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 Post subject: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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Not saying it will happen, but what if the Hawks go entirely off the rails. And it's fairly obvious the coaching is the issue. What then? Is it realistic to envision a scenario that has Schneider remaining, after the President/HC who hired him, gets canned?

Obviously Paul Allen could do whatever he wanted as owner. Technically Paul could override anything and fire the president/HC and retain the GM.

Just curious.


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Absurd idea but Allen can do whatever he wants to his team. He could fire everyone including players I would suppose

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In the world of hypothetical anything can happen.....

Hypothetically we could win 7 straight Super Bowls.

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It could happen. The opposite could happen. I don't expect either.

I believe Pete is VP of Player Personnel, not president.

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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NFL coaches/management are kinda cliquey w/alot of unwritten gentlemen agreements and politicing to adhere to. So, I'm not sure if it ever could realistically happen.


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I'd hope both our over-rated coords would go first if anyone gets 86'ed.

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T-Sizzle wrote:
In the world of hypothetical anything can happen.....

Hypothetically we could win 7 straight Super Bowls.


Me likey this! :th2thumbs:


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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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We have a team with a winning record and victories over Dallas, NE, GB and Carolina... and you want to discuss the after effects of firing the head coach? A Coach that has helped build one of the top Defenses in the league from virtually nothing?

Losses are hard, but the sky isn't falling. I'm sorry we aren't going 16-0, but temper your expectations a bit.

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I don't see it getting that badly, but I would imagine it'd really depend on who the next coach would be probably. I imagine the new hire would have to be pretty in tuned with the GM.

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I'd hope both our over-rated coords would go first if anyone gets 86'ed.


Imo, this is the only way that Pete could get fired. If somebody from above said that we needed new coordinators and Pete refused to do it out of loyalty to his guys.

I dont expect it to happen though, and certainly not for the next 2 years.

I do expect Schneider to be here longer then Carroll though, just because of the relative age of the two. Schneider will pick our next head coach, imo. (Not saying that Carroll will get fired, just that eventually he'll move on or retire.)

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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Basis4day wrote:
We have a team with a winning record and victories over Dallas, NE, GB and Carolina... and you want to discuss the after effects of firing the head coach? A Coach that has helped build one of the top Defenses in the league from virtually nothing?

Losses are hard, but the sky isn't falling. I'm sorry we aren't going 16-0, but temper your expectations a bit.

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For real? You REALLY think that's what I want, or the point? If I could attack the poster I would say "an unimaginative douche". But I cant, so I wont.

I was curious given the uniqueness of their relationship. Not only did Pete hired him, but they seemingly share philosiphies. It's unique. So unique I couldn't come up with a similar circumstance.

I'll try to fit my thinking and posts within your comprehension or ability to ascertain. Obviously, just throwing out a "I wonder if" on a message board is to broad a thing for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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I expect Pete to take the team president role before I'd expect him to be fired.
The defense is all him and it's no joke.

I'm way more worried about Schneider skipping town back to Green Bay.

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T-Sizzle wrote:
In the world of hypothetical anything can happen.....

Hypothetically we could win 7 straight Super Bowls.

I like this hypothetical a lot better.

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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If things do go off the rails I suspect our offense will continue to be the weak link. If that happens, I can see Paul Allen wanting to bring in a "big name" offensive guy to address that side of the football and replace Bevell. Carroll would probably have the choice of sticking around as both the head coach and VP. It would even be portrayed as partly his decision to bring in the new OC.

I would be very surprised if Carroll is not with the team in 2013, and mostly surprised if he is not here in 2014.

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If things do go off the rails I suspect our offense will continue to be the weak link. If that happens, I can see Paul Allen wanting to bring in a "big name" offensive guy to address that side of the football and replace Bevell. Carroll would probably have the choice of sticking around as both the head coach and VP. It would even be portrayed as partly his decision to bring in the new OC.


Chucky would be insane but he'd never take an OC job.
....maybe....

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If Sarks boys continue to stumble, that's the name they nab.


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I believe it may just happen if Hawks' don't make the playoffs.

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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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If they miss the playoffs, with 7 or less wins, maybe. But highly unlikely, given Allen's history.

Replacing Bates with Bevell, could eventually be Pete's undoing, a year or so down the road. Ill never be convinced firing Bates WASN'T actually about making a strong push for McDaniels. Bevell was the "oops, umm, we didn't get Josh" hire.


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I wouldn't mind Sark calling plays over here, or even Doug Nussmeier who was the OC for UW last season and moved on to Alabama this season...I'm not entirely convinced that him leaving isn't at least partly to blame for the downturn in the UW Offense so far this season...


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man..... sometimes this place reeks of fear so bad i wonder if the twelve new posts are by the same person.

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Rockhawk and I just got word from Paul Allen that he is going to fire Pete Carroll and the entire offensive coaching staff.

He even gave us the date.

6 months after pigs fly.

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Rockhawk and I just got word from Paul Allen that he is going to fire Pete Carroll and the entire offensive coaching staff.

He even gave us the date.

6 months after pigs fly.

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Or 8 months later if said pigs learn to whistle. :mrgreen:


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If Sarks boys continue to stumble, that's the name they nab.



He just went against the worst D in the Pac 12 and scored 17 points.


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 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical: Could the Hawks fire Pete but retain Schneider
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Interesting hypothetical, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around what kind of situation could arise that would warrant Allen making a decision that radical. Understanding how loyal Paul is with his employees the only thing I’ve come up with would be some life threatening illness, which would, once again, effect a joint search for a new HC involving Pete, John, and Paul.

Even more interesting (to me anyway) is could they ever find someone that would be able to maintain the same atmosphere/philosophy Carroll/Schneider have now established here?

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To me the likely scenario is, PC finish's his contract and decides to move on or just retire. Do we keep JS then and find a new HC? If we do, will JS have significant input as to who the next HC is?


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pehawk wrote:
If Sarks boys continue to stumble, that's the name they nab.


I agree. He is the guy I would go after asap. The Trojan offense was dynamic when PC and Sark were running the show. We need that creativity on offense that made SC such an offensive powerhouse!


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