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Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:34 pm
  • We have to have someone better than him. He's getting killed.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:35 pm
  • WT3 should be back next week. He was close to being ready for this game but I think the extra week is good. Should greatly improve the middle coverages.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:41 pm
  • That's weird. I didn't know Trufant was our defensive coordinator. Man... that sucks that we have a player coach. He's stretched too thin. Even John Marshall could find out how to create mismatches for the d's favor. Trufant can't though. I guess we need to fire him and replace him as defensive coordinator. That's too bad Marcus that they run you out there on the field AND make you call the defense and create the defensive gameplan. It must suck to be so overworked like that.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:42 pm
  • I'm not an x's or o's guru or anyhing, but just based on the completions they were getting i'm thinking our middle linebacker is dropping to deep in his zones.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:45 pm
  • Trufant is really only responsible for the slot receiver, or the zone he's assigned to.

    Titus Young tore us up on shallow drag routes that went all the way across the field. Many times he was never lined up on Young.

    Trufant was assignment correct all night tonight, and had very good coverage. The receptions he gave up were mostly undefendable, and were spectacular throws by Stafford. Spectacular throws generally take time and good throwing lanes. Get pressure on Stafford, and we won't see those.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:46 pm
  • Everybody is dropping right where they are schemed to. That's the thing. The scheme is what it is, and teams have figured out how to beat it. This defense is about as creative as the dying years of Holmgren's offense. We might as well hire Monte Kiffin to coach it, because that's what they are running out there every week. That defense was picked apart years ago by the modified WCO. The coaches need to make the adjustments. Players are where they are told to be. Teams make adjustments so that we end up with awful situations like Clemons having to cover a TE multiple plays in a row on pass routes. That crap is unforgivable and heads should roll over that. Not Trufant's though. That's my thinking.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:46 pm
  • that, and sorry sharkhawk, trufant is not getting it done, but that's just one of many problems with this d, one of many...
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:47 pm
  • Tru is definitely the weak link of our top 5 DBs.

    Which makes sense, since he's our 5th DB. But he's also better than our 6th DB. And the only person who might be an upgrade, WT3, is injured and may or may not ever get back into game shape with the way he's been broken down.

    To be honest, we've spent so long desperately needing to upgrade our starting DBs that I'm just thankful we can afford to worry about our nickel CB.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:50 pm
  • most passes are to te or rb 7 yards from line of scrimmage right in middle.... trufant had a good game today i thought

    i think the problem is us playing zone to damn much... why dont we play man and let the safeties roam where they want?

    im tired of the tight end in and out routes against chancellor every week.. guarenteed catch every time
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:51 pm
  • The problem that i see with Trufant is that he is always in the position to make the play but never does. Because he is such a weak link the opposing qb looks to his guy first. He has confidence that his guy can beat Trufant. I was at the Patriots game and everytime Trufant was out on the field Brady looked to his guy first. And any time he chose to he could get those easy yards.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:54 pm
  • Seriously, those who are blaming the game on a 5th DB need to stop digging so deep. Are you guys aware of Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation is the most likely. The simplest explanation is we're being outschemed, not that our fifth freaking defensive back is out of position every play. Come on. Be realistic. Put blame where it belongs. We've been outcoached on 3rd and long. Trufant is the least of our problems. If the teams are figuring out to target him every time then perhaps our coaches need to figure out some better defenses. Even John Marshall figured out ways to take advantage of other teams, and he sucked the majority of the time.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:58 pm
  • SharkHawk wrote:Seriously, those who are blaming the game on a 5th DB need to stop digging so deep. Are you guys aware of Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation is the most likely. The simplest explanation is we're being outschemed, not that our fifth freaking defensive back is out of position every play. Come on. Be realistic. Put blame where it belongs. We've been outcoached on 3rd and long. Trufant is the least of our problems. If the teams are figuring out to target him every time then perhaps our coaches need to figure out some better defenses. Even John Marshall figured out ways to take advantage of other teams, and he sucked the majority of the time.


    Well-put. IMO 3rd and long is a coaching issue. We often play a fundamentally different scheme on 3rd down than on 1st and 2nd, which is incredibly counterintuitive when you're as good as we are on 1st and 2nd.

    I don't know how you fix it, but I would suggest they start by playing 3rd and long the same way they play 1st and 2nd and long.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:02 pm
  • Excellent points Shark! Players are responsible for an occasional play, but our ENTIRE season of third and anything failure is anything but Tru's fault.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:05 pm
  • Jesus fricking Christ, the player hate that some people have here makes me want to vomit, Trufant is why were losing is like saying Ungar doesn't snap the ball fast enough to beat the pass rush. Some people need their Keyboards locked up until they learn how the game is actually played.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:07 pm
  • That Unger comparison made me laugh Chris. Thanks. I needed the chuckle, especially after that mess! :)
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:11 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I'm not an x's or o's guru or anyhing, but just based on the completions they were getting i'm thinking our middle linebacker is dropping to deep in his zones.

    I ain't an x's or o's guy either, but Their QB had a LOT of time to find his open guys, and when he didn't?, he was killing our D with slants, and the job of the D coordinator is to see that, and make adjustments to counter that, and it looked to me like he had an empty bag he was reaching in, cuz he was coming out of that bag with nothing.
    And as for Trufant?, what the hell do some people expect?, for him to adjust for third down coverage all by his lonesome?
    Truth is, we could have had the worlds best instead of Trufant, and the outcome would have been the EXACT same'
    I'm getting tired of the excuses for soft play in the middle of our Defense, because it was exposed by the 49rs, and capitolized by the Lions,,We need to fix the problem, and quit makeing excuses.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:20 pm
  • I'm pretty sure it wasn't the scheme that allowed Young to get inside position on Browner for the game winning TD. You can't give up inside. Under no circumstances should a slant route beat you inside the 5. He should have taken away the inside and and used the sideline to his advantage.. To me this was entirely on Browner.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:22 pm
  • Yeah it was. It was a freaking ZONE. Browner said so on the post game. In zone the man plays right in front of you and slants KILL zones. It is a known fact. Crap, I coached 5th-6th grade football and would call the plays. We'd chew other teams up running the stupid slant pass on teams that were dumb enough to stay in a 2 deep zone, especially when you just needed a yard.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:22 pm
  • jlwaters1 wrote:I'm pretty sure it wasn't the scheme that allowed Young to get inside position on Browner for the game winning TD. You can't give up inside. Under no circumstances should a slant route beat you inside the 5. He should have taken away the inside and and used the sideline to his advantage.. To me this was entirely on Browner.


    I'm not as much of a scheme guy as I was years ago but how do you use the sideline to cover a slant? The player heads for the center of the field, never goes in the direction of the sidelines so you have no chance to get inside him.

    That's why slants work.

    You take away the inside and the receiver goes outside and walks into the end zone uncovered.

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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:24 pm
  • jlwaters1 wrote:I'm pretty sure it wasn't the scheme that allowed Young to get inside position on Browner for the game winning TD. You can't give up inside. Under no circumstances should a slant route beat you inside the 5. He should have taken away the inside and and used the sideline to his advantage.. To me this was entirely on Browner.

    The slants were working for Stafford all day long,,, our D coordinator screwed the pooch by not having coached his Corners to covering in those situations.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:28 pm
  • Corners play outside contain, Linebackers and safetys and nickels cover the inside depending on scheme, 3 seconds to read and react on a 3 yard route. It wasn't on Browner, being that close to the goal line you have to honor the run so the box was stacked as well, it was caught but you have to give credit to the Lions for making the play, it's not always us failing as much as them succeeding.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:33 pm
  • They succeed way too much on 3rd down. That's a problem with us. I'm seeing a trend when we give up every 3rd down play it seems. That isn't just another team succeeding, that is our team failing, and by our team... that falls on the coaching staff. They aren't living up to their expectations they are setting for themselves. Besides... there was a grounding on the play before that didn't get called and nobody will even acknowledge. Piss poor refereeing on that play.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:36 pm
  • I am confused by this word "aweful". Is it complimentary or disparaging??
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:37 pm
  • SharkHawk wrote:Everybody is dropping right where they are schemed to. That's the thing. The scheme is what it is, and teams have figured out how to beat it. This defense is about as creative as the dying years of Holmgren's offense. We might as well hire Monte Kiffin to coach it, because that's what they are running out there every week. That defense was picked apart years ago by the modified WCO. The coaches need to make the adjustments. Players are where they are told to be. Teams make adjustments so that we end up with awful situations like Clemons having to cover a TE multiple plays in a row on pass routes. That crap is unforgivable and heads should roll over that. Not Trufant's though. That's my thinking.

    Good post. I couldn't agree more. We play to prevent big plays and hope the offense makes a mistake when we have the talent to force the issue.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:37 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:I am confused by this word "aweful". Is it complimentary or disparaging??



    Do you watch NCIS LA?

    that's a "humble brag".

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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:39 pm
  • Maybe we all should just give credit where it is due. To the Lions O and Stafford. We took Megatron out of the game until mid 3rd qtr, held him to 3 catches all day. Stafford adjusted, and killed us with Pettigrew, Scheffler and Young. Maybe we beat ourselves by paying too much attention to Johnson?
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:42 pm
  • Did you see that we had Clemons covering Pettigrew for multiple plays? That's completely unacceptable. I give the Lions credit for finding that mismatch. I call Bradley a fool for not figuring something out and changing that situation. It is not ok to be outschemed play after play after play, especially when they weren't even running a hurry up. They were huddling... we had timeouts. We had half-time and adjustments STILL were not made. Unacceptable at this level. I'd find it unacceptable at the high school level and have seen high school coaches get the axe dropped on them for just such situations. Seriously.
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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:01 pm
  • The Radish wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:I am confused by this word "aweful". Is it complimentary or disparaging??



    Do you watch NCIS LA?

    that's a "humble brag".

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Re: Trufant is Aweful
Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:39 pm
  • Keep an eye on Hill. He is not having a good year.
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