IMO, he is a very good insurance policy for which you've essentially already paid most of the premiums.

The Hawks will/should keep him until they have a better alternative.

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What's the more important question is... what is Flynn's current value to the Seahawks

IMO, he is a very good insurance policy for which you've essentially already paid most of the premiums.

The Hawks will/should keep him until they have a better alternative.


When you have your Manning....backup is meaningless. Manning, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers...... yup..their backups don't see the field. Our's will not see the field. Spend that money on securing guys we have that actually see the field.

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I am reasonably convinced that Flynn will be gone from Seattle some time next off season. First, he is disgruntled with his role. No, I don't have a source, but it is just plain to see. Second, his salary will be a vital part of extending some of the players from our first Pete and John draft. Third, the Raiders staff has ties to Flynn, and Palmer has crapped the bed in Oakland, leaving a nice trade partner in desperate straights. There are other teams too that will not be able to fill team needs in the draft, but for a variety of reasons did not pursue Flynn last year. Buffalo was dollar tied to Fitz, the Cards were hot for Peyton and also dollar tied to Kolb, with a hot prospect at backup, Minnesota and the Jags were still all in on rookies.

There will be plenty of suitors for Flynn, which is where his real market value will come from. A second would not surprise me at all. Especially since we already ate most of his signing bonus.


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When you have your Manning....backup is meaningless. Manning, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers...... yup..their backups don't see the field. Our's will not see the field. Spend that money on securing guys we have that actually see the field.


Lets think a bit more about this one

Brady went down for a season. They had a guy on the bench that had been there for a few years. Cassell played good for the team to the point where many said Brady was a result of the system. I think more having a backup in the same system paid off and they coached well during that year. They then got plenty out of trading Cassell

Now lets look at Indy - playoff, playoff, playoff, superbowl, playoff, playoff or something like that - Manning goes down and they have no backup result worst team in the league!!!!

What other examples - Big Ben motorcycle crash and I think out for a few other reasons that year. Miss playoff. Bears last year Cutler goes down they were a lock for playoffs but missed playoffs because of a bad bench

Rodgers is partially a result of getting to sit on the bench as a backup

So if your point was that even good / great qb's need a competent backup so you don't throw away a season then I see the point thanks for the great examples :). The team as a whole is still not spending much money on the qb position. You need to keep Flynn OR trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder and then use that pick / a lower pick for a rookie qb (low salary).

I guess the other option is picking up Vick for cheap :D


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It never hurts to have a decent backup QB. Not saying RW isnt motivated enough as it is, but sometimes having a good backup QB keeps your starter on his toes.


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Not gonna lie, I was a little worried for a minute there when Russell got dinged up after the sack towards the end of the game. Of course, he got up, and after a timeout he was able to continue. Dude's a warrior.

As far as Flynn is concerned, I'd try and deal him in the offseason. As Scottemojo points out, the Raiders front office and coaching staff are filled with Green Bay guys. The Flynn connection is there. With the Raiders at 3-5 and not looking like "empty corpses" out there, it's very possible that they could play themselves out of one of the draft's top signal callers. They might want to look towards a veteran, as the Carson Palmer trade was not under their watch and thus not their fault. We won't be able to rip them off as if Al Davis were still alive, but he could net something like a 3rd or 4th rounder in return, all while getting his contract off your hands.

It'll definitely be interesting to see how this plays out but I'm with Scottemojo on this one. Flynn to the Raiders in the offseason for a midround pick or two even thought I'd love to steal Marcel Reese from them! Anyways, let's see how it pans out.

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he has zero value, he is no good, just ask anyone here.

Like Hell Yeah!, why doesn't Pete go and shop his ass off to a needy team, hell, we still have Portis don't we?


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I am reasonably convinced that Flynn will be gone from Seattle some time next off season. First, he is disgruntled with his role. No, I don't have a source, but it is just plain to see. Second, his salary will be a vital part of extending some of the players from our first Pete and John draft. Third, the Raiders staff has ties to Flynn, and Palmer has crapped the bed in Oakland, leaving a nice trade partner in desperate straights. There are other teams too that will not be able to fill team needs in the draft, but for a variety of reasons did not pursue Flynn last year. Buffalo was dollar tied to Fitz, the Cards were hot for Peyton and also dollar tied to Kolb, with a hot prospect at backup, Minnesota and the Jags were still all in on rookies.

There will be plenty of suitors for Flynn, which is where his real market value will come from. A second would not surprise me at all. Especially since we already ate most of his signing bonus.


Personally I feel there will also be suitors to RW as well, but we'll see what's what after his first year completes.

Agree Flynn likely moves on, but feel the yellow bolded is complete horse manure. Sorry.


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