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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:40 am
  • If it's any consolation, both the Rams and the Cardinals lost as well.

    I'll be watching tonite's game closely and so will the Hawks players. I think that having an upcoming opponent play a Monday night game before us is another great way for our players to prepare. Unlike gamefilm and coaching, hearing the announcers and watching the TV coverage is going to be beneficial.

    We will beat Detroit.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:06 am
  • I don't agree that SEA looked like the better team. In the first half, SEA was the better team. But SF was definitely the better team in the second half. It was just a close, physical game. SF made the better second half adjustments.

    And I think it is fallacy to assume that had the SEA WRs not dropped those balls, that those possessions would have resulted in TDs.

    Looking forward to Dec 23rd. Should be a great game. Hope SEA is still in it then, so SF can crush their dreams and season. Hey, its what rivals wish upon another :)
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:12 am
  • NorCal wrote:I don't agree that SEA looked like the better team. In the first half, SEA was the better team. But SF was definitely the better team in the second half. It was just a close, physical game. SF made the better second half adjustments.

    And I think it is fallacy to assume that had the SEA WRs not dropped those balls, that those possessions would have resulted in TDs.

    Looking forward to Dec 23rd. Should be a great game. Hope SEA is still in it then, so SF can crush their dreams and season. Hey, its what rivals wish upon another :)


    Actually on Turbin and Moore's drops they were likely going for 6 on the run after catch...
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:26 am
  • Can't believe we still have '9er fans trying to validate themselves in this forum.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:28 am
  • NorCal wrote:Looking forward to Dec 23rd. Should be a great game. Hope SEA is still in it then, so SF can crush their dreams and season. Hey, its what rivals wish upon another :)


    As will we…
    In fact I hope you guys are shooting for a home field advantage through the play-offs ahhh…
    For the exactly same reason :D
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:56 am
  • Great info as always.

    After looking at SF losses (and watching a lot of their games) I thought we really did have a good chance of beating them though it would be a tough game either way. The formula (though could be said to be easier said than done sometimes) is to get a little bit of a lead early and make Alex Smith have to beat us rather than them staying even or ahead where they can lean on Gore w/ some Smith easy throws sprinkled in. It does not appear SF is a team that can come from behind for a win, at least at this time in the season.

    I felt we were outplaying them in the first 1.5 qtrs minus the drops that were killing us. It really did feel like if we did not have those drops we would have been up a TD or 2 at least and IMOP the game would have followed the line of their minny or NY games. Unfortunately that was not the case and you can not let a good team hang around like that or they will eventually find their rythm. That was the most frustrating part to me that we could have won this game and we "dropsied" it away.

    As far as the future of the season, we really made life much tougher for ourselves but it is definately still doable. I personally think we win the next 4 games before probably dropping one to Chicago. We have the 10 days of so to recoup/prep for Det. Minny is going to be tough but at home I think we take them. Jets at home should be ours for the taking. Bye week to prep for the trip to Miami. Going into Chi town is always a bugger esp after just coming back from Miami and late in the season...ick. Also, we seem to do better against good O/bad to moderate D and not so well against good D/bad O.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:12 am
  • Navyhawkfan187 wrote:
    NorCal wrote:I don't agree that SEA looked like the better team. In the first half, SEA was the better team. But SF was definitely the better team in the second half. It was just a close, physical game. SF made the better second half adjustments.

    And I think it is fallacy to assume that had the SEA WRs not dropped those balls, that those possessions would have resulted in TDs.

    Looking forward to Dec 23rd. Should be a great game. Hope SEA is still in it then, so SF can crush their dreams and season. Hey, its what rivals wish upon another :)


    Actually on Turbin and Moore's drops they were likely going for 6 on the run after catch...


    As much as I hate to agree with NorCal , Turbin doesn't make it in. He would have been pushed out and the way our offense has been performing in the RZ, we probably get three.

    To me, the biggest drop was Tate missing the first down catch at the beginning of the second half. I'm not sure we would have even scored on the drive, but it changed the entire momentum and dynamic of the game. I don't think SFO scores a TD if we continue that drive and set the tone for the second half.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:16 am
  • VHawk wrote:Can't believe we still have '9er fans trying to validate themselves in this forum.

    It's cuz they can see what's coming and they don't like what they see.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:33 am
  • I like well thought out , respectful, and articulate posts from opposing fans who have detailed knowledge of their team, 9ers included. They are some of my favorite threads, good debate is great!

    As far the miners needing validation, I'm not so sure. They were 13-3 last year and this year they have the inside track to the NFCW crown. That's internal validation. That being said, they have the tougher part of their schedule ahead of them, and any 9er fan would be foolish to think another div championship is a foregone conclusion.

    As a niner fan, I too would be scared though....... We are young, close knit, and are getting better every week. Alex Smith has hit his ceiling, RW is just taking his first step up a long staircase.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:09 am
  • I disagree with Turbin. I don't think Moore makes it, but I think there is a good chance that Turbin does. I also think that those drops took the Seahawk offense out of rhythm. I expect Seattle's offense to get better and better as teh season goes. As the OLine gels and Russell improves, I think it could be a situation where they are playing way above their ranking by season's end.

    As far as Niner fans validating themselves. I do feel like they've come on after the game to chide us about the make up of our team. They still don't get how close we are. Telling us their coach is pretty much clearly better than ours. I will take our coach and GM combination over theirs any day. Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:04 pm
  • Thanks for the post. I also look fwd to it every week!
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:18 pm
  • VHawk wrote:
    Navyhawkfan187 wrote:I know on the Golden Tate nonPI it led to to get into an argument with Trey Wingo on Twitter when he said "Tate should never complain or ask for a flag because of the Monday Night game." I linked him the cold hard football facts blog breaking it down and he got mad at me and told me I worked at McDonnalds. Fun times.



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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:51 pm
  • Kearly, I too look forward to reading you post after each game. Was going into some withdrawals this week....

    Tough loss. Hardest part for me was watching them have their way with the run game. I really didn't think anyone could do that to this team, and if they hadn't we would have won hands down. I think a lot of it has to do with our rookie MLB, and congrats to SF for having such a great OL and a good game plan/half-time adjustments. I think that is something we can fix, but it was bugging the hell out of me.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:51 pm
  • Starrman44 wrote:As far as Niner fans validating themselves. I do feel like they've come on after the game to chide us about the make up of our team. They still don't get how close we are. Telling us their coach is pretty much clearly better than ours. I will take our coach and GM combination over theirs any day. Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.


    as to the Coach and GM...You like yours and we love ours...congrats to both franchises!

    As to Jenkins and James, really?
    Go ahead and look back at the draft and tell me with magical hindsight who you would have drafted...I like that we are developing a fast, agile WR without having to force him out there. And I LOVE having LaMicheal James waiting in the wings, dude was breaking ankles in preseason and we have the luxury of letting him learn the offense without HAVING to have him play right now. James is a game changer and a big part of the future of the Forty Niners.
    Heck, we also have a 4th round O-lineman in Looney who is waiting/learning along with last years draft pick at G Kilgore...Our Oline is already pretty good and young and yet we still are drafting a developing lineman for the future...
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:55 pm
  • Starrman44 wrote:Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.


    San Francisco returned all 11 starters on defense, as well as their top backups at CB, MLB, OLB, and DL. Randy Moss and Brandon Jacobs were signed to one-year deals, and Gore is 29, so they brought in a WR and RB with their 1st and 2nd round picks.

    There really isn't a position at which any rookie 4th round pick could reasonably be expected to beat out one of San Francisco's active players.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:02 pm
  • Ninerguy wrote:
    Starrman44 wrote:As far as Niner fans validating themselves. I do feel like they've come on after the game to chide us about the make up of our team. They still don't get how close we are. Telling us their coach is pretty much clearly better than ours. I will take our coach and GM combination over theirs any day. Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.


    as to the Coach and GM...You like yours and we love ours...congrats to both franchises!

    As to Jenkins and James, really?
    Go ahead and look back at the draft and tell me with magical hindsight who you would have drafted...I like that we are developing a fast, agile WR without having to force him out there. And I LOVE having LaMicheal James waiting in the wings, dude was breaking ankles in preseason and we have the luxury of letting him learn the offense without HAVING to have him play right now. James is a game changer and a big part of the future of the Forty Niners.
    Heck, we also have a 4th round O-lineman in Looney who is waiting/learning along with last years draft pick at G Kilgore...Our Oline is already pretty good and young and yet we still are drafting a developing lineman for the future...


    My basic premise is showing that we can sit and cast a critical eye on the Niners franchise and make fun of your coach treating it like college. I am admittedly being a bit facetious.

    Honestly, in the best interest of our Division, I hope you guys do well. Since we moved into the division it has hardly been super competitive consistently.

    I am just tired of some Niner fans coming on here and trying to tell us what we need to do. We are just fine. We are as happy with our team as you all are with yours. If we had won the game I would have tipped my hat and said you guys will be just fine, great organization, great team.

    The fact that we have tons of draft picks contributing is a testimony of our scouting and management. We know we are in a great position and look forward to establishing a rivalry with you guys. I'd rather hate the Niners than the Rams or Cards (and that's a compliment).
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:05 pm
  • Ninerguy wrote:
    Starrman44 wrote:As far as Niner fans validating themselves. I do feel like they've come on after the game to chide us about the make up of our team. They still don't get how close we are. Telling us their coach is pretty much clearly better than ours. I will take our coach and GM combination over theirs any day. Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.


    as to the Coach and GM...You like yours and we love ours...congrats to both franchises!

    As to Jenkins and James, really?
    Go ahead and look back at the draft and tell me with magical hindsight who you would have drafted...I like that we are developing a fast, agile WR without having to force him out there. And I LOVE having LaMicheal James waiting in the wings, dude was breaking ankles in preseason and we have the luxury of letting him learn the offense without HAVING to have him play right now. James is a game changer and a big part of the future of the Forty Niners.
    Heck, we also have a 4th round O-lineman in Looney who is waiting/learning along with last years draft pick at G Kilgore...Our Oline is already pretty good and young and yet we still are drafting a developing lineman for the future...

    if you look at their roster and depth chart, the 49ers really don't have any holes to fill. no player available at their draft picks would have been starting on that team. all the players they picked are stashed for the future most likely.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:09 pm
  • Starrman44 wrote: I'd rather hate the Niners than the Rams or Cards (and that's a compliment).


    Fair enough...I used to HATE the Rams but living up here in the PNW for the past 20 years and then having the hawks drop into our division and living here with hawk fans, well, I hate the hawks now(and that is a compliment as well) :thirishdrinkers:

    BTW, I also love that the NFC West is playing well, even though it makes it harder to win the division I do not miss all the NFC Worst crap we heard for years!
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:14 pm
  • GeorgeKush wrote:
    Ninerguy wrote:
    Starrman44 wrote:As far as Niner fans validating themselves. I do feel like they've come on after the game to chide us about the make up of our team. They still don't get how close we are. Telling us their coach is pretty much clearly better than ours. I will take our coach and GM combination over theirs any day. Draft picks are not like recruits. No need to redshirt them for a year. You can't tell me the Niners couldn't find somebody that could contribute in the slots they picked AJ Jenkins and LaMichael James. Our fan base gets upset if a 4th round pick isn't contributing somewhere.


    as to the Coach and GM...You like yours and we love ours...congrats to both franchises!

    As to Jenkins and James, really?
    Go ahead and look back at the draft and tell me with magical hindsight who you would have drafted...I like that we are developing a fast, agile WR without having to force him out there. And I LOVE having LaMicheal James waiting in the wings, dude was breaking ankles in preseason and we have the luxury of letting him learn the offense without HAVING to have him play right now. James is a game changer and a big part of the future of the Forty Niners.
    Heck, we also have a 4th round O-lineman in Looney who is waiting/learning along with last years draft pick at G Kilgore...Our Oline is already pretty good and young and yet we still are drafting a developing lineman for the future...

    if you look at their roster and depth chart, the 49ers really don't have any holes to fill. no player available at their draft picks would have been starting on that team. all the players they picked are stashed for the future most likely.


    Stephen Hill was available. Height, size, and speed. Already with three td's this year.

    Mostly my comments stem from a couple Niners fans coming in and letting us know things like our coach and qb are keeping us from winning.

    I really don't have a problem with you all stashing folks. Admittedly I breathed a sigh of relief when you guys passed on Hill, though.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:25 pm
  • Starrman44 wrote:
    GeorgeKush wrote:
    Ninerguy wrote:as to the Coach and GM...You like yours and we love ours...congrats to both franchises!

    As to Jenkins and James, really?
    Go ahead and look back at the draft and tell me with magical hindsight who you would have drafted...I like that we are developing a fast, agile WR without having to force him out there. And I LOVE having LaMicheal James waiting in the wings, dude was breaking ankles in preseason and we have the luxury of letting him learn the offense without HAVING to have him play right now. James is a game changer and a big part of the future of the Forty Niners.
    Heck, we also have a 4th round O-lineman in Looney who is waiting/learning along with last years draft pick at G Kilgore...Our Oline is already pretty good and young and yet we still are drafting a developing lineman for the future...

    if you look at their roster and depth chart, the 49ers really don't have any holes to fill. no player available at their draft picks would have been starting on that team. all the players they picked are stashed for the future most likely.


    Stephen Hill was available. Height, size, and speed. Already with three td's this year.

    Mostly my comments stem from a couple Niners fans coming in and letting us know things like our coach and qb are keeping us from winning.

    I really don't have a problem with you all stashing folks. Admittedly I breathed a sigh of relief when you guys passed on Hill, though.


    Hill had really good combine numbers, but he always seemed like a bit of a one-trick-pony to me. Doesn't really have good quickness (as opposed to straight speed), route-running, etc. Potential go-route, jump-ball deep threat, though.

    So far this year, he had a monster game in week 1, getting 89 yards on 5 receptions and 2 TD's in the Jets stomping of the Bills. However, since then, he's been pretty quiet.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:50 pm
  • NorCal wrote:I don't agree that SEA looked like the better team. In the first half, SEA was the better team. But SF was definitely the better team in the second half. It was just a close, physical game. SF made the better second half adjustments.

    And I think it is fallacy to assume that had the SEA WRs not dropped those balls, that those possessions would have resulted in TDs.

    Looking forward to Dec 23rd. Should be a great game. Hope SEA is still in it then, so SF can crush their dreams and season. Hey, its what rivals wish upon another :)


    I think SF dominated more when they dominated, but for a long stretch it felt like the Seahawks had the game under control, but couldn't turn it into points. My read on the game was that it should have been 20-6 Seattle going into the 4th quarter without the drops. That's the way the game felt to me. Smith looked badly out of sync the entire game save one drive. Wilson was dialed in during the first half but got killed by drops and eventually lost his rhythm because of it. The 49ers destroyed Seattle in the 4th quarter, but before that it felt like the game was all Seahawks momentum wise. They just couldn't cash in.

    Don't get me wrong: SF deserved to win, the way that both teams played, and that's what counts. I'm not trying to cheapen the win. I'm just saying that Seattle looked like the more talented bunch out there. Talented, but underachieving.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:17 pm
  • Navyhawkfan187 wrote:I know on the Golden Tate nonPI it led to to get into an argument with Trey Wingo on Twitter when he said "Tate should never complain or ask for a flag because of the Monday Night game." I linked him the cold hard football facts blog breaking it down and he got mad at me and told me I worked at McDonnalds. Fun times.


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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:36 pm
  • Seahawks dominated the first half but were unable to capitalize due to unforced errors (dropped passes). Niners dominated the second half and were able to capitalize on their one big opportunity by scoring a touchdown (the only one in the game).

    Lynch and the Seahawk O-line out-played the Niners D. Gore and the Niner O-line out-played the Seahawk D even more.

    The Seahawk passing game sucked. The Niner passing game sucked less.

    In summary, the Seahawks got outplayed. You can argue which team has the most talent or who will be better next year, but that is all meaningless speculation. One team (the Niners) executed on the field, beat the Pete Carroll Seahawks for the third time in a row, and is now in first place. Up to this point, the Niners have been the better team. That is all we know for sure right now. Cant wait until december to see these teams play again. Should be fun.

    Maybe the Seahawks will be the better team by the end of the season. But they have to execute on the field and have the mental strength to live up to their supposed superior talent. In addition, Pete Carroll and the Seahawk coaches have to out-scheme opposing coaches on a consistent basis. So far, he has not done that. Based on performance, I think you have to give the nod to Harbaugh as the superior coach RIGHT NOW based on the head-to-head record AND overall record.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:32 pm
  • Carhanu21 wrote:Seahawks dominated the first half but were unable to capitalize due to unforced errors (dropped passes). Niners dominated the second half and were able to capitalize on their one big opportunity by scoring a touchdown (the only one in the game).

    Lynch and the Seahawk O-line out-played the Niners D. Gore and the Niner O-line out-played the Seahawk D even more.

    The Seahawk passing game sucked. The Niner passing game sucked less.

    In summary, the Seahawks got outplayed. You can argue which team has the most talent or who will be better next year, but that is all meaningless speculation. One team (the Niners) executed on the field, beat the Pete Carroll Seahawks for the third time in a row, and is now in first place. Up to this point, the Niners have been the better team. That is all we know for sure right now. Cant wait until december to see these teams play again. Should be fun.

    Maybe the Seahawks will be the better team by the end of the season. But they have to execute on the field and have the mental strength to live up to their supposed superior talent. In addition, Pete Carroll and the Seahawk coaches have to out-scheme opposing coaches on a consistent basis. So far, he has not done that. Based on performance, I think you have to give the nod to Harbaugh as the superior coach RIGHT NOW based on the head-to-head record AND overall record.


    3 things.

    1. We were on the road. For NFC west teams, the motto is "suck on the road, good at home". Even more so for us Hawks (we gotta travel so far! It's a curse)

    2. We hung with you on the road. Props please?

    3. I think both teams were pretty even in terms of domination. One difference though. San Francisco cashed in their domination and such with points. We did not, at all. That is maybe the signs of the more experienced team winning out, we can only hope that fixes with time.

    All I can say for the Hawks is, maybe next game.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:06 pm
  • hawksfan515,

    I respect what you said.

    In response to point #1, the home/road element isnt gonna cut it in this argument becuase the Niners were able to beat the Seahawks last year IN Seattle. And that was late in the year when the Seahawks were playing well. Pete Carroll's squad has to prove that they can beat Harbaugh's squad in any setting, home or away.

    In response to point #2, I will give you props for fighting hard and putting a stiff competition. The Seahawks D is one of the best in the NFL, no doubt. Possibly better than SF but too early to be sure. Lynch is one of the best RB's in the league. Definitely better than Gore right now. I'm not a believer in Russell Wilson right now. Sure, he is a rookie but his season stats so far appear pretty sub-par even for a rookie.

    In response to point #3, yes it was pretty even overall. The main difference again was the mental errors and coaching, which are a big deal. The mental and coachig aspects are significant parts of what seperates contenders from pretenders. Personally, i actually like Carroll as a coach. He seems to be a good talent evaluator overall and does a good job of motivating his players. Just dont think he is quite in Harbaugh's class right now. Again, that doesnt mean things cant change. Players and coaches rise and fall all the time just like Roman Emperors.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:49 pm
  • "-Candlestick park was very quiet for most of the game."

    I was at the game (maybe you were too), but where I was sitting the fans were very loud most of the time when the Hawks were on offense. It's not as loud as the Clink, but for that crappy stadium (I hate that park) the fans were pretty classy in my area (south/west endzone) and they were pretty loud.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:11 pm
  • On TV it was very quiet until the 4th quarter.
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Re: Random Thoughts™ on the 49ers game
Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:26 pm
  • I was at the game. It felt like I was watching 2 pee wee teams. It was soo unexciting.
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