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Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:14 am
  • I've heard this term several times in the past about various athletes in various sports. Referring to a player's ability to come through and make big plays when in high pressure, end-of-the-game situations. Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Mariano Rivera, Adam Vinatieri, etc. As disgusting as it is, even Ben Roethlisberger has been mentioned as having the 'clutch gene' in that he has led several 4th quarter, come-from-behind TD drives.

    Is it too early to say that Wilson has the so-called 'clutch gene'? Obviously, it takes a whole team to lead those drives and make those plays, but a young rookie like Wilson usually falls apart in those situations. Wilson has had us in EVERY game at the end this year. In the two losses, he drove down the field and was making plays, if not for a couple of sort-of drops, we could have beaten Arizona. If not for McCoy slipping, we could have beaten St Louis. Against GB, he made a spectacular throw to the endzone that was CAUGHT by Golden Tate. Against NE, he made a fantastic read and got the ball where it needed to be for Sydney Rice to catch the game-winning TD.

    I think Wilson has the clutch gene. Hell, I think this whole TEAM is rife with clutch genetic material. What a special time to be a Seahawks fan!
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:18 am
  • I agree, it's definitely too early to call Wilson "clutch", but it's not to early to notice that he could be that Clutch guy back there that we've been so desperate for in Seattle for awhile now.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:02 pm
  • i noticed that too. looking forward to seeing where this team is headed....
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:12 pm
  • He might have it I am rewatching the game now and he look like he has to have it mean something to play big.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:59 pm
  • Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?

    Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.

    People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.

    I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:03 pm
  • volsunghawk wrote:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?

    Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.

    People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.

    I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The fact that he is still not having "complete games" is why I hesitate to call him clutch...I think that once he gets to be consistent throughout the game (Which I believe he will do), he can become that quarterback who can win a lot of close games late in the 4th quarter with comebacks and be the definition of clutch player, not just the overused cliche clutch guy
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:03 pm
  • volsunghawk wrote:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:09 pm
  • Fox0r wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.


    Eh, it depends for me. I guess this is an offshoot of other discussions I had regarding Vinatieri's value. I think I can accept a performance being called "clutch" if the person who gets that label wasn't responsible for the team being behind in the first place, leading to the NEED for a "clutch" performance.

    For example, if a QB throws 3 picks over the course of the game, leading to his team being in a 5 point hole with a minute to go, I don't see him as being "clutch" if he leads the team on a final drive for the win.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:14 pm
  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Fox0r wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.


    Eh, it depends for me. I guess this is an offshoot of other discussions I had regarding Vinatieri's value. I think I can accept a performance being called "clutch" if the person who gets that label wasn't responsible for the team being behind in the first place, leading to the NEED for a "clutch" performance.

    For example, if a QB throws 3 picks over the course of the game, leading to his team being in a 5 point hole with a minute to go, I don't see him as being "clutch" if he leads the team on a final drive for the win.


    I pretty much agree with what you're saying as far as any individual performance is concerned, but what do you think about the guy who consistently is able to make that game winning drive or nail that game winning FG, no matter who put them in the hole, year after year?
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:17 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    Fox0r wrote:
    The definition of "clutch". It doesn't matter what was done prior to the moment. In the moment, when it mattered most, he was clutch.


    Eh, it depends for me. I guess this is an offshoot of other discussions I had regarding Vinatieri's value. I think I can accept a performance being called "clutch" if the person who gets that label wasn't responsible for the team being behind in the first place, leading to the NEED for a "clutch" performance.

    For example, if a QB throws 3 picks over the course of the game, leading to his team being in a 5 point hole with a minute to go, I don't see him as being "clutch" if he leads the team on a final drive for the win.


    I pretty much agree with what you're saying as far as any individual performance is concerned, but what do you think about the guy who consistently is able to make that game winning drive or nail that game winning FG, no matter who put them in the hole, year after year?


    Ah, see that's the key. I think if a guy is showing that the moment isn't too big for him and can keep his head when the intensity is ratcheted up, that's a great trait.

    It's when that guy has a tendency to botch things on a regular basis during the first 3 quarters of a game that I have issues with the "clutch" moniker.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:49 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?

    Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.

    People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.

    I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The fact that he is still not having "complete games" is why I hesitate to call him clutch...I think that once he gets to be consistent throughout the game (Which I believe he will do), he can become that quarterback who can win a lot of close games late in the 4th quarter with comebacks and be the definition of clutch player, not just the overused cliche clutch guy


    LMAO. No, Wilson isn't clutch. He can't be CLUTCH as an unproven rook. YOutube highlights of all his game-winning drives are mere propaganda and his last minute heroics for the Seahawks are illusions.
    Bevell is the true hero who instructed Wilson how to throw that slow-azz fade to Braylon with perfect timing on 4th down with the game on the line. Bevell was the one who had a hunch Rice would be open on the post route beating two defenders--all Wilson had to do was throw the ball 50 yards in the air just as Rice came out of his break. (that's sarcasm for Wilson-haters who can't discern the truth)

    Seriously, does clutch mean you have to be consistent all game long? Would there be late game heroics or opportunities to be clutch then? Some of you are better off arguing the definition of "IS" than the definition of "CLUTCH" when you contend that clutch should mean being consistent throughout the game as much as holding that dagger in the end. Point is having the resolve and will to finish is all that matters in being clutch. The killer play that produces a 'W' is what matters in being clutch not 395 yards of passing. This game was a fine example for those who don't know what clutch looks like.
    Consistency is the next step for this ROOKIE and based on his progress he's ahead of most (including both Brady and Brees).
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:52 pm
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:Why is it that so many people who get that "clutch" label so often screw up in the 80% of the game prior to "clutch" time, which leads to the need for them to be "clutch" in the first place?

    Vinatieri kicked a game-winning FG against the Panthers in 2003, yeah. He also missed 2 FGs earlier in that game, meaning that if he had just taken care of it when he did, no "clutch" kick would have been necessary.

    People talked all last season about how Tebow played late in 4th quarters and how "clutch" he was, while conveniently ignoring that he was complete garbage in the 3 quarters prior.

    I think the entire "clutch" thing is overused, and the term isn't even useful anymore. What Wilson did was handle the pressure of the moment well, and he seems to excel at not getting flustered late in games.


    The fact that he is still not having "complete games" is why I hesitate to call him clutch...I think that once he gets to be consistent throughout the game (Which I believe he will do), he can become that quarterback who can win a lot of close games late in the 4th quarter with comebacks and be the definition of clutch player, not just the overused cliche clutch guy


    LMAO. No, Wilson isn't clutch. He can't be CLUTCH as an unproven rook. YOutube highlights of all his game-winning drives are mere propaganda and his last minute heroics for the Seahawks are illusions.
    Bevell is the true hero who instructed Wilson how to throw that slow-azz fade to Braylon with perfect timing on 4th down with the game on the line. Bevell was the one who had a hunch Rice would be open on the post route beating two defenders--all Wilson had to do was throw the ball 50 yards in the air just as Rice came out of his break. (that's sarcasm for Wilson-haters who can't discern the truth)

    Seriously, does clutch mean you have to be consistent all game long? Would there be late game heroics or opportunities to be clutch then? Some of you are better off arguing the definition of "IS" than the definition of "CLUTCH" when you contend that clutch should mean consistent throughout the game as much as holding that dagger in the end. Point is holding that having the resolve and finishing is all that matters to be clutch. The killer play that produces a W is what matters in being clutch not 395 yards of passing. Consistency is the next step for this ROOKIE and based on his progress he's ahead of most (including both Brady and Brees).


    He's had some clutch plays, I'm not saying he hasn't, but he's had some games he could have easily won at the end (Rams and Cardinals) where the "clutch" player would win. I give him props for the wins he's gotten and his late play in those games, but I think it takes more time to actually build a reputation as a clutch NFL qb than a 6 game career
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:57 pm
  • Agree that his NFL career is young at 6 games. He's produced opportunities even though he hasn't finished all the time. Even the best of the best won't. To name a few legends: Favre, Manning, Brady and Brees probably had not produced as many come-back opportunities in any consecutive 6-games of their rookie season.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:01 pm
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:Agree that his NFL career is young at 6 games. He's produced opportunities even though he hasn't finished all the time. Even the best of the best won't. To name a few legends: Favre, Manning, Brady and Brees probably had not produced as many come-back opportunities in any consecutive 6-games of their rookie season.


    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to lessen any of Wilson's growing achievements. I really like his progress so far. Heck, I'm not even saying he's not clutch...I agreed with the OP that I think he has that ingrained ability. I just want to see a player (any player really) have a bit more of an NFL career before labeling them with titles like clutch or All pro or any other such titles lauded on the best of the best
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:08 pm
  • Not saying he is at the level of any of these greats but Wilson has been there and done that countless times despite being a rookie. How many QB's can say they feel comfortable leading a comeback drive as a rookie? And seriously when do you declare that his body of work is sufficient to produce a reputation for being clutch if even his college games don't count?
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:14 pm
  • That 'it' factor everyone is talking about is 'clutchness'. It is confidence and poise that playmakers exude... It doesn't surprise Wilson because he's been there countless times. I have doubted his talents and his preparedness many times but his courage, poise, maturity and desire to win is something i have not doubted.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:15 pm
  • If a team is down by four & the QB leads the team down the field, only for the WR to drop the GW touchdown as time expires, is the QB considered "not clutch"?

    Or if a team only is down by two points/less or tied and the kicker misses the potential GW FG as time expires, is the QB considered "not clutch"?

    Regarding volsunghawk's post, as for Eli and all of his GW drives/4th quarter comebacks, has anyone ever calculated his passer rating in the first three quarters compared to the fourth quarter? It would be interesting to see if he was simply "average" for the majority or actually played bad enough to hurt his team.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:20 pm
  • "Clutch gene" is something ESPN invented because their analysts don't know enough about sports to talk about what happened on the field. Brady had the clutch gene in 2002 – what did it do, wear off in 2008? The Mavericks won the championship because Lebron doesn't have the clutch gene. Wait, I got confused for a second... he just won so he has it now. It's not convenient for luck to be involved in sports because they can't sell that narrative. So when a guy makes a good play, he's clutch. If the defense makes a better play, he's not.


    Some guys get flustered under pressure. They're not clutch. Ok, I can go along with that. Many more guys at the professional level do *not* get flustered under pressure. They're clutch. Great. When you start moving them around based on whether they won or lost, it loses any meaning. Honestly, I thought we already knew which kind of guy Wilson was based on his play in the first four weeks.
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Re: Clutch gene
Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:49 pm
  • aku wrote:"Clutch gene" is something ESPN invented because their analysts don't know enough about sports to talk about what happened on the field. Brady had the clutch gene in 2002 – what did it do, wear off in 2008? The Mavericks won the championship because Lebron doesn't have the clutch gene. Wait, I got confused for a second... he just won so he has it now. It's not convenient for luck to be involved in sports because they can't sell that narrative. So when a guy makes a good play, he's clutch. If the defense makes a better play, he's not.

    Exactly. And because "clutch" opportunities in playoff games are so scarce, players often remain with a "clutch" or "not clutch" label throughout their careers based on one or two games where they played better or worse than usual. John Elway used to be the guy who couldn't win the big one until he won it. Then when he won it, and Peyton Manning took that label. Then Manning won it, and Drew Brees took that label. Then Brees won it, and Aaron Rodgers took that label. And so on.
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