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Two straight QB sneaks when you have Beast, Turbo, and Robinson says that Bevell is still capable of bonehead calls. DO NOT get our QB hurt, Bevell.


Seriously. All of the playcalling and red zone improvement goes right out the window if RW goes down. I don't see Bevell being such a Maestro that he doesn't miss a beat even when all of a sudden it's noodle-arm Flynn under center.


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Yeah, aside from a couple of the aforementioned bad calls I gotta agree, pretty much loved what Bevell did today and I am one of his biggest doubters.


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Two straight QB sneaks when you have Beast, Turbo, and Robinson says that Bevell is still capable of bonehead calls. DO NOT get our QB hurt, Bevell.


Seriously. All of the playcalling and red zone improvement goes right out the window if RW goes down. I don't see Bevell being such a Maestro that he doesn't miss a beat even when all of a sudden it's noodle-arm Flynn under center.


So RW makes the OC job so easy EVEN A CAVEMAN CAN DO IT?


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I know that two out of the three times we punted Bevell called three consecutive run plays and three consecutive pass plays. If bevell mixes it up we are a hell of a lot more successful.


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How about some serious kudos for Bevell today? Felt like the playcalling was very well mixed up and had the Vikings D pretty backed up the whole game. First time we got 30 pts as well!

Or are we still trying to run the guy out of town?

Yup. He made some pretty nice playcalls today. Hope he continues to mix it up. No more run, run, pass.


If you look at the play by play for the game Bevell opened more series today with run run than he did in almost any of the other games so far.5 in the first half alone.4 of those resulted in first downs.The only failed attempt was the fullback dive on 3 and 1.
The funny thing about people complaining about Bevell doing that is the huge success rate we have on getting first downs when he does call that sequence.
In this game he started 9 series with run run and we got 8 first downs on those series.Granted we went for it on 4th down to ice the game.
There are only so many plays you can practice and execute properly with an offense this young and a rookie QB.It will take Wilson at least another season until he has total control and understanding of the wco.As he grows more of the playbook will open up to whoever will be calling the plays.


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As someone mentioned earlier on this thread, he's layering plays off of plays that have been successful early in the season. It's a headache for defenses to prepare for. I really enjoyed the majority of his playcalling today.

I've always thought the Bevell criticism has been a bit naive, and would encourage all of his detractors to actually call plays outside of a video game before you bash him too much.


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He looked better today aside from the head-scratching QB sneaks 2 in a row but he's had some pretty awful stretches in other games. I don't think we have to have business cards that say OC on them to direct some criticism his way. Hey, if it keeps on like today there won't be much more criticism.


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Every offensive coordinator has some bad stretches, calling for him to be fired and the amount of criticism that he's received this season has been utterly insane in my opinion. How often would people on this board rip Holmgren, renowned thorughout the league as one of the best playcallers EVER? Its totally an hindsight driven armchair quarterback thing.

The offense has improved steadily throughout the season. It's no mystery why his playcalling has been viewed as "better", he's been layering his calls with the foundation he set earlier in the season as well as the execution by the players improving. It takes two to tango.


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I love the calls for Sydney throwing. Such a great addition to the offense. I can't wait for his first TD throw!

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As someone mentioned earlier on this thread, he's layering plays off of plays that have been successful early in the season. It's a headache for defenses to prepare for. I really enjoyed the majority of his playcalling today.

I've always thought the Bevell criticism has been a bit naive, and would encourage all of his detractors to actually call plays outside of a video game before you bash him too much.


oh, so we've got an offensive coordinator right here amongst us that has actually called plays outside of a video game. nice. thanks for the insight.


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Who would have thought that Bevell would become a better play-caller when his QB learns the system better?

Aside from a few WR screens I thought he has been a good playcaller all season. Players weren't executing nearly as well.

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Thanks for missing the point. Its always a pleasure how people interpet statements.


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seahawk2k wrote:
Thanks for missing the point. Its always a pleasure how people interpet statements.


Kill em with kindness 2K. Thanks so much shane for adding substance to the thread.


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I got your point just fine. But it works both ways. Who are you to say he doesn't deserve any criticism and that other fans are naive.


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 Post subject: Re: Credit where its due: Bevell
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Thanks for missing the point. Its always a pleasure how people interpet statements.


Well, the comment did come off a bit snarky.

And, the playcalling has been downright awful at times. After the game, Pete went out of his way to laud the playcalling, which tells me Pete's been dissapointed as well, at times.


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 Post subject: Re: Credit where its due: Bevell
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Because the criticism is without logic or perspective. Traits of a naive approach to a topic. I could label it "arrogant" or worse, "Stupid", but that's just mean isn't it?

I think the defensive coaching is susceptible to far more criticism, as there have been a lack of schematic adjustments to how opponents are attacking them. Bevell is constantly adjusting and layering his playcalling.

It's totally result based, if the play doesn't work, then the play call must have been terrible, when chances are the execution failed. I find myself disagreeing with 3-4 of his calls a game, but I find it to be a matter of taste rather than myself being right and he being totally wrong.

On this board there is a greater emphasis on the offensive side of the ball on playcalling than execution, and thats naive.


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 Post subject: Re: Credit where its due: Bevell
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pehawk wrote:
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Thanks for missing the point. Its always a pleasure how people interpet statements.


Well, the comment did come off a bit snarky.

And, the playcalling has been downright awful at times. After the game, Pete went out of his way to laud the playcalling, which tells me Pete's been dissapointed as well, at times.


Of course it did, because people are far more likely to take a statement personally than actually think about it.

Snarky? Or honest?


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If you paid attenition, some of us have been very specific and not result based in criticism of Bevell.


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Blanket statements are naive. Not everyone that doesn't think Bevell might not be the best long term option at OC disregards the lack of execution.


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Yes, the valiant few, that bring reasoning to an emotional place like this, and I appreciate it, but you've got to understand a lot of it reeks of hindsight criticism, and that's something I just can't stand.

I do pay attention, as I read far more than I post.


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seahawk2k wrote:
Yes, the valiant few, that bring reasoning to an emotional place like this, and I appreciate it, but you've got to understand a lot of it reeks of hindsight criticism, and that's something I just can't stand.

I do pay attention, as I read far more than I post.


Well, all I can say, a lot of us have been critical both when the results made it easy to AND difficult to criticize. I'm a big critic, and I've routinely given him credit to.

Maybe when you wave the flag of "you don't understand what its like" when its easy AND difficult your posts will be read differently.

Not coming down on ya, just don't remember you being one way or the other.


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haha, calling me a front runner because I post this after a win? Really? I'm pretty sure I have, but I tend to not post on the long, volatile threads where everyone digs a trench, takes a stance and argues in circles.

But, fair enough, next time the Seahawks offense has a subpar game, or, we lose, since he got ripped last week by quite a few posters when the offense actually did pretty well, I will appease you and give detailed explanations why I disagree with the majority of the criticism so that the time after that there is an argument record of my opinion since thats how opinions and "credibility" is built on this board the last few years. And yes, that just was one long sentence.

I couldn't give a rats ass if you come down on me or not, I can handle it.

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I was a Bevell doubter but if the Seahawks start to put up massive points like this every week, no more.

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pehawk wrote:
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Yes, the valiant few, that bring reasoning to an emotional place like this, and I appreciate it, but you've got to understand a lot of it reeks of hindsight criticism, and that's something I just can't stand.

I do pay attention, as I read far more than I post.


Well, all I can say, a lot of us have been critical both when the results made it easy to AND difficult to criticize. I'm a big critic, and I've routinely given him credit to.

Maybe when you wave the flag of "you don't understand what its like" when its easy AND difficult your posts will be read differently.

Not coming down on ya, just don't remember you being one way or the other.


I'm also a Bevell critic as well and for the most part we've given Bevell props when he's done well. This aggressive playcalling is what most of us were hoping for from such a conservative coaching staff (Bevell included).
For poster who is bashing us Bevell critics keep in mind this game was against HIS FORMER TEAM AND PLAYERS and it was played AT HOME.

The Viking secondary was thin and can't defend the short passing game. Bevell clearly has an advantage in this game and did well as he should. Another advantage is that RW did very well too and his quick decisions and improvisation skills made the OC look much better.


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I liked the playcalling today. Exploiting matchups, getting the defense slanted one way then running the other, and generally keeping them off balance.

I'm not too worried about him getting Wilson hurt on the sneaks. QBs rarely take violent collisions on sneaks, certainly not as violent as regular knock downs when guys get a running start at ya. Also, Minny's DL was getting a lot of penetration against us, so I'm not too tore up about the sneaks. They were stuffing Lynch when they knew it was a run, and guessed the gaps.


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haha, calling me a front runner because I post this after a win? Really? I'm pretty sure I have, but I tend to not post on the long, volatile threads where everyone digs a trench, takes a stance and argues in circles.

But, fair enough, next time the Seahawks offense has a subpar game, or, we lose, since he got ripped last week by quite a few posters when the offense actually did pretty well, I will appease you and give detailed explanations why I disagree with the majority of the criticism so that the time after that there is an argument record of my opinion since thats how opinions and "credibility" is built on this board the last few years. And yes, that just was one long sentence.

I couldn't give a rats ass if you come down on me or not, I can handle it.

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Didn't say anything, nor doubt you can take anything. Just found it a tad overkill to say you shouldn't criticize, unless you've actually called plays before. I don't even like video games, so, I have no rights to criticize, I guess.


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Well apparently you would know that Bevell is a good OC if you did play video games because that's all it requires for that knowledge while thinking that he isn't a good OC requires real experience calling plays..


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All I know is these message boards are going to get a lot less traffic once they start enforcing the standard that we all must hold paid positions on an NFL coaching staff before we're allowed to comment. That is, except for particular posters who are exempt from that somehow? I'm trying to figure this out here and am having a little trouble. Ah well, one thing is clear, as long as nobody says anything negative about Bevell they won't come for us.


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Come on man, don't misquote me, I believe I said that I would encourage his detractors to call plays outside of video games before they bash him too much. No one is above criticism, but the criticism itself has been excessive. Maybe I should've been more specific, but I was talking largely to the people that say he should be fired and always find something he does to complain about. I've found that the people that take the strongest opinions in this world are the people that actually are the most ignorant and uneducated and its unfortunate that you took my comment personally as you weren't on my mind at all when I made that post. For that I apologize, as I'll be more targeted in my criticism next time.


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If it helps, people that've read my posts, know I never liked his hire. On a basic level, he made no sense after firing Bates and bringing in a Cable.

He did have a GREAT game today. Great game. I also posted how ballsy the NE GW TD was.


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God I wish we could play against the Vikings defense for the rest of the season. Bevell clearly is familiar with his old team.
He's also shown to add to his playbook as he studies other teams--this week it was bubble screens. Coming into this game Vikes were much more proficient at screening to Harvin. We not only took it away but we did it to them! This is so unlike Bevell it's truly inspiring!


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Best game i ever seen him call and best execution i have seen yet by the offense. Now its just time for these boys to get consistent at hanging up an avg of 28 per game least that is where i would like to see them.


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I'm pretty sure there were a couple comments I agreed with on page 1, but after a 2-page back-n-forth of mind-numbing yadda yadda, I forgot. I'll just say, I was dismayed by a couple calls in the 1st half and I was knocked out by a few calls in the 2nd. It was a great combination of creative, but sound, play-calling and creative, but sound, execution. Celebrate the WIN and hope for MORE!

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Bevell called a very good game, but what impressed me more was the preparation and execution by the players. The offense looked incredibly smooth and well synchronized. If it were basketball we'd say there were "in the zone." It reminded me of the Holmgren era when everyone on the team had to play perfect and the Seahawks were always among the least penalized teams in the NFL.


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