HawkWow wrote:Both are arrogant and as much about personal goals as winning.
I couldn't disagree more with this part. What have you seen from RG3 that makes you think he's all about himself? He was very team-oriented at Baylor. He's about as natural of a leader as they come. Comparing him with Vick in this regard is insane.
HawkWow wrote:I totally disagree with almost your entire post. There is nothing strong about Vick. Quite the opposite. I'm certain RG3 runs and plays stronger than Vick. They both have a tendency to play off of their athetisism instead of staying in the safe confines of a pocket. Both have a tendency to see their first receiver covered, then refusing to see their 2nd, or 3rd option, take off running. Vick has been hurt, RG3 will get hurt. Both are arrogant and as much about personal goals as winning. I've heard very few people ever describe Vick's skillset as QB...complete. I don't think I've ever heard that, actually. Even in his youth at Atlanta, there were murmurings that he should be used as a wide-out or TB.
I don't know what to say about the "luck" of the Falcons in the context you use the word in. Schaub was clearly better than Vick. Vick just wasn't very good as a QB. They basically tradeda pro-bowl (x2) QB for two 2nd rd picks.
Coming off of injury, Vick went to Blank and his coaches and bitched that it was unfair to the line that they have to block for a running QB, then blcok for a pocket QB IF (LOL) he went down. Well, what went down was the trade to HOuston, where Schaub has played very well and often excellent, and Vick went to the joint. This left Atlanta totally screwed. Yes, they were fortunate to have picked Ryan, but imagine what they could have traded that pick for while keeping a more than serviceable Schaub?
This fascination with Mike Vick is about to run it's course as he ruins another team and costs Reid his job. Yet Vick still insists he is "one of the best players in the league". I do agree with one of your points, Vick is stupid. Let it be understood, I do not hate Vick the man. He made a mistake and more than paid his dues. I am happy for him he got the chance to fund his retirement. I just don't like him as a QB.
I do respect your opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.
Vick was very powerful, IMO. He was (at least early in his career), not just a guy who could make defenders miss, but he could bowl them over as well. Both Vick and RG3 have (or had in Vick's case) blazing speed, but Vick was much more elusive and complete running the ball. RG3 is mostly just fast. Really, aside from them being big threats to run, I don't see many similarities in their games. Vick never completely developed, but coming out of Virginia Tech, he had everything you could want physically. I think he would have been a generational player if he had been more mature.
I've never heard that story about Vick talking to Blank, but Vick was the easy choice to be starting at the time and when another team offers you two 2nd round picks for your backup QB, it's hard to turn it down. I've never been impressed with Schaub anyway. I seriously can't think of a single big game where he has carried his team to victory. I've also never seen a QB who gets so much of his production in garbage time. He has to be the most overrated QB in the league right now, and probably the most overrated since Donovan McNabb's peak years.