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 Post Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:51 pm 
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Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

I like our chances.

I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.


But jizzelle (sp) has already prayed to the football gods and Tim Tebow for a double-u.

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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.

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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on?

And more importantly, where do they buy their koolaid? We've got a really good shot to win this game at home, but this should be the second hardest game on our schedule this year, behind the SF road game. The Cardinals held them to 18 points. We've only scored more than 18 points in one game this year. If our redzone offense executes, we win this. But so far that hasn't happened. It's gonna be close.


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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.

Well, I expect to be nervous for 4 quarters, it is the 2012 Seahawk way.
For me, the game comes down to one thing, can the Hoodie do something unexpected? Our one weakness of D this year has been the death by 1000 cuts short yardage offense, the style Kolb ran, the style Rodgers used to come back on us. But the ability if the hawks to adjust to the line of scrimmage option game has me encouraged that we can cloud the issue enough. Brady is great in that 8 to 15 yard game outside the numbers, which is where our pass rush has to be disruptive.

There is one certainty. Win or lose, the Pats will leave Seattle bloodied. That sentiment might be behind most of the exuberance.

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Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

I like our chances.

I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.


Wow, blasphemy, and I like it :D

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Look at the weather, probable rain and light wind.

NFL # 1 defense.

Power of the 12th man.

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This a tough matchup, no doubt about it. The Pats defense is better than I'd like to see, and that could be troublesome. The Pats offense knows how to get it done no matter what kind of defense they're playing. This game scares me, home or not. I was more confident earlier in the year, but so far we've learned the Pats defense is a lot stouter than it was before, and their offense still knows how to score and score often.

This game is just too close for me to call. It's going to be a tough scrap the whole 60 minutes. It's going to get ugly. Will the Pats be able to chip away at our defense to score enough? Will our offense be able to overcome third downs and penalties and troubles with the red zone? Tough to tell.

It's going to come down to how well we can handle third downs - on both sides of the ball, how well we avoid penalties, and how well we avoid turnovers on offense and force them on defense.

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We definitely must shore up the short passing game, and especially over the middle, that seems to be our soft underbelly. Isn't that on the 'backers?

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I do not believe that Tom Brady has ever played a game here, at least not in the Clink/Qwest. The last time the Pats were here, we actually had a chance that was blown late with Cassell at QB.


Really good point. The 12th man and the D need to give Brady the same warm welcome they gave Rodgers.

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I do not believe that Tom Brady has ever played a game here, at least not in the Clink/Qwest. The last time the Pats were here, we actually had a chance that was blown late with Cassell at QB.


Really good point. The 12th man and the D need to give Brady the same warm welcome they gave Rodgers.


Brady has won just about everywhere. The guy is a QB machine, typically he is my first pick in the Fantasy draft because somehow, someway he gets his numbers, even if he has stunk it up for 3 quarters.

He might have his numbers, the Seahawks need to keep them to as many FG's as possible. I just feel like this defense is next-level at home and they are only improving. Brady is going to the recipient of the loudest crowd of the season, even more than Monday night against GB.

Tom Brady runs this offense, he IS the coordinator and that coordination is going to be a lot more difficult with this crowd, if anything it will force him to limit his options using silent counts and not being able to call out a variety of plays from under center.

This defense, this crowd. It isn't line the Pats have a stellar pass defense either which plays into the favor of Wilson, who doesn't need to torch them for 300 to be a winner.

In any case, I won't have a voice on Monday.

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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.



I know the Pats culd DEF lose this game, its on the road against a very good team esp Defensively. BUT Seahawk fans should realize your D has NOT faced an O like NE yet either, they have TWO TE in Gronk and Hernandez, that are very hard to cover add in Pesky little Welker and Lloyd and you have a formidable Pass attack. If you go nickle or dime all game the Pats will gash you with the run w ridley and Bolden.
That said it comes down to ONE thing for me if the O line protects Brady the Pats win if they dont they probably lose


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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.



I know the Pats culd DEF lose this game, its on the road against a very good team esp Defensively. BUT Seahawk fans should realize your D has NOT faced an O like NE yet either, they have TWO TE in Gronk and Hernandez, that are very hard to cover add in Pesky little Welker and Lloyd and you have a formidable Pass attack. If you go nickle or dime all game the Pats will gash you with the run w ridley and Bolden.
That said it comes down to ONE thing for me if the O line protects Brady the Pats win if they dont they probably lose


While Benson is no Ridley/Bolden, the Packers passing attack is just as potent (if not more so) as the Patriots, IMO, and Seattle held Rodgers to 0 TDs. I don't expect a repeat of that performance, necessarily, but this defense gets an extra charge from the home field crowd noise as well as the added bonus of getting the same jump as the offensive line.

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Last year I would agree 100% the Packers O was as potent, but this year they been very average so far. NO IDEA WHY. IMO the Pats make it more difficult to cover for example 2 TE set with Hernandez and gronk, you line up LBers or safeties on them they USUALLY will burn you by beating the coverage, if you bring in a nickle or dime to put corners on them they run it with ridley or bolden. (I have yet see a CB get off a Gronk block, heck he blocked some lineman well 1 on 1 lol) I guess what I am saying the Pats O is very different than almost any other O out there.


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The biggest problem I see is the Pats no huddle operating like the Oregon Ducks. The Seahawks like to have that DL rotation and I don't see them being able to implement the rotation when the Pats go into this mode. The other advantage the Patriots get out of this is the 12th man doesn't get a chance to ramp up the noise so the fans will need to be on their game recognizing that they cannot depend on relaxing while the next play is being called.

When the Pats lost Hernandez it was a huge hit, sort of like when Carlson went down in the Chicago playoff game. All our game planning went out the window and I think his loss along with the failure of the Patriots kicker is one of the reasons the Cardinals took home the victory. The Blitzburgh attack is not something the Seahawks are going to do. I think our LBs were victimized by the Rams on those 3rd and longs. For whatever reason they kept attacking the LOS opening holes behind them.

I don't expect to see the Patriots drop +40 on the team but I will be impressed if they can keep the Pats under 20. Hope the offense is able to build on last week's game.

But again, this thread isn't about taking a rational look at the game but rather a rallying cry, demanding more of ourselves as fans of the Seahawks. Trying to put that positive feeling out there (you know, like John Shango ... just kidding my brothers. Why so serious?)

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PatsfanNH: I know Gronk is a great TE, and he's a good blocker, but he's never faced a CB like Browner. Guy is 6'4" and 230lb + ....we've seen him blow up 4 Cardinals on one ST play, and I mean devastate them. He can jam so well, even Gronk will be disrupted off the line (not saying he won't get off the line, but it won't be clean nor easy). We have 2 safeties in Chancellor and GUy that are 6'3" and 235 lbs and can run. We have the personnel to be able to handle most of your guys one on one.

Thing that scares me is our offense. We're terrible....last in the NFL in passing. We run well, but Wilson hasn't handled pressure well yet, and Belichick is good at pressuring QBs. We also lead the league at dumb assed penalties. If we can clean up our game, we have a shot, but NE is too good to keep shooting yourself in the foot like someone else already mentioned.

I'm also in agreement with Roland, that it amazes me that so many people think we're going to just faceroll the Pats. I'm not saying we don't have a shot, but it won't be easy. Completely disregarding a team that has gone back to back 200 yard rushing games, and like Scotte mentioned, is a master at the short yardage passing game that is our defenses achilles heel, is a sure way to disappointment and heartache. Seriously, seeing some of these posts, if the Pats win, I'm expecting a couple of aneurisms.


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I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on?

And more importantly, where do they buy their koolaid? We've got a really good shot to win this game at home, but this should be the second hardest game on our schedule this year, behind the SF road game. The Cardinals held them to 18 points. We've only scored more than 18 points in one game this year. If our redzone offense executes, we win this. But so far that hasn't happened. It's gonna be close.


I dunno. I expect to win this game. Do I expect it to be close and hard fought? Sure. But I expect the Seahawks to come out on top. When I feel like this before a game I lose the ability to worry about it. Until kickoff of course, then I'm a mess till that clock hits 0:00.

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So the seahawks will be in nickle and dime all game? Thats would be a dangerous thing as I doubt either of those 2 beat gronk and Hernandez blocking.. (If they are LBers then they will not be able stay with Hernandez especially )

But hey should be a good game, but all comes down to pressure, if your D needs to blitz to bring it, Brady will kill them if you have pressure with just rushing four it will be a very close game.

I think the true matchup as someone said in here earlier be our D versus your O.. I like our chances there our D is a very good TO machine right now.


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The Pats are an excellent team with a HOF QB, but they have only beaten one team with a winning record the past 24 games.. The ravens in the AFCCG

EDIT: two teams.. the Bronchos were 9-8 in the divisional round...

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What a USELESS Stat! The broncos were 2-2 but oops not a winning record if they beat the Ravens oops not a winning record team and Titans you got a point.. Oh and both losses were VERY VERY Questionable losses. IE Replacement refs screwed up in both games (esp against AZ.. and the missed Baltimore FG being called good) That isnt gonna happen Sunday.


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What a USELESS Stat! The broncos were 2-2 but oops not a winning record if they beat the Ravens oops not a winning record team and Titans you got a point.. Oh and both losses were VERY VERY Questionable losses. IE Replacement refs screwed up in both games (esp against AZ.. and the missed Baltimore FG being called good) That isnt gonna happen Sunday.


Um, bulliisht. I watched that Cardinals game - youre line and offense were manhandled. WTF are you talking about? Then, you got gifted an fumble for a FG try, and still lost.

The Hawks defensive line is similar, and what the Cards have in height, the Hawks make up for in speed.


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What a USELESS Stat! The broncos were 2-2 but oops not a winning record if they beat the Ravens oops not a winning record team and Titans you got a point.. Oh and both losses were VERY VERY Questionable losses. IE Replacement refs screwed up in both games (esp against AZ.. and the missed Baltimore FG being called good) That isnt gonna happen Sunday.


The Patriots armor was dented when they lost game 19 of the formerly unbeaten season, and the formula to beat them was set in stone: Physical brutality. Fortunately for the Patriots, the NFL is short on truly nasty squads like that. Now, is that formula foolproof? Nope. But a very physical Ravens team did come within one dropped pass of beating you, and the injuries your team accumulated in that win may very well have cost you the Super Bowl.
That Cardinals team that beat you at home was another physical team that you could not handle. Will you win Sunday? Quite possibly. Will you get physically outmatched? Most definitely. Our squad is one of the 5 or 6 teams in the league that can win a game using brutality as their primary weapon. Watch your injury report, next week it will have more players on it than this week. If you are crying about questionable calls right now, by next week you will be complaining about uncalled personal fouls.

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What a USELESS Stat! The broncos were 2-2 but oops not a winning record if they beat the Ravens oops not a winning record team and Titans you got a point.. Oh and both losses were VERY VERY Questionable losses. IE Replacement refs screwed up in both games (esp against AZ.. and the missed Baltimore FG being called good) That isnt gonna happen Sunday.


The Patriots armor was dented when they lost game 19 of the formerly unbeaten season, and the formula to beat them was set in stone: Physical brutality. Fortunately for the Patriots, the NFL is short on truly nasty squads like that. Now, is that formula foolproof? Nope. But a very physical Ravens team did come within one dropped pass of beating you, and the injuries your team accumulated in that win may very well have cost you the Super Bowl.
That Cardinals team that beat you at home was another physical team that you could not handle. Will you win Sunday? Quite possibly. Will you get physically outmatched? Most definitely. Our squad is one of the 5 or 6 teams in the league that can win a game using brutality as their primary weapon. Watch your injury report, next week it will have more players on it than this week. If you are crying about questionable calls right now, by next week you will be complaining about uncalled personal fouls.


I think that Cardinals game was the last game like that for them, and they weren't even clicking yet like they are now, and still only lost because of a missed field goal. They have getting past what teams figured out now.


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You only got to miss that field goal because the Cadinals fumbled while running out the clock. Greg Schiano's victory formation has more street cred.


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Yeah, that fumble is due to the ball being knocked out. Those players are smart and very clutch. You have to play full 60 minutes to even get close to beat them.


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Or, a boneheaded Cardinal player? I watched that ENTIRE game, because the Cards beat the Hawks week one. The team that deserved to win won tha Sunday. Saying otherwise is foolish. The Cards went to Foxboro and limited your offense - give them credit they defeated the Patriots.


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The point of that "useless" stat was to point out that while the Pats are a good team, they beat up on the sisters of the poor last year and either lost or struggled mightily against good teams..

The Pats are a good team, but they are definitely beatable and will not have an easy go on Sunday. Seattle is a hungry team that plays exponentially better at home.

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For some reason, the Seahawks are nearly unbeatable at home.

Agreed?

Sure, there's the one or two games a year where you leave CLink and say "WTF"?

But 90 percent of the time, the Seahawks beat whomever they are playing in Seattle. At home. Bliss.

The Patriots are a very, very good AFC team. Tom Brady is a future first-ballot HOF QB.

However, they are not used to playing in the loudest, most disruptive and intimidating stadium in the NFL.

After today's performance, the Seahawks may just have the #1 defense in the entire National Football League.

Think about how SICK our defense will be at home.

Think about how loud the Power of 12 will be.

Win.


Just curious, where the 90% figure comes from. According to this site the hawks are 53-29 all time at the Clink, which works out to around 60 percent of the time. That, in spite of the loudness and noise, does not sound like much of a home field advantage.


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Aros wrote:
For some reason, the Seahawks are nearly unbeatable at home.

Agreed?

Sure, there's the one or two games a year where you leave CLink and say "WTF"?

But 90 percent of the time, the Seahawks beat whomever they are playing in Seattle. At home. Bliss.

The Patriots are a very, very good AFC team. Tom Brady is a future first-ballot HOF QB.

However, they are not used to playing in the loudest, most disruptive and intimidating stadium in the NFL.

After today's performance, the Seahawks may just have the #1 defense in the entire National Football League.

Think about how SICK our defense will be at home.

Think about how loud the Power of 12 will be.

Win.


Just curious, where the 90% figure comes from. According to this site the hawks are 53-29 all time at the Clink, which works out to around 60 percent of the time. That, in spite of the loudness and noise, does not sound like much of a home field advantage.


90% is obviously an inflated number but we're really goddam good at home when we're fielding a competitive team. Realistically during the 4-12 and 5-11 type seasons we weren't very good home or not.

When this team is playing generally well I'll put our home field advantage up against an other team, any other sport.

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There's one recipe for beating the Pats, and that this...punch them in the mouth.

Physical D, Physical run game
I cannot imagine a team more over-hyped then this team. It won't be easy, my only fear is being out-coached like we were in STL.

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The point of that "useless" stat was to point out that while the Pats are a good team, they beat up on the sisters of the poor last year and either lost or struggled mightily against good teams..

The Pats are a good team, but they are definitely beatable and will not have an easy go on Sunday. Seattle is a hungry team that plays exponentially better at home.



Well since LAST year means NADA for this year, This year their 2 losses by a combines 3 points. Now A stat I found her: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/takeaways-per-game

Very interesting Pats averaging ROUGHLY 3 TO a game and Seatle 1 roughly. IMO THIS is what will decide the game whichever teams D wins the TO battle.


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Interesting tweet from Colin Cowherd, via one of the publishing folks on my feed:

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RT @ESPN_Colin: I don't play fantasy football but know many of you do---so a warning--stay away from NE this week. story soon.

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There's one recipe for beating the Pats, and that this...punch them in the mouth.

Physical D, Physical run game
I cannot imagine a team more over-hyped then this team. It won't be easy, my only fear is being out-coached like we were in STL.


Have you seen any game outside of AZ? because that has not worked matter fact the Pats been the ones laying the smack down (the Ravens game was VERY hard hitting and the Pats Mauled the Bills and Broncos). Now I believe the Seahawks have a very good D, but they have not faced a decent O yet this year (based on this years stats):

AZ -- 31ST Ranked 0
Rams -- 29th ranked O
Carolina -- 22ND Ranked O
Packers -- 21st Ranked O
Cowboys -- 16th Ranked O

Also Fisher < BB as a head coach.. it isnt even close! Looking forward to Sundays game should be a fun game to watch.


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Interesting tweet from Colin Cowherd, via one of the publishing folks on my feed:

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RT @ESPN_Colin: I don't play fantasy football but know many of you do---so a warning--stay away from NE this week. story soon.


Not that anyone cares, but Stevan Ridley is riding the pine on my team this week.

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Interesting tweet from Colin Cowherd, via one of the publishing folks on my feed:

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RT @ESPN_Colin: I don't play fantasy football but know many of you do---so a warning--stay away from NE this week. story soon.


Not that anyone cares, but Stevan Ridley is riding the pine on my team this week.



Dont forget to put him back in for the Jets game the following week or you will be kicking yourself.


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Per ESPN STATS: Pats have lowest three-and-out percentage (5%) in NFL this season. #Seahawks have best rate in NFL for forcing at 31.5%.


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Now I believe the Seahawks have a very good D, but they have not faced a decent O yet this year (based on this years stats):

AZ -- 31ST Ranked 0
Rams -- 29th ranked O
Carolina -- 22ND Ranked O
Packers -- 21st Ranked O
Cowboys -- 16th Ranked O


Are you struggling with the cause/effect relationship of playing a team with an excellent defense? Cause: Unable to move/score against defense. Effect: Lower offensive ranking.

The commonality between all 5 of those teams is they played 1/5 of their games against the Seahawks' defense.

A simplistic model of cause/effect is that after week 1, every team that was 1-0 got there by winning against a losing team.

Statistics without context are completely meaningless.


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Well said Kiwi.

Pats fans should be sharting themselves. Their beloved offense is going to get the shit knocked out of 'em.

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I think the Pats fans in this thread have been pretty sane, but IMHO - we will win this game.

Some intangibles and observations on the Patriots:
- No doubt Tom Brady is a great player. Having an icon who is still in their prime is a huge asset.
- The head coach has proven he is a very good schemer. He has the rings to prove it.
- Having a WR that creates matchup problems (Welker)is usually an advantage; albeit he's shrimpy - he's quick and deceptively good
- Having a man-beast for a TE (Gronk) who is in the fabric of the offense is a major advantage - again - major matchup props to NE for exploiting him against other teams
- There is definitely, without question, a young defense anchored by a few really good players - based on the amount of points they give up - they have a lot of maturing to do.
- Aside from Brandon Lloyd and Welker, can you name another WR on that team? Not really... Lloyd has been targeted 45 times, but apparently does not convert well - catching 28 of those 45 passes. The bulk came in two games and has not been impactive... still searching for that other WR? Edelman and Branch only contribute to 111 yards of catches in 5 games.
- Ridley is a good story - that's because he's racking up yards against "quality defenses" like the Titans, Bills, and Broncos. He did little against Baltimore or Arizona.

On our side -
- While it's not a real true "talent on the field advantage" - us at home is a big deal. I don't care what anyone says. This stadium rocks.
- Our defense dictates where the ball can go - by that I mean the WR's might as well take the day off if they are going to line-up across from Sherman and Browner.
- Our running game is VERY GOOD. We don't pretend to be a running team like the Patriots. We ARE a running team.
- We have a rookie QB - but IMHO, he's every bit as good as any QB we've had since 2007. The last semi-decent year for Hasselbeck. At least RW has proven he can throw a ball in the air more than 30 yards - and if not a holding call last week, would have shown against a similar caliber defense what he can do with a deep ball.

Why I think we will win this game:
- With Seattle CB's funneling everything inside the numbers, we are basically playing with a 2 man advantage. Where most safeties are concerned about rotations and coverage handoffs, we don't do that typically.
- I don't think you stop Welker and Gronk. I think you force situations that remove them from the big play opportunity. For Welker, when he lines up, take something from him, whether it be the inside route or the out pattern. When he's on the LOS, bust him hard. When he's off, bracket so Brady has to look elsewhere. For Gronk, be good enough on the DL that he's spending more snaps at the LOS. When he's out in coverage, know where he is and force a perfect throw. Sounds easy to say, harder to do - but we have some of the best DB personnel in the game to get it done. Whatever we do - no LB's in coverage on Gronk. I say bring the safety down.
- Our DL stops the run on 1st and 2nd down.
- Our DL and safety help makes it very hard to convert on 3rd down. Safeties coming down to help LB's and the maddening rush from the DE positions really rattle other teams
- Our running game should be good for 5 YPC on Sunday. We are not the Cardinals. We are not the Ravens (who interestingly thinks they are a passing team this year). We run the ball. And we keep running it.
- I sincerely doubt that this game goes anywhere due to turnovers on RW. If something happens - it will be a fluke.
- Weather will be a factor. I think may benefit us in the running game.
- The TOP stat will be won by the Hawks.
- Can't argue we have a great kicking game to go along with the D and weather for Sunday.
- NE will no doubt try to exploit their advantages mentioned prior - I think they will, but just not enough to matter.

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You guys are basing fantasy against facts. There is no way Seattle wins this game. There is no way the Hawks compete in this game. They have not played an offense like they will be seeing on Sunday and yes Lynch is a VG back and can run, and when the Hawks are down 21-0 feel free to run it all day. Pats control the tempo of the games they play. The Seahawks offense is pathetic, sure Wilson will get some garbage time 20-20 stats, thats what the Pats let teams do!

But seriously these stats are stupid the Hawks are not in the same league as the Pats. Enjoy your Super Bowl.


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And honestly if I see one more comment about the weather I'm going to snap, they are the NEW ENGLAND Patriots, do you REALLY thing a little wind or rain is going to bother them??? They put up almost 60 in a snow storm Oh no its 60 and drizzling our Seahawks have an advantage!

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You guys are basing fantasy against facts. There is no way Seattle wins this game. There is no way the Hawks compete in this game. They have not played an offense like they will be seeing on Sunday and yes Lynch is a VG back and can run, and when the Hawks are down 21-0 feel free to run it all day. Pats control the tempo of the games they play. The Seahawks offense is pathetic, sure Wilson will get some garbage time 20-20 stats, thats what the Pats let teams do!

But seriously these stats are stupid the Hawks are not in the same league as the Pats. Enjoy your Super Bowl.



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Annnnnnnd, there goes our streak of intelligent, friendly Patriots fans on our board. Good work tossing a hand grenade in the barrel to lower the overall perception of your fellow fans, GoPeteGo.

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You guys are basing fantasy against facts. There is no way Seattle wins this game. There is no way the Hawks compete in this game. They have not played an offense like they will be seeing on Sunday and yes Lynch is a VG back and can run, and when the Hawks are down 21-0 feel free to run it all day. Pats control the tempo of the games they play. The Seahawks offense is pathetic, sure Wilson will get some garbage time 20-20 stats, thats what the Pats let teams do!

But seriously these stats are stupid the Hawks are not in the same league as the Pats. Enjoy your Super Bowl.


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You guys are basing fantasy against facts. There is no way Seattle wins this game. There is no way the Hawks compete in this game. They have not played an offense like they will be seeing on Sunday and yes Lynch is a VG back and can run, and when the Hawks are down 21-0 feel free to run it all day. Pats control the tempo of the games they play. The Seahawks offense is pathetic, sure Wilson will get some garbage time 20-20 stats, thats what the Pats let teams do!

But seriously these stats are stupid the Hawks are not in the same league as the Pats. Enjoy your Super Bowl.


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Annnnnnnd, there goes our streak of intelligent, friendly Patriots fans on our board. Good work tossing a hand grenade in the barrel to lower the overall perception of your fellow fans, GoPeteGo.



FIRST Let me apologize for go pete go,he is a rather new fan circa 2001. (If you know what I mean.)

That said nice points on the Patsby a previous posterI would like to add a few reasons whyI think the Pats will win:

1. Pats D has given up points to Flacco that was the only true shoot out. Against AZ they scored 10 points directly from TO (blocked punt and Brady Int) On one of those TO the cards LOST yards but still got a FG.. Against Buffalo the Pats were up Big and they got GARBAGE time points. Against Manning the Pats were up 24 in the 4th and went to the gawd awful Prevent D and allowed 2 TD in the 4th quarter before nailing the door shut with a TO. Oh and I think Wilson has promise but he is NO Flacco or Manning. Not even close right now. Your O will struggle to move the ball, it has all year and the Pats D is better than you think and more DANGEROUS when it comes to takeaways than ANY team you have meet yet. I see at least 2 TO by your O which IMO will be the big difference in the game.

2. Pats O is a veteran O built scarily enough to exploit what people on here have called the D biggest weakness, The underneath stuff with threats on the Outside when hernandez splits out wide with Lloyd so you will have keep your best corners on them. I know you have good safeties but they have not faced a TE like Gronk, why? because there is NO TE like Gronk in the NFL, add in whoever is covering Welker in for a nightmare as he IMO is the best slot WR in the nfl.

3. Our Head Coach WILL make the Hawks do things on O they do NOT want to do.. AKA throw the Football by eliminating your RB significantly. 9Oh you will get an occassional good run, but IF I am correct I see at least ONE strip sac of Wilson deep in your territory that either directly leads to a Defensive TD or an easy TD for the O.

3. Home Field is a HUGE Advantage for the Hawks, but noise has never effected the Pats O in the Past and they have been in ROCKING stadiums in the playoffs.


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