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  • The backfield for the Pats is going to get shocked by the 'hawks D. I don't think they can handle the tenacity this team plays with. They've played Baltimore, and teams with good defenses, but this Seahawk's D is on a whole new level. Look forward to those young guys VS the Hawks Defense, and the frustration that should ensue. That just means more Brady passes, but I look forward to seeing him test the mettle/make up of The Legion and the guys up front. Keeping an eye on Wagner, like what I'm seeing this kid develop into thus far.
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  • SouthSoundHawk wrote:The backfield for the Pats is going to get shocked by the 'hawks D. I don't think they can handle the tenacity this team plays with. They've played Baltimore, and teams with good defenses, but this Seahawk's D is on a whole new level. Look forward to those young guys VS the Hawks Defense, and the frustration that should ensue. That just means more Brady passes, but I look forward to seeing him test the mettle/make up of The Legion and the guys up front. Keeping an eye on Wagner, like what I'm seeing this kid develop into thus far.


    Agreed completely. And as I said in another thread, I think you have to qualify the Patriots and the offensive numbers that they've put up a little bit. The Patriots offense put up ...

    390 Yards and 34 Points against the Titans Defense (who rank 31st in Overall Defense (27th in Passing Yards/Game [285.0] ... and 27th in Rushing Yards/Game [136.5])
    The Titans Defense has given up 151 Points (MOST in the NFL)

    and 580 Yards and 52 Points against the Bills Defense (who rank 25th in Overall Defense (23rd in Passing Yards/Game [269.5] ... and 28th in Rushing Yards/Game [137.0])
    The Bills defense has given up 131 Points (30th in the NFL)

    That can tend to pad those offensive numbers a little bit. Don't get me wrong, Brady and company are good ... I'm just not sure they're quite AS good as the numbers indicate.
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  • Pat's have lost against the only two good defenses they have played...Brady has been sacked 12 times, and their defense is middle of the road.
    If the Hawks can minimize the idiotic mistakes, and Russ and the receivers can work over their suspect secondary...
    It should be a long day for the Brady Bunch.
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  • You know you can just go to nfl.com and get this information anytime you want. This season after week 5 not counting MNF, the Seattle Seahwawks defense is:
    #1 in total yards allowed
    #5 in passing yards allowed
    #3 in rushing yards allowed
    #5 in sacks
    tied for #1 in touchdowns allowed
    #3 in total points allowed
    #20 in interceptions
    #21 in tackles
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  • Also, I believe Tez's number will be retired at this game, so the crowd will have that even as an extra boost to hype them up (as if they needed it).
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  • bestfightstory wrote:Need this kind of thread to counter all the 'prepare' to lose' bullshit we will see this week.


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  • Yesterday evening, I was thinking about the Patriots game and I thought I'd break my current streak of picking Seattle in every game in the Aros thread. Then I woke up this morning, and damn, do I want to beat the Patriots. I hate them and their smug, smarmy baseball fans. I want to see the Brady we all know and love who yells at refs when he's getting hit and who slaps at the ground and acts like he's 2 years old. I want Bruce Irvin to make the Chandler Jones talk go away, and I want, most of all, to see 4-2 when after the Rams loss, bunch of crybabies were bemoaning our 'surefire' 2-6 mark by week 8.
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  • The Pats game will be like every other game this year, if the D can give Wilson short fields with turnovers, and Washington can get some nice returns, then we'll have a shot at winning.

    What I'm worried about is Bill Belichick, he's the best schemer in the league, and believe me he's going to be Wilson's worst nightmare Sunday afternoon. So don't expect a whole lot from our offense. Once again, this game will be on the defense's shoulders on whether they can shut Brady down.
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  • At 6'6" 265 pounds ... Rob Gronkowski is certainly a guy who could potentially be problematic [he ended last season with 1,263 yards -- the 6th most receiving yards]. That said, the Hawks just limited Jason Witten (6'6" 261 pounds) to 4 catches and 58 yards ... and Jermichael Finley (6'5" 247 pounds) to 4 catches and 60 yards. Those are 2 of the best TE's in the game.

    On the good side of this, we held Finley and Witten in control while also having to cover some damn good outside receivers, a problem the Patriot's wideouts do not present. On the bad side of this, I remember Witten dropping three or four easy catches and Finley dropping his usual couple. Gronk and Hernandez will probably not be so accommodating. It will be intersting to see how Gronk reacts to having a safety who is big enough to put a real pop on his ass! This is where the bully gets bullied. The first Chancellor/Gronk collision should shorten his arms up a bit.

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  • My big want for this game is a severe pass rush. As amazing as our D is, they still don't scare anyone with their pass rush. Yesterday I saw a lot of plays where Cam Newton had all day to pass. Fortunately he sucked balls but a better quarterback like Brady will make us pay. I want to see some safety or corner blitzes mixed in with our regular blitzing on Sunday. We cannot let Brady have 8 seconds back there.
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  • Our defense just has the feel of a team on the verge of one of those 5 take away games. We were an eyelash away from 2 picks agaisnt Carolina, and all season it has been on the verge of one of those games. Brady likes his jersey clean. It won't be. And the Hawks love these get up games.

    But Gronk is just as tough as anyone on our team. Lloyd's numbers on the Rams should hold up, he is actually getting targeted more in NE. But Browner, who gave up a lot of the stuff to Lloyd, is also better than last year.

    I also like the matchup for our offense, I feel like we match up well OK what New England tries to do. They have keyed on stopping the run in New England this year, that is part of the reason the Patriots pursued Red Bryant last year. But they are vulnerable to cutbacks.

    The wildcard is the coaching matchup. I have an irrational fear of Bill Belichick, and I suspect he will have some wrinkle to his gameplan that Pete will not expect, like running 10 times in a row from the gun or something like that. But it won't matter, the crowd noise will fuel our defensive lines getoff and create some big plays.

    This will be another cardiac game, but I think we have the defensive matchups to win this thing.

    Then on to the brawl by the Bay. That is going to be the fistfight of the year. Winning games is always the goal, but the SF game is going to have a very different feel. Win or lose, winning the battle of physicality has to be THE goal in that game.
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  • I think the Pats are succeptable to being bullied and physical play. On first down, I'll gladly take a roughing he passer, Breno chucking somebody, or sending Kam in to hit Brady.

    Over the past few years THAT'S been the key to beating New England - punch tem in the mouth.
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  • :13: likin the smarmy reference thier fans are.
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  • I can see the defense playing out of their minds a la the MNF game.

    Not to mention the cross-country trip is just as tough on east coast teams as it is west coast teams.
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  • pehawk wrote:I think the Pats are succeptable to being bullied and physical play. On first down, I'll gladly take a roughing he passer, Breno chucking somebody, or sending Kam in to hit Brady.


    No. No. No.

    They need to cut that stupid penalty shit out. I'm sorry.

    Plenty of ways to be physical and play smart. Teams like the Ravens and 49ers do it every Sunday.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I think the Pats are succeptable to being bullied and physical play. On first down, I'll gladly take a roughing he passer, Breno chucking somebody, or sending Kam in to hit Brady.


    No. No. No.

    They need to cut that stupid penalty shit out. I'm sorry.

    Plenty of ways to be physical and play smart. Teams like the Ravens and 49ers do it every Sunday.


    Preferably, yes. But the Ravens and 49ers are older and AREN'T identified as thugs by refs.
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  • pehawk wrote:Preferably, yes. But the Ravens and 49ers are older and AREN'T identified as thugs by refs.


    Probably because they don't have an O-lineman with Joe Flacco's eyebrows who likes to commit stupid ass penalties every game.

    We can beat a team like the Panthers with a stupid penalty or 2 (or 7) .. not the Patriots. I agree, I want the defense to punch them in the mouth, but do it during the play.. not some bonehead roughing the QB call (Clemons) or personal foul out of bounds or when the play has been blown dead (Breno x100)
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  • dang, Joe was lookin for those the other day
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  • yup, those penalties are excruciating, especially when the play was pretty much over, let him go maybe Seattle picks up a roughing the passer? players have to know when they can let their man go or just keep pushing to get the job done and when holding is absolutely necessary, if its less than a ten yard sac let it go, he beat his man then tackled him?

    sometimes defenders fall and make it look like they were shoved especially if they think someone will fall on top of them, lots of theatrics in this sport..
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  • Next week is going to be another 'heart attack game' that comes down to the wire most likely.

    We cannot fall behind in this game with NE. our defense needs a big turnover or score early...and keep the pressure on.

    Pats really scare me, their offense has been unconscious the last 6 quarters. Granted it was against inferior competition, but they have weapons all over.

    Giants have shown in 2 Super Bowls you need to HIT Brady over and over again to get him off his game.....

    This is such a critical game, because SF on the road on a short week [thanks NFL!] is almost impossible. My hope for that game is that the Giants really beat up SF on Sunday as they are known to do...and maybe knock Smith out for the Thursday nighter. NE is not physical like that...so maybe we pick up an advantage there.

    Wow this is going to be a long week. Is it really only Monday????
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  • Ssssshhhhhhh.... they're listening and watching from the shadows.

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  • LOL...we are going to kick their ass.
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:Ssssshhhhhhh.... they're listening and watching from the shadows.

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat ... page6.html

    Hi Pats fans!! :2:


    A lot of people on those boards who are downplaying the Hawks defense. I think those people will be in for a rude surprise. (Couple of Pats fan have pointed it out to those select, to be fair, however.)
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:Ssssshhhhhhh.... they're listening and watching from the shadows.

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat ... page6.html

    Hi Pats fans!! :2:


    Haha I got quoted in that thread! Nice.

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  • Even on a neutral field the Patriots don't scare me. I thought it might be tough to bring down Newton, but lmao Brady is just a statue (especially when he'll see no one open). Irvin, Mebane, Clemens, Red Bryant are going to wreak havoc on him. Forget about him catching up to Brees' TD record lol.

    But what's annoying is he's going to start crying to the ref once someone puts a hand on him. So we'll see.

    Anyways we'll get to see a lot of old people sporting NE jerseys on Sunday at Century Link, they fell in love with that team after being the new America's team haha. They might even help us out when they're on offense they'll be up making noise like us lmao.
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  • Originally Posted by thenepatsrule
    Lets just hope Brady doesnt get sacked as much as Rodgers did on MNF

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    To be fair that was all in one half. Once the packers figured them out, the hawks got owned.


    If getting "owned" is giving up 12 points, A. Rodgers throwing 0 TD's, and holding their main RB to 2.6 yards/rush, oh yea and winning! I hope we get "owned" every week. :lol: :roll:
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:
    Originally Posted by thenepatsrule
    Lets just hope Brady doesnt get sacked as much as Rodgers did on MNF

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    To be fair that was all in one half. Once the packers figured them out, the hawks got owned.


    If getting "owned" is giving up 12 points, A. Rodgers throwing 0 TD's, and holding their main RB to 2.6 yards/rush, oh yea and winning! I hope we get "owned" every week. :lol: :roll:


    Yup. "Owned" is now defined as one TD drive helped along by bogus penalties.
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  • Well it seems that the fans are in mid-week form. Patriots fans shocked at the gall of the lowly Seahawks fans to soil their team by mentioning anything but reverance. Seahawks fans with the glow of victory feeling the need to rally the troops. Good stuff.

    Great challenge for the defense. Seems like Hernandez will be back, so the dual-headed TE beast is going to be in play.

    Looking forward to gameday. I suspect we will be having a few Patriots fans coming by to enlighten us from our delusion. That should make for a couple hours of point/counterpoint. Hope our debaters bring it.
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  • Tom Brady is much smarter than any quarterback we have played and that alone is dangerous. as good as our defensive line is,Tom Brady is fine with throwing quick short passes and we have to be ready to tackle as fast as we can.
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  • Brady is amazing to watch in person I will say that. But he's human and if you plant him in the turf a lot his play will begin to deteriorate as the game goes on just like any one else.
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  • Pats don't scare me at all. Brady is going to end up on his back all night long. Eventually he will throw a fit on the sidelines and yell at his O-line...then sit on the bench and dream of Jizz-el as we run them over. The Patriots are soft.
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  • I do not believe that Tom Brady has ever played a game here, at least not in the Clink/Qwest. The last time the Pats were here, we actually had a chance that was blown late with Cassell at QB.

    The previous game in 04, the Hawks were driving to seal up the comeback in NE and the Hawks turned the ball over on the last drive.

    The Hawks were in those games, this is a totally different team, with an awfully nasty defense, one that Brady hasn't seen yet. This defense is better than the Ravens' or the Cards and the game is at home which means ANYONE can be beat and frankly probably will.

    With #12 on hand, this defense, the running game and a blooming QB the potential for physical beat down with a defensive clinic is very high.

    I don't see any team and I mean ANY team coming in HERE and winning right now.

    Brady has never experienced what he is going to experience this weekend. This game could affect the rest of his career as a QB, both physically and emotionally.
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  • I think the Seahawks win this game and hopefully they learned something from the real reason they lost to the Rams. My former coaches from many moons ago would roll over in their graves if their team ever allowed a sneak play as in the fake field goal that provided the points for the Rams to win. That was just unbeleivable. Also, with such a large staff, I hope PC elects someone to keep track of time outs for a change.

    RW is improving and Flynn has a sore arm, why all of the talk of QB changes? For some, RW could pass for 250+ yards, a couple of TD's and win the game and they would still want an unproven (in the Seahawks system) question mark of a QB with a sore arm to start. Their arguments don't even address the actuality of being a "run first team", with a reduced number of passing attempts. Some of Y'all need to keep in mind, no QB is perfect on every play, they all have incompletions and interceptions and have missed receivers, it's a part of the game. Can't we give the rookie RW a break and actually root for him for a change? Bottom line, I think MOST of us on .net want the team to win, back-biting doesn't help get us there. IMO, PC has 5 million reasons to get this right and I for one support and respect him as a coach. Maybe some here were Jim Mora supporters? Great job he did, wasn't it.
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  • Prepare to lose !

    Seriously, the Patriots scare me because they've been running the ball so damn well lately, something like 2 games in a row with well over 200 yards rushing. That's odd for them and makes them harder to defend. If we can stop the run with 6-7 guys in the box, and our Nickle CB matches up well with Welker, we'll be ok. I think we can run the ball on the Pats, and I'd like to see Wilson improve even more and find some open WRs.

    I still have a bad feeling about the game, and it wouldn't be shameful to lose to one of the hottest teams in the NFL right now, even at home.
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  • SoCalSeahawk wrote:At 6'6" 265 pounds ... Rob Gronkowski is certainly a guy who could potentially be problematic [he ended last season with 1,263 yards -- the 6th most receiving yards]. That said, the Hawks just limited Jason Witten (6'6" 261 pounds) to 4 catches and 58 yards ... and Jermichael Finley (6'5" 247 pounds) to 4 catches and 60 yards. Those are 2 of the best TE's in the game.

    On the good side of this, we held Finley and Witten in control while also having to cover some damn good outside receivers, a problem the Patriot's wideouts do not present. On the bad side of this, I remember Witten dropping three or four easy catches and Finley dropping his usual couple. Gronk and Hernandez will probably not be so accommodating. It will be intersting to see how Gronk reacts to having a safety who is big enough to put a real pop on his ass! This is where the bully gets bullied. The first Chancellor/Gronk collision should shorten his arms up a bit.

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  • This Defense is nasty. I'm not saying anything you don't already know.

    The amount of trash talk/ banter between plays makes me freaking giddy! It doesn't matter who they are up against they have no fear to the point of almost no respect for the man lining up across from them. They get in their head, fight, push, shove and wrestle, ( in Browners case. BODY SLAM! ) And they all have each others back on the field. What a beautiful thing to watch! I just hope the passing games clicks better!

    This Defense will do the same to the Pats. They are already in the Pats head, guaranteed!
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  • Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

    I like our chances.

    I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.
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  • Aros wrote:Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

    I like our chances.

    I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.


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  • Aros wrote:Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

    I like our chances.

    I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.


    But jizzelle (sp) has already prayed to the football gods and Tim Tebow for a double-u.
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  • I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

    We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

    We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

    To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on?

    And more importantly, where do they buy their koolaid? We've got a really good shot to win this game at home, but this should be the second hardest game on our schedule this year, behind the SF road game. The Cardinals held them to 18 points. We've only scored more than 18 points in one game this year. If our redzone offense executes, we win this. But so far that hasn't happened. It's gonna be close.
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  • aku wrote:And more importantly, where do they buy their koolaid?


    I'm thinking they're spiking it with a little somethin'-somethin' from these guys:

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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I can't believe those of you that are saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like "I'm not worried about the Pats/Brady." What planet are you on? Yes, we have arguably the best defense in the NFL. Stats don't tell the whole story, to those Pats fans that are lurking; our D has given up two TDs in the last four games. Rest of the points were field goals, a TD on special teams from the Rams, and a pick six.

    We match up very, very, well against the Patriots, with our awesome defense and even better secondary. Brady can still carve us up if he comes out en fuego. Some people are taking the Patriots lightly, and you're just asking to be heartbroken with that.

    We can definitely win this game, but it's not going to be easy. We have to play pretty much mistake-free football. We've been shooting ourselves in the nuts with penalties on the offense every single game to date this year, (and pretty much all of last year) if we can keep it to say, 3 penalties on the game, I feel THAT is the biggest single thing that will earn us a win.

    To Patriots fans reading this, I would temper your expectations and be a little nervous coming into this game. It will hurt less if you lose. I guarantee you that even if you win, you will have spent at least a quarter of the game being very nervous.

    Well, I expect to be nervous for 4 quarters, it is the 2012 Seahawk way.
    For me, the game comes down to one thing, can the Hoodie do something unexpected? Our one weakness of D this year has been the death by 1000 cuts short yardage offense, the style Kolb ran, the style Rodgers used to come back on us. But the ability if the hawks to adjust to the line of scrimmage option game has me encouraged that we can cloud the issue enough. Brady is great in that 8 to 15 yard game outside the numbers, which is where our pass rush has to be disruptive.

    There is one certainty. Win or lose, the Pats will leave Seattle bloodied. That sentiment might be behind most of the exuberance.
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  • Aros wrote:Hmmm. #1 Defense playing at home in the most DIFFICULT, STIFFLING PLACE TO PLAY IN THE NFL...

    I like our chances.

    I don't care if Jesus Christ himself comes down from the Heavens to quarterback and play the Seahawks at home this year. He's going down just like every other quarterback.


    Wow, blasphemy, and I like it :D
    Why is it when I try to come off as a smart ass, the opposite happens? :-(
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  • Look at the weather, probable rain and light wind.

    NFL # 1 defense.

    Power of the 12th man.

    I like our chances.
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  • This a tough matchup, no doubt about it. The Pats defense is better than I'd like to see, and that could be troublesome. The Pats offense knows how to get it done no matter what kind of defense they're playing. This game scares me, home or not. I was more confident earlier in the year, but so far we've learned the Pats defense is a lot stouter than it was before, and their offense still knows how to score and score often.

    This game is just too close for me to call. It's going to be a tough scrap the whole 60 minutes. It's going to get ugly. Will the Pats be able to chip away at our defense to score enough? Will our offense be able to overcome third downs and penalties and troubles with the red zone? Tough to tell.

    It's going to come down to how well we can handle third downs - on both sides of the ball, how well we avoid penalties, and how well we avoid turnovers on offense and force them on defense.
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  • We definitely must shore up the short passing game, and especially over the middle, that seems to be our soft underbelly. Isn't that on the 'backers?
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  • loafoftatupu wrote:I do not believe that Tom Brady has ever played a game here, at least not in the Clink/Qwest. The last time the Pats were here, we actually had a chance that was blown late with Cassell at QB.


    Really good point. The 12th man and the D need to give Brady the same warm welcome they gave Rodgers.
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