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Re: Don't hold your breath for Flynn - EDW
Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:56 pm
  • jlwaters1 wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:This is beyond tiresome. The team is sticking with Wilson. I wish everyone could just embrace that.

    Wilson is a ROOKIE...and I have no idea why everyone expects 133.7 rating games each and every week.

    We have played a brutal first half schedule and Wilson has had to play some damn good defenses (Cardinals, Rams, Packers, Pats, 49ers). We have a chance to be 5-3 after this weekend with a favorable schedule in the second half. Wilson has been limited and we throw the ball less than any other team in the league. He's also shown his potential.

    We have been in every game and the margin of error is slim. Do you want to go back to the Mora team that got smoked every time we took the field?

    Wilson didn't get called for the penalty that negated a 50+ yard pass to Golden Tate that was a thing of beauty against Carolina. Wilson cannot do anything about Tate's incredibly hot and cold ways. Wilson can't help keep Doug Baldwin on the field. Wilson doesn't call the plays that only feature throws to our #1 WR twice in an entire game. Wilson did not drop 5 passes against the 49ers that could have seriously influenced the final outcome.

    Are there problems? Sure. But they are much more than just the rookie QB. I'd personally love to see what Wilson could do with a more talented WR pool.

    Through it all, Wilson has remained even keel.

    I just don't know what some fans really want here...


    good post, I agree. I'm excited to see how he does the remaining 9 games. I would be severely disappointed if we don't win 6 of the remaining 9 games.

    I'll chime in with 'great post Greg' too. I think there's problems with the pass pro holding Russ back some too, not just the WR corps. And yes, he's missed open guys as well. He's a rookie and he's learning. When there are issues in one area like we see in the passing game, it's rarely only one thing that is the root of all the problems. That is by far the biggest reason I get so weary hearing that Flynn will turn it all around, or at least the insinuation that would be the case. Um......no.
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  • m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..
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  • SeaChase wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..


    Come on guys.... everyone here is a fan, fans have different opinions. Everyone has a passion for the team and thinks different things are better for it. Accept others opinions....nothin wrong with debates.

    But I heard from a wise man questioning "fan cards" is the fast route to getting in trouble here. :2:
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Never said that, man. But SeaChase has been vehemently anti-Wilson the entire season, and I do wonder what his reaction would be in that scenario.


    I would like to see Flynn play, but im not secretly wishing a Wilson injury..thats screwed up.
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  • SeaChase wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Never said that, man. But SeaChase has been vehemently anti-Wilson the entire season, and I do wonder what his reaction would be in that scenario.


    I would like to see Flynn play, but im not secretly wishing a Wilson injury..thats screwed up.


    I never said anything about an injury, either. And just a side note... this ain't the Shack.
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  • SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I would rather replace YOU than Pete.
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  • Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?
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  • Largent80 wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I would rather replace YOU than Pete.



    Really? I figured you were a Jim mora Jr guy
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  • Just curious, does Pete get a pass if the team goes 7-9 or 8-8 because he's playing a rookie at QB? I live on the east coast so I don't have a finger on the pulse of the team. What are the thoughts of the local media? I know most ownerships get a little trigger happy at about three years of mediocrity.
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  • BALL HAWKER wrote:Just curious, does Pete get a pass if the team goes 7-9 or 8-8 because he's playing a rookie at QB? I live on the east coast so I don't have a finger on the pulse of the team. What are the thoughts of the local media? I know most ownerships get a little trigger happy at about three years of mediocrity.


    Media and some fans will rip him unless he goes 10-6. They don't care he's playing a rookie, nobody is even judging him as a rookie around here it seems.

    Ownership is patient, see's the vision, the big picture, knows where this team was and where he is going to take it.

    I tend to side with the ownership big picture point of view. The goal is to build a team that comPETE's every year.... we are a few players short of being one of the top 5 teams in the league imo.
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:I can't stand the people who would rather be right than see the Seahawks win games.


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  • chawx wrote:I'm just going to ahead and say it since a few are dancing around what they really want to say.



    :sarcasm_on: no wait... :sarcasm_off: ...

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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?



    Sure was a different forum after the Pats game...
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  • Largent80 wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I would rather replace YOU than Pete.

    this

    I am tired of this crap i am finding it hard to visit my favorit site on line due to posts by people that are simply knee jerk. Pete needs to stay, RW needs to stay for him to develop more. Flynn wont get the job so get over it the best man won the job.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?



    Sure was a different forum after the Pats game...


    yeah its kinda weird it seems to be different after every game.....weird :roll:
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  • m0ng0 wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?



    Sure was a different forum after the Pats game...


    yeah its kinda weird it seems to be different after every game.....weird :roll:



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  • SeaChase wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I would rather replace YOU than Pete.



    Really? I figured you were a Jim mora Jr guy


    If you are saying replace Flynn for Wilson, and saying replace Carroll?

    Hope that clears it up for you.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I wonder how many fans will be secretly disappointed if we finish with a winning record and a playoff spot under Wilson. :|


    They will be disappointed from their hospital bed after their shock siezure.
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  • Wilson has had his best games - and ( some would say) miracle wins - in the Clink. On the road, not so much. At this point, it's difficult to determine whether it's the Clink or Wilson that makes the winning difference. With our D and running game, almost any QB could hammer out a win in the Clink. It's the road wins that will push the Hawks over the top into the playoffs.
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  • chawx wrote:I'm just going to ahead and say it since a few are dancing around what they really want to say.

    People who don't like Wilson

    :sarcasm_on: no wait... :sarcasm_off: ...


    You aren't saying anything when you cloak it in 'maybe sarcasm, maybe not'.
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  • chawx wrote:I'm just going to ahead and say it since a few are dancing around what they really want to say.

    People who don't like Wilson

    :sarcasm_on: no wait... :sarcasm_off: ...



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  • If Wilson gets body slammed like Cutler did on that one sack last week , well Flynn could be in a series or two . Though thinking Lions fans shouldn't wish for that because of what Flynn did to them last year ... 6 td's
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  • Uffda wrote:If Wilson gets body slammed like Cutler did on that one sack last week , well Flynn could be in a series or two . Though thinking Lions fans shouldn't wish for that because of what Flynn did to them last year ... 6 td's


    Can't catch Wilson.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    Uffda wrote:If Wilson gets body slammed like Cutler did on that one sack last week , well Flynn could be in a series or two . Though thinking Lions fans shouldn't wish for that because of what Flynn did to them last year ... 6 td's


    Can't catch Wilson.


    Dude, I'm an ardent Wilson fan, but you know damn well Suh can catch just about anyone. The interior line is going to need to be on their game.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I wonder how many fans will be secretly disappointed if we finish with a winning record and a playoff spot under Wilson. :|


    Lol.......give us some credit dude. Even the most staunch Flynn supporters still want the Hawks to win.

    One of the problems this year is the NFC is really really tough with a lot of good teams. They're ain't no 9-7 team getting into the playoffs in 2012 in the NFC, they're might even be a 10-6 team on the outside looking in.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...


    I wonder how many fans will be secretly disappointed if we finish with a winning record and a playoff spot under Wilson. :|


    Lol.......give us some credit dude. Even the most staunch Flynn supporters still want the Hawks to win.

    One of the problems this year is the NFC is really really tough with a lot of good teams. They're ain't no 9-7 team getting into the playoffs in 2012 in the NFC, they're might even be a 10-6 team on the outside looking in.


    Flynn supporters weren't who I was thinking of when I posted that. There are people who support Flynn, and then there are people who are anti-Wilson. I think there's a clear difference between the two, even if there is sometimes some overlap.
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  • I'm confused as to why Carroll thinks our Super Bowl window is only 3-4 years with this young of a team? What the hell does that mean? Only thing I can ponder is that he thinks our windo will close due to salary limitations?
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  • Fox0r wrote:I'm confused as to why Carroll thinks our Super Bowl window is only 3-4 years with this young of a team? What the hell does that mean? Only thing I can ponder is that he thinks our windo will close due to salary limitations?


    The NFL is probably the most volatile league when it comes to player turnover. So even a young team can't rely on being good for 5-10 years, what with injuries, salary cap and key players aging.

    How long is Lynch going to last? Dude's 26, which is approaching old man age for a RB, especially backs that run like he does. Is our O-Line going to remain healthy? Are we going to be able to keep ALL of our great defensive players? Yeah it's great to have this kind of production out of 3rd, 4th and 5th round draft picks........but eventually those Pro Bowl type players are going to want to get paid.
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Re: Don't hold your breath for Flynn - EDW
Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:18 pm
  • SeaChase wrote:Maybe Pete should be replaced instead...

    Maybe your should find another team to be a fan of
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Re: Don't hold your breath for Flynn - EDW
Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:32 pm
  • SeaChase wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..

    What a crap of back track. You said Pete should be replaced. This has nothing to do with Flynn or Wilson. You have said that the Coach that has built one of the better Seahawk teams we have had should be replaced.. probably cause he hasent done what you wanted at QB. Go ahead get all self righteous. But the post was why Flynn may not be the starter and your response was that Pete should be replaced because he hasnt started your precious Flynn.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..


    Come on guys.... everyone here is a fan, fans have different opinions. Everyone has a passion for the team and thinks different things are better for it. Accept others opinions....nothin wrong with debates.

    But I heard from a wise man questioning "fan cards" is the fast route to getting in trouble here. :2:




    I'm not a very wise man, but can attest to rulings about fans/not fans comments not being accepted here.

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  • Wilson is the guy, ... even has more experience starting as a pro then Flynn now.
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  • rainger wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..

    What a crap of back track. You said Pete should be replaced. This has nothing to do with Flynn or Wilson. You have said that the Coach that has built one of the better Seahawk teams we have had should be replaced.. probably cause he hasent done what you wanted at QB. Go ahead get all self righteous. But the post was why Flynn may not be the starter and your response was that Pete should be replaced because he hasnt started your precious Flynn.



    So your saying if we dont make the playoffs again, under Pete, thats ok? 7-9,7-9, ?. I actually like everything Pete an company has done except at the QB position, which happens to arguably be the most important in football. "IF" this team doesnt make the playoffs it will be because of our Offense, which has been crap for the last 4 or 5 years. The running game is good and the defense is good, arent those things the key to success?

    At least this years team is in every game, but I feel like this team is better than that. All the 4th quarter comebacks? We should be ahead Not coming back.
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  • For what it’s worth, Mike Holmgren decided to build an “offense first” team…

    It took him four years and five offensive first round draft picks (23 overall picks). He drafted four QBs, also traded for one, and picked up two as free agents to finish 10-6; to go on that first one game play-off run with an offense he built from scratch…

    It took another two years before he would go deep into the play-offs…
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  • SeaChase wrote:
    rainger wrote:
    SeaChase wrote:[quote="m0ng0"]So anyone who thinks Flynn was a better play to start the year secretly hopes we lose now? Do we secretly hope for an injury also? WOW just wow !


    Im a fan regardless of who's playing QB..

    What a crap of back track. You said Pete should be replaced. This has nothing to do with Flynn or Wilson. You have said that the Coach that has built one of the better Seahawk teams we have had should be replaced.. probably cause he hasent done what you wanted at QB. Go ahead get all self righteous. But the post was why Flynn may not be the starter and your response was that Pete should be replaced because he hasnt started your precious Flynn.



    So your saying if we dont make the playoffs again, under Pete, thats ok? 7-9,7-9, ?. I actually like everything Pete an company has done except at the QB position, which happens to arguably be the most important in football. "IF" this team doesnt make the playoffs it will be because of our Offense, which has been crap for the last 4 or 5 years. The running game is good and the defense is good, arent those things the key to success?

    At least this years team is in every game, but I feel like this team is better than that. All the 4th quarter comebacks? We should be ahead Not coming back.[/quote]
    With the roster overhaul and what he inherited, Pete deserves more than 3 seasons. 1st season was a "let's see what we have"-type season. Last year saw us starting the youngest team in football (?). This season, almost all of our pieces are in place.

    What exactly do you think he should've done at QB? Who could we have brought in? Hass was asking for too much. Kolb? Lmao. Ponder, Dalton, Tannehill, Kap?

    We have a rookie QB that has all the characteristics and skills to be a QBOTF. You make it seem as if finding one should be easy and he should've had one day ONE.

    How long did it take Holmgren? Give up on him after 3 seasons (2 1/2, it seems like you're doing) and we wouldn't have witnessed the most successful period of Seahawks football.
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  • I have stayed out of the whole debate about who should start.I always thought Flyyn would start and thought he should have but I am happy as hell pete has proven to be a coach who picks a starter at QB and stands behind him, for the year at least.Every QB needs that especially if you have one that might develop into something special.
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  • justafan wrote:I have stayed out of the whole debate about who should start.I always thought Flyyn would start and thought he should have but I am happy as hell pete has proven to be a coach who picks a starter at QB and stands behind him, for the year at least.Every QB needs that especially if you have one that might develop into something special.


    I finally caught the SF-SEA game a few days ago.
    Yeah I'm sorry, a year on the bench cooker would have been great for RW imo. I'm sorry but he didn't play well. Too bad as the week before he had his breakout game finally. My concern has always been his inability to make his check-downs, mid-field and quick plays (adding: and reading defenses well...but that will come I suppose. He's a rook).

    But what also stunk was our D-line. Geez. SF attacked our D with high-school caliber play-calling and we didn't adjust well at all.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:This is beyond tiresome. The team is sticking with Wilson. I wish everyone could just embrace that.

    Wilson is a ROOKIE...and I have no idea why everyone expects 133.7 rating games each and every week.

    We have played a brutal first half schedule and Wilson has had to play some damn good defenses (Cardinals, Rams, Packers, Pats, 49ers). We have a chance to be 5-3 after this weekend with a favorable schedule in the second half. Wilson has been limited and we throw the ball less than any other team in the league. He's also shown his potential.

    We have been in every game and the margin of error is slim. Do you want to go back to the Mora team that got smoked every time we took the field?

    Wilson didn't get called for the penalty that negated a 50+ yard pass to Golden Tate that was a thing of beauty against Carolina. Wilson cannot do anything about Tate's incredibly hot and cold ways. Wilson can't help keep Doug Baldwin on the field. Wilson doesn't call the plays that only feature throws to our #1 WR twice in an entire game. Wilson did not drop 5 passes against the 49ers that could have seriously influenced the final outcome.

    Are there problems? Sure. But they are much more than just the rookie QB. I'd personally love to see what Wilson could do with a more talented WR pool.

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    Through it all, Wilson has remained even keel.

    I just don't know what some fans really want here...
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  • Kelly.Orr wrote:
    Are there problems? Sure. But they are much more than just the rookie QB. I'd personally love to see what Wilson could do with a more talented WR pool.



    I just don't know what some fans really want here...


    Ah yes, of course. We're now back to pointing our WR's as talent-less hacks (games prior however....well, you know).
    Do not agree, but you're entitled to (reposting others) opinions.

    Team as a whole here. This game was a divisional bruiser, and the Hawks didn't go into this with the fire necessary.

    But really? You don't know what fans want?
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?



    Sure was a different forum after the Pats game...

    Hey there, English! Spending less time here? I miss your posts.

    On topic: The team isn't perfect by any means, and it never will be. It needs a lot of tweaking, even in the defense. The Digits game was an accumulation of mistakes by every position group, and I think it's foolish to think that fixing one thing would have positively changed the outcome of the game, except for maybe the dropped passes.

    One of the things we have been pretty good at as a team is halftime adjustments. But we haven't been so good at adjusting later in the 2nd half. I'm almost a little afraid of taking a small lead into the 3rd quarter -- if we are behind, we seem to make more and better adjustments at the half. But if the other team starts coming on in the 3rd or 4th quarter, our adjustments seem a little more dicey.

    Anyone else notice this? Or am I just high on crack?
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  • BlueTalon wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:Isn't it "amazing" how winning can solve a host of issues?



    Sure was a different forum after the Pats game...

    Hey there, English! Spending less time here? I miss your posts.


    :)

    *but seriously, it's the same old story, we've got to win more road games. This team is capable.
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  • btw I do need to add - ANOTHER round of applause for Lynch this game. His fire was phenomenal, not a lot of but very hard earned yards.
    He and Gore battled.
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  • hawkfan1975 wrote:btw I do need to add - ANOTHER round of applause for Lynch this game. His fire was phenomenal, not a lot of but very hard earned yards.
    He and Gore battled.

    True that. I read some Digit fan comment that were very impressed with Lynch. One said something to the effect of, "NOBODY runs for over 100 yards on us! Lynch is in a league of his own."

    And Gore also impressed. To me, Gore is like Elway was in the mid-80's -- hated him on the field, but had to respect him in spite of myself.
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    49ers webzone: noise should not be the overwhelming reason a team is favored. they need to spray noise-damping foam onto the ceiling of that place.
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