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 Post subject: Re: NFL Primetime Hates The Seahawks
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Wow HawksFTW, did Berman sleep with your wife or what?

I was just talking to my neighbor and we both went on and on about how awesome Primetime used to be with Berman and Jackson. The funny one-liners, the quick quips and highlights always made Mondays awesome. Now you have to be subjected to Merrill Hodge's love fest with himself ("ooooooh!! oooooooh!! Camera time!!") and sideline interviews from a reporter talking about a game that won't be played for another 7 hours.

Does anyone know why Berman is no longer doing Primetime?


I don't disagree that Berman USED to be funny. His routine has not aged well, IMO. Nowadays he doesn't offer any insight or relevant observations, and is basically just a parody of his old self. When the best thing he has going is thinking up outdated nicknames for players, and the :sarcasm_on: ageless WHOOP :sarcasm_off: I just don't think anyone is missing much when he loses air time.

I also don't disagree that the rest of the on air talent ESPN has is pretty putrid, that is big reason why I stopped watching a handful of years ago. The only time I tune in is game time; if I want highlights I go to NFLN, or the internet. There is literally nothing ESPN does better than anyone else, and on top of that the long standing ignorance of anything Seattle related, it makes it easy to ignore ESPN as a whole.

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Berman is a gin blossomed relic. His show of yester year was awesome, but all good things must end. Besides, if you insist on highlights, NFL.com is the place.

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I always thought that Berman was the biggest Seahawks supporter/advocate on that channel after John Clayton. Maybe I only saw the times when he was talking us up.


Total fan of the Hawks. "Come on Seattle....Come ON Seattle..." LOL...Loved it.

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Aros wrote:
Agreed. By far the best sports-related highlight show bar none. I really, really would like to know why ESPN destroyed it.


Part of the broadcast deal a few years ago that moved MNF to ESPN and SNF to NBC was that NBC would get to show the most highlights first as part of their pregame show (a requirement that seems to have been relaxed some in subsequent years) as the league was focusing on making the Sunday night game their marquee game of the week since it had moved to network TV and MNF was on cable. Having the old NFL Primetime with Berman and Jackson air at 4:30pm before the Sunday night game was no longer feasible, so rather than carve out an hour or so after the game, they incorporated those two I to Sportscenter and called it "The Blitz," while moving "NFL Primetime" to the following afternoon and staffing it with their "B" team. That's what I was told, at any rate. All I know for sure is that the switch was made the year Sunday Night Football went to NBC.

I miss the old NFL Primetime, too. Nowadays your best chance to Seahawk highlights is the "Gameday Highlights" show that runs and re-runs during the Sunday night game. They had a fair number of highlights from the Seahawks-Panthers game, whereas by the time they got to "Gameday Final" after they SNF game they only showed Wilson's pick six and TD pass.


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Aros wrote:
Apparently.

Why did the suits at ESPN decide to destroy what used to be my favorite sports show by cutting Chris Berman and add the three on the show now? Not only do they spend half the show breaking down plays from what they consider the most important games from the day before (see: East Coast Teams), but they don't even show all of the games (see: Any Game The Seahawks Played In).

I waited and waited and realized at 58 minutes in that they weren't even going to bother showing highlights from the Seahawks/Panthers game.

What a joke. ESPN you douches. Bring back Berman and make the hour the highlights of ALL the games played.


Way, Way WAY back, when you were the Rock Legend of High School, NFL Primetime was solid. I say this, assuming you didn't have time for the details of football with the fame, girls and overall status as one of, if not the most talented kids in the area.

Berman ALWAYS mentioned the Hawks, the early Swami days, he had some sort of Seahawk love in that he was usually picking them to win games when Jackson wouldn't give them a second look unless it was a game against the Broncos.

They went over every game, it was religion for us, as early Fantasy Football owners it was the only way to get the scoring info before the Monday AM newspaper. Not only did those guys go over every game, they nearly addressed every score.

Prior to marriage or moving in with the soon to be wife, myself and names you know sat around on Sunday, unshowered after Gaddis let us into Jasper's the night before without showing ID. We couldn't miss any of the games, so still no shower, just beer and the pizza we ordered the night before just so we could eat it cold during the games.

There was always this plan to shower in that time before the 5pm ESPN or TNT game came on. NFL Primetime ruined those plans, it was like watching all the games in an hour. All the good plays with little BS in between, not even the Dyna-Niners got a big segment that sucked time away from another game.

I miss those days for sure, Primetime was few commercials and very informative, along with Berman in his prime, almost losing his voice doing his job and making it easy to put up with Theisman and Dan Patrick calling the evening game.

Bring it Back!

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We will get plenty of air time after this week's game cuz we are playing the NFL's Golden Boy, Tom Brady. :pukeface:


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Oh please please please please make a statement against NE so they're forced to talk about it. Meh, they'll just say "what's wrong with Brady?" anyway.

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We will get plenty of air time after this week's game cuz we are playing the NFL's Golden Boy, Tom Brady. :pukeface:


The Seahawks defense wants to destroy something beautiful. Sunday will not be a good day to be Tom Brady.

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Oh please please please please make a statement against NE so they're forced to talk about it. Meh, they'll just say "what's wrong with Brady?" anyway.


Exactly! Sickening....


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Way, Way WAY back, when you were the Rock Legend of High School, NFL Primetime was solid. I say this, assuming you didn't have time for the details of football with the fame, girls and overall status as one of, if not the most talented kids in the area.


LMAO! I forgot you knew me from High School days. Oh God I miss the days I had hair and girls actually looked at me. Sigh... :)

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Prior to marriage or moving in with the soon to be wife, myself and names you know sat around on Sunday, unshowered after Gaddis let us into Jasper's the night before without showing ID. We couldn't miss any of the games, so still no shower, just beer and the pizza we ordered the night before just so we could eat it cold during the games.


The fact that you brought up Tony Gaddis' name on .NET earns you ridiculous bonus points. (Everybody else says "wha?")

Clearly I've hit a nerve. The show - in its original format - is missed dearly. Thank you too Will btw, for the explanation....

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We will get plenty of air time after this week's game cuz we are playing the NFL's Golden Boy, Tom Brady. :pukeface:


We could shut the Patriots out...have 20 defensive TD's, 32 sacks and the story would still be "Brady and the Patriots Let One Slip By in Seattle".

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Part of what's working against us is that even if we turn out to have a great year, it's 100% going to be because of the awesome defense, and defense just doesn't sell as well on highlight reels.

It's not purely the nation yawning at us because we're Seattle. If we had kept TO (not that I wanted to) and Wilson-to-TO was going well, we'd be getting way more press even if the result was the same W/L record.


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I still think we should bring TO back.

(I can't believe I just typed that).

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I like Berman, still a class act in a business now dominated by arrogant ex players.

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I like Berman, still a class act in a business now dominated by arrogant ex players.


Indeed. I can't watch NFL Network because of Sanders and Irvin. They may have football smarts but they are painful to watch. Two humans that think their shit don't stink.

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Embrace the hate, Aros. It will make the honey sweeter.


Wilson is the Kwisatz Haderach. The seahawks shall topple the house of espn and bathe in the blood of the cowboys and giants.


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"Long Live the Fighter!!"

BTW, I am with you Aros regarding NFLN. Just cannot watch it. All the former players on the show think their stuff doesn't stink. Too much elitism. Irving and Sanders are usually either panning the Cowboys for not dominating or tooting their horn when they play well. I think NFLN just wants to have the market on HOF players doing studio work.

Lot of folks like NFLN but to me they are just as bad as ESPN. Would love them if I was from NY, Boston, Dallas, Green Bay or Philly.

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We will get plenty of air time after this week's game cuz we are playing the NFL's Golden Boy, Tom Brady. :pukeface:


The Seahawks defense wants to destroy something beautiful. Sunday will not be a good day to be Tom Brady.


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I like Berman, still a class act in a business now dominated by arrogant ex players.


Indeed. I can't watch NFL Network because of Sanders and Irvin. They may have football smarts but they are painful to watch. Two humans that think their shit don't stink.

Rodney Harrison on NBC may be the worst of all of them.

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I just watch NFL.network haven't been able to stomach ESPN for 3-4 years at least.

True. I quit listening to them all together. Sports radio and podcasts are the way to go.


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NBC bought the exclusive rights to have a "highlights" type show immediately after the action.. that's why ESPN's format is so different now.

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That's right...Like Shadowhawk said...I get it but it still stinks.

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That's right...Like Shadowhawk said...I get it but it still stinks.


Totally agree. Loved NFL Primetime. Everything from the "whoop!" to the sick music playing underneath the highlights.

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I miss the old Primetime format too. Just changd my cable package... what are the times/channel names of the NFL Network highlights shows?
If I can also find a bar down here in Oly that has that channel, it would be a great Sunday-night hangout.


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Apparently.

Why did the suits at ESPN decide to destroy what used to be my favorite sports show by cutting Chris Berman and add the three on the show now? Not only do they spend half the show breaking down plays from what they consider the most important games from the day before (see: East Coast Teams), but they don't even show all of the games (see: Any Game The Seahawks Played In).

I waited and waited and realized at 58 minutes in that they weren't even going to bother showing highlights from the Seahawks/Panthers game.

What a joke. ESPN you douches. Bring back Berman and make the hour the highlights of ALL the games played.

I have given up on all the tv shows other than the fox pregame. I come to the net now for my info. TV sucks.

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I like Berman, still a class act in a business now dominated by arrogant ex players.


Indeed. I can't watch NFL Network because of Sanders and Irvin. They may have football smarts but they are painful to watch. Two humans that think their shit don't stink.

Don't forget Faulk. He's as unwatchable as the other two. His constant and endless Seahawk hate makes me want to :pukeface:

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Todd, I hate to be a butt, but this is kinda naive. ESPN isn't going to adjust its programming for Seattle fans any more than a fancy restaurant would adjust its cooking for homeless people. Not its primary source of revenue.

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Todd, I hate to be a butt, but this is kinda naive. ESPN isn't going to adjust its programming for Seattle fans any more than a fancy restaurant would adjust its cooking for homeless people. Not its primary source of revenue.


Can't we at least get a happy hour?


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Todd, I hate to be a butt, but this is kinda naive. ESPN isn't going to adjust its programming for Seattle fans any more than a fancy restaurant would adjust its cooking for homeless people. Not its primary source of revenue.


Can't we at least get a happy hour?


Sorta like how the "moderates" get squeezed out of the media coverage by the extremes of the left and right. Engage people's passionate emotions, get them drawn in; if you watch the show but hate the egotism of Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin, well at least you're passionate about something.

And like the ESPN non-coverage of anything involving the TOUCHDOWN where Seattle beat Green Bay that didn't support their *agenda*, which is to drive hits and eyeballs to their site, by choosing an angle to engage and inflame and get people passionate, based on their emotions, facts be damned.

Sigh... I suppose there are legit, moderate, high-information-content NFL-related programs out there somewhere. Nah, too boring. Never mind. Trash talk and putdowns and East Coast bias sells better to the masses.


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Watched Primetime yesterday. They made sure to suggest a push-off on Edwards on his TD without showing a replay.

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Watched Primetime yesterday. They made sure to suggest a push-off on Edwards on his TD without showing a replay.


Trey Wingo was the guy that did that. What a d-bag.

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NBC bought the exclusive rights to have a "highlights" type show immediately after the action.. that's why ESPN's format is so different now.


Ok. But why is the rest of ESPN during the week the exact same? Over the past year or so , ESPN has ditched showing highlights of games in favor of talking heads yelling at eachother and debating mostly the one or two big stories of the day/week. It's beyond obnoxious. I used to think it was hard to find Hawks highlights on Sportscenter years ago. Now it's nearly impossible. Sportscenter, NFL Primetime, doesn't matter what show. They're all now 90% talking heads, 10% actual game highlights. And the few actual highlights they show tend to be the same one or two headline games a week. It's beyond garbage now. SCREW ESPN. Apparently they've been taken over by the producer of Fox News.


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Watched Primetime yesterday. They made sure to suggest a push-off on Edwards on his TD without showing a replay.


Trey Wingo was the guy that did that. What a d-bag.


Wingo is a MASSIVE douche. I have always hated him. The pushoff remark (especially in light of him continuing to not let up on the Tate-GB play) made me want to break something. Condescending East coast prick.

PS - Wingo grew up in Greenwich, CT. Butt hurt Pats fan, you think?


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ESPN used to be a rogue network, do things their own way, when they got bought out they stopped being original and became rubber stamp, kept Berman on mostly because of his name but stashed him in small roles for the network. Think about how many of their people left and went other places because of criticisms about how things changed.

When the big three could not beat them they went and bought them, once ESPN got NFL broadcast rights.

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