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Wilson's inexperience scares me a lot. He is rather smart with the ball. Few of his turnovers have been actual bad plays or mental errors on his part. He's obviously a rookie, but a good one with a lot of acumen for the game.

Gronk frankly scares the hell out of me a lot more than Wilson's inexperience. He's a manbeast at a position where he can sit there and pick apart our short play defense all game long. Brady to Gronk has the ability to keep that offense on the field for far longer than it should be, and will wear out our defense eventually if A) our offense doesn't outperform expectations, and/or B) our defense doesn't step up and make killer plays and third down stops.

It's gonna be a fun one, alright! I'm stoked!

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Sailor,

Wish we could like post here, I agree with you Gronk seems be under appreciated here, almost like you think he is simular to Dallas and 49ers TE. he is not he is meaner and stronger and IMO the best ALL AROUND TE in the game.

As for Wilson, he has not faced a D managed by a Defensive mastermind like BB, I see them showing the young QB one thing (say a blitz0 they drop out of it and he throws a pick on a quick slant etc. thinking he needs to unload faster. (BB did it for years on one of the greats in P Manning.. so why I expect him get confused.)


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I don't think Russell has thrown a hot route all year.

Yes, Gronk is under appreciated here, but how many players have I/we seen in their prime roll through Seattle and disappear?
It just happens.

This is Seattle, folks don't appreciate what happens here until their team shows up.
National media never appreciates it. Its just the way it is. It's fun to fly under the radar.

128 minutes since anyone has scored a TD against the defense, 100 minutes to the TD prior to that.

I think N.E. will score a TD this Sunday. Will they score multiple?
That's the question.

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Should ebe a great game, i just hope no bad injuries on either side. Hate see a teams season ruined by losing a key player. (Like Lynch for you guys and Brady for us.. the Pats live and die with him he goes down we are screewed lol)

all i ask Hawkster is give the Jets 10X the beating when you face them. (their run D sucks lol)


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Best To be Careful of what you hope for, in case you haven't been watching the Seahawks and RW, guess what, he can actually throw, and oh yea, he's got a cannon for an arm... those rookie mistakes you keep referring to, i'm assuming you're talking about the 6 pic's.. you can credit at the most two of them to russel, tipped pass by lynch, tipped pass by baldwin, his arm was hit while throwing ball popped up for easy pic, mccoy fell down on the play, the one in carolina was a legit mistake.. so keep thinking he throws the ball away, and can't make plays in the pocket.. heck we want you to think that, please do focus on stopping the run... cuz the fact is PC is finally loosening up the playbook, and our recievers are finally getting seperation and making catches.. and from what i've heard from your own fans is your secondary is the weakest part of the defense... sounds good to me...

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He is a ROOKIE, and ROOKIES make mistakes... and your O is based on the run, so DUH of course they will force a ROOKIE QB on his 6th game to beat them.. That is called comman sense, you dont let their main weapon beat you, you make their UNPROVEN weapon beat you...


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As for Wilson, he has not faced a D managed by a Defensive mastermind like BB, I see them showing the young QB one thing (say a blitz0 they drop out of it and he throws a pick on a quick slant etc. thinking he needs to unload faster. (BB did it for years on one of the greats in P Manning.. so why I expect him get confused.)


Heh, that would require our OC to include the quick slant into the playbook. :stirthepot:

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He is a ROOKIE, and ROOKIES make mistakes... and your O is based on the run, so DUH of course they will force a ROOKIE QB on his 6th game to beat them.. That is called comman sense, you dont let their main weapon beat you, you make their UNPROVEN weapon beat you...


Of course. Most of us know that and have been around the whole "rookie-sucks-pull-him-not-to-waste-a-top-tier-defense" argument so many times it ain't funny. He is a rookie, and he's hitting that point in his first season where a lot of rookies have a slump because there is finally some good tape on them to dissect and scheme.

The point is that many of the things people take from seeing his stat line aren't the mistakes they assume them to be. With the interception line, for example, reality is he's pretty smart when it comes to ball protection, while the stats don't point to the flukes that caused most of them. He makes mistakes, sure. Just not necessarily ones you'd assume from looking at the stats.

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Sailor,

I mean ANY mistakes, for example overthrowing a wide open receiver, or holding the ball a second to long and getting sacked etc, not necessarily TO but things that kill drives.

I am also not saying Wilson sucks! I am saying any smart Coach makes the rookie beat them and not the star RB. What HC wouldnt game plan that way?


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Anybody who has the slightest knowledge of the game knows, you try to take away the opposing teams weapons., ya we get that.. our point is what you guys think is our weaknes i.e. (RW) is not a weakness, he's a rookie and makes mistakes, but if you think he cannot move the football down the field with his arm, especially against a weaker defensive back unit, then you have apparently not been watch this team.. and that was my point... so like i said, stack up against the run, and see what happens to your db's...

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I mean ANY mistakes, for example overthrowing a wide open receiver, or holding the ball a second to long and getting sacked etc, not necessarily TO but things that kill drives.

I am also not saying Wilson sucks! I am saying any smart Coach makes the rookie beat them and not the star RB. What HC wouldnt game plan that way?


Something to remember is that it's one thing to gameplan to stop Lynch.


It's another thing altogether to actually do it. :mrgreen:

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oh and by the way PatsFanNH, every team we have faced has stacked the defensive to stop our run and make wilson beat them, guess how that turned our for them... so good luck with that too....

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Anybody who has the slightest knowledge of the game knows, you try to take away the opposing teams weapons., ya we get that.. our point is what you guys think is our weaknes i.e. (RW) is not a weakness, he's a rookie and makes mistakes, but if you think he cannot move the football down the field with his arm, especially against a weaker defensive back unit, then you have apparently not been watch this team.. and that was my point... so like i said, stack up against the run, and see what happens to your db's...



I never said he COULDN'T just that a DEFENSE tries to stop what an O does best. the Hawks run the ball BEST, thus they will key on that and make Wilson beat them.

Also our DB's get a lot of flack, this week Wilson will be starting and this DB kept Manning to only 7 points for 3 qrtrs while the O built a 24 point lead. While also keeping McGahee in check..Are you saying our DB should fear Wilson more than Peyton Manning in throwing the ball? (and McGahee is a good RB maybe not as good as yours but still very good.) Manning got yards but the Pats Much melighned secondary made big plays as did our front 7. So dont think it will be a cake walk for wilson to throw either.


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I never said he COULDN'T just that a DEFENSE tries to stop what an O does best. the Hawks run the ball BEST, thus they will key on that and make Wilson beat them.


Every team the Hawks have faced since the second half of last season has keyed in on Lynch. That happens when your quarterbacks are Tarvaris Jackson and Russell Wilson. The thing is none of them have succeeded. If the Niner's beastly run D couldn't stop Lynch, I'm sure not worried about the Pat's run D stopping Lynch.

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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


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Trrrroy et al,

Well it had work pretty well, you have like the 27TH ranked O in the NFL! and have a -1 TO differential while NE leads the league (w Atlanta) w a +10 TO differential. And you do know your rushing attack is 7th and the Pats is 3rd I mean I know you faced those powerhouse D in THE rAMS,cAROLINA AND gREEN bAY SO HAD BE TOUGH TO RUN ON THOSE 3 TEAMS (Sarcasm off) So please stop acting like Lynch has run over monster D's outside of AZ he has not faced a monster D, while the Pats Have faced 2 in AZ and Baltimore.


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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


Way to bring up useless numbers. First of all, that is a sample size that doesn't even go back a full season, plus there are a million variables which you aren't accounting for, the biggest being the talent of the home team. For example, the Patriots have one of the best (if not the best) home records in the league since Belicheck. That has very little to do with their home field (which is one of the least intimidating in the NFL), it's because they've fielded ridiculously talented teams in that time-span.

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Trrrroy wrote:
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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


Way to bring up useless numbers. First of all, that is a sample size that doesn't even go back a full season, plus there are a million variables which you aren't accounting for, the biggest being the talent of the home team. For example, the Patriots have one of the best (if not the best) home records in the league since Belicheck. That has very little to do with their home field (which is one of the least intimidating in the NFL), it's because they've fielded ridiculously talented teams in that time-span.


Perhaps you can educate me and tell me what the Hawks home field record is over the last 3 years? Just reading this thread makes it sound like the hawks are invincible at home. Considering all hawks fans feel that you have the talent now and an overwhelming home field advantage, the current home winning streak seemed like a good number to go by.


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Well it had work pretty well, you have like the 27TH ranked O in the NFL! and have a -1 TO differential while NE leads the league (w Atlanta) w a +10 TO differential. And you do know your rushing attack is 7th and the Pats is 3rd I mean I know you faced those powerhouse D in THE rAMS,cAROLINA AND gREEN bAY SO HAD BE TOUGH TO RUN ON THOSE 3 TEAMS (Sarcasm off) So please stop acting like Lynch has run over monster D's outside of AZ he has not faced a monster D, while the Pats Have faced 2 in AZ and Baltimore.


I honestly hope the NE coaches feel the same way you do.

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Well it had work pretty well, you have like the 27TH ranked O in the NFL! and have a -1 TO differential while NE leads the league (w Atlanta) w a +10 TO differential. And you do know your rushing attack is 7th and the Pats is 3rd I mean I know you faced those powerhouse D in THE rAMS,cAROLINA AND gREEN bAY SO HAD BE TOUGH TO RUN ON THOSE 3 TEAMS (Sarcasm off) So please stop acting like Lynch has run over monster D's outside of AZ he has not faced a monster D, while the Pats Have faced 2 in AZ and Baltimore.


I'm not saying our offense is good, I'm saying Lynch is good. He's racking up yards with very nearly the worst passing attack in the league. I'd like to see how well Ridley and Bolden do facing the stacked fronts Lynch does on an every down basis. It's one thing to rack up rushing yards when defenses have Tom friggin Brady, and Wes friggin Welker, and Rob friggin Gronkowski to worry about, it's something else completely when Russell Wilson and Tarvaris Jackson are your quarterbacks and your best offensive weapon other than Lynch is a tossup between Golden Tate, Sydney Rice, and Doug Baldwin.

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Uh Ok indianFan.. you're basing that on what????? what do those teams have to do with the CLink.. ravens get pummeled last time they played here, cardinals got beat last time they played here, and the 49ers barely beat us by two points on a last minute field goal.. so clearly the noise and the 12th man does have some effect... when apposing coaches and players comment on how tough it's gonna be to play in the CLink, you might want to take their word for it, think they'd no a tad bit better than you. just sayin....

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of course the seahawks home record the last few years isnt going to be good, the team wasnt that good until the midway point last season. But that doesnt matter, a homefield advantage has nothing to do with how good a team is.

And nobody on the Pats can tackle lynch. Nobody in the league can. He is impossible to bring down, and would probably set every record in the book if the Oline was any good.

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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


Way to bring up useless numbers. First of all, that is a sample size that doesn't even go back a full season, plus there are a million variables which you aren't accounting for, the biggest being the talent of the home team. For example, the Patriots have one of the best (if not the best) home records in the league since Belicheck. That has very little to do with their home field (which is one of the least intimidating in the NFL), it's because they've fielded ridiculously talented teams in that time-span.


Perhaps you can educate me and tell me what the Hawks home field record is over the last 3 years? Just reading this thread makes it sound like the hawks are invincible at home. Considering all hawks fans feel that you have the talent now and an overwhelming home field advantage, the current home winning streak seemed like a good number to go by.


You missed the point completely. The hawks have had bad teams the past three years, so of course they aren't going to have good home numbers. Bad teams lose, even at home, even at the Clink. It has nothing to do with the homefield advantage.

You might interpret that as "the team loses at home so therefore the home-field advantage sucks," and if that's your stance there is no point in arguing with you because you suck at logic.

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I keep reading about how big a home field advantage the seahawks have at the clink and how every team just seems to cower under the crowd noise etc.
Here is the list of current home game winning streaks:

Ravens (13), Cardinals and 49ers (8) and Falcons (6)

Clearly, all that noise and the twelfth man haven't resulted in that many victories for the hawks....


Way to bring up useless numbers. First of all, that is a sample size that doesn't even go back a full season, plus there are a million variables which you aren't accounting for, the biggest being the talent of the home team. For example, the Patriots have one of the best (if not the best) home records in the league since Belicheck. That has very little to do with their home field (which is one of the least intimidating in the NFL), it's because they've fielded ridiculously talented teams in that time-span.


Perhaps you can educate me and tell me what the Hawks home field record is over the last 3 years? Just reading this thread makes it sound like the hawks are invincible at home. Considering all hawks fans feel that you have the talent now and an overwhelming home field advantage, the current home winning streak seemed like a good number to go by.


You don't get it. We haven't fielded a very good team the last few years. The Ravens have been a good team for some years. The other teams you bring up are good now and their home winning streaks only go into last year.

The Seahawks, when fielding a good team are very difficult to beat at home.

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You don't get it. We haven't fielded a very good team the last few years. The Ravens have been a good team for some years. The other teams you bring up are good now and their home winning streaks only go into last year.

The Seahawks, when fielding a good team are very difficult to beat at home.


I get that part. But can you not say that any team, when fielding a good team is very difficult to beat at home? And on the road? I am sure the home field and noise adds some advantage, but it doesn't turn an average team into a great team. From the posts in just this thread, it really sounded like the Clink just makes the hawks completely invicible and all teams/fans should be shaking in their boots. Perhaps I misunderstood...


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What the noise does, especially at the Clink, is makes it impossible for opposing teams to communicate. And makes it impossible for the linemen to hear the snap count. That's why our defense is so much faster at the get off at home then it is on the road. The huge number of false starts generated because of this should also not be discounted. Our home field advantage is very very real.

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this is the same type of garbage the packer fans were writing just before they came up here on national tv and got slapped in the face repeatedly... discount double check was introduced to the 12th man and home field advantage i believe 8 times... jennings, one of the top recievers in the game had what 2, 3 catches, and goldie locks , Mr. Matthews if you're nasty had let's see, oh ya that would be zero sacks... bottom line is , i love when we're playing at home, i love being the underdog at home, i love it when the fans pretend that playing at the CLink is just another Sunday... It going to be a great hard fought game, i mean an all out battle... i can guarentee the National audience will not be taking this team lightly after sunday, especially in the CLink... i've watched NFL live every night this week, and not one mention of this game, plenty on Colts and Jets, really? colts and Jets.. #1 O vs #1 D, and no mention , really, pretty boy brady? no mention.. No respect, no love , ESPN is a bunch of bafoons.. ESPN please do not jump on our bandwagon if we pull this one out.. we don't need you...

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this is the same type of garbage the packer fans were writing just before they came up here on national tv and got slapped in the face repeatedly... discount double check was introduced to the 12th man and home field advantage i believe 8 times... jennings, one of the top recievers in the game had what 2, 3 catches, and goldie locks , Mr. Matthews if you're nasty had let's see, oh ya that would be zero sacks... bottom line is , i love when we're playing at home, i love being the underdog at home, i love it when the fans pretend that playing at the CLink is just another Sunday... It going to be a great hard fought game, i mean an all out battle... i can guarentee the National audience will not be taking this team lightly after sunday, especially in the CLink... i've watched NFL live every night this week, and not one mention of this game, plenty on Colts and Jets, really? colts and Jets.. #1 O vs #1 D, and no mention , really, pretty boy brady? no mention.. No respect, no love , ESPN is a bunch of bafoons.. ESPN please do not jump on our bandwagon if we pull this one out.. we don't need you...

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this is the same type of garbage the packer fans were writing just before they came up here on national tv and got slapped in the face repeatedly... discount double check was introduced to the 12th man and home field advantage i believe 8 times... jennings, one of the top recievers in the game had what 2, 3 catches, and goldie locks , Mr. Matthews if you're nasty had let's see, oh ya that would be zero sacks... bottom line is , i love when we're playing at home, i love being the underdog at home, i love it when the fans pretend that playing at the CLink is just another Sunday... It going to be a great hard fought game, i mean an all out battle... i can guarentee the National audience will not be taking this team lightly after sunday, especially in the CLink... i've watched NFL live every night this week, and not one mention of this game, plenty on Colts and Jets, really? colts and Jets.. #1 O vs #1 D, and no mention , really, pretty boy brady? no mention.. No respect, no love , ESPN is a bunch of bafoons.. ESPN please do not jump on our bandwagon if we pull this one out.. we don't need you...

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IIRC, the hawks had more false start, delay of game and off-sides penalties at home against the Packers.


Couse we got some stupid young guys playing offense. So what? The crowd isn't in it when our O is out there, and the Pack has some pretty good sack specialists. Our O is constantly improving though (as is our D). Be ready for a shocker...

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From the posts in just this thread, it really sounded like the Clink just makes the hawks completely invicible and all teams/fans should be shaking in their boots. Perhaps I misunderstood...


If you honestly can't tell the difference between coldly objective analysis and mildly hyperbolic but understandable enthusiasm, you're in for a long, hard future on this forum.

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So... let me get this straight. The crowd noise doesn't help the hawks win if they don't have a good team. Also doesn't help the hawks with penalties when the hawks are playing some stupid young guys. So what exactly is the HUGE advantage at home for the hawks this week?


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From the posts in just this thread, it really sounded like the Clink just makes the hawks completely invicible and all teams/fans should be shaking in their boots. Perhaps I misunderstood...


If you honestly can't tell the difference between coldly objective analysis and mildly hyperbolic but understandable enthusiasm, you're in for a long, hard future on this forum.


Oh I understand the difference completely. There is nothing mild about the hyperbole of the Clink home field advantage in most hawks' fans minds as evidenced by the exchanges here. I am just honestly trying to understand where that sense of invincibility comes from. Recent home victories? Recent penalties by opposing teams? Historical home victories?


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So... let me get this straight. The crowd noise doesn't help the hawks win if they don't have a good team. Also doesn't help the hawks with penalties when the hawks are playing some stupid young guys. So what exactly is the HUGE advantage at home for the hawks this week?


Home field usually offers an advantage to the defense, which is very good and generally not part of the penalty problem.

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And the hawks defense has been pretty good since last year. Yet there are no shutouts or blowouts as evidence of the Clink advantage. No perfect record at home etc.


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And the hawks defense has been pretty good since last year. Yet there are no shutouts or blowouts as evidence of the Clink advantage. No perfect record at home etc.


Fair enough. You'll just have to watch and see for yourself on Sunday then.

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imm sooo exciteddd , I cant wait for the seahawks to give the anaylst a reason to talk about why the patriots lost


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There is nothing mild about the hyperbole of the Clink home field advantage in most hawks' fans minds as evidenced by the exchanges here. I am just honestly trying to understand where that sense of invincibility comes from. Recent home victories? Recent penalties by opposing teams? Historical home victories?


There is...you might call it a legend of miraculous home wins for Seattle going back to 2005. Much of it is the fact that CentryLink Field has the highest number of false starts in the league dating back to that year. A few other fun moments that help bolster the mystique:


* 2005, Week 7: After a frustrating, low-scoring game very much the antithesis of that year's offense, Seattle finally puts a touchdown on the board to tie the game 10-10 with 1:26 remaining. Immediately afterwards, Jordan Babineaux breaks on a poor pass from Drew Bledsoe and returns it to field goal range, paving the way for Josh Brown to kick a game-winning field goal and tear his helmet off in celebration. Ten-minute swing for Seattle in the final minute and a half.

* 2005, Week 11: In an effort to close out a game they rightfully shouldn't even have had the chance to, the Giants miss three game-winning field goals, two of them in overtime. Seattle's offense finally musters enough ground to get Brown back in range, and he wins another close one.

* 2005, Divisional Round: After two lost fumbles and losing offensive engine Shaun Alexander to a concussion, Matt Hasselbeck puts the team on his back (generous assist from WR Darrell Jackson) and leads his team to a 20-10 win, including a now-immortal image of Hass outsprinting Shawn Springs to the corner of the endzone on a scramble.

* 2006, Week 12: Shaun Alexander pauses his abrupt decline to rush for 201 yards against the Packers in a snow-filled Qwest Field (former name).

* 2006, Wild Card Round: As Dallas lines up to kick a fourth-quarter field-goal and attain a 23-21 lead, Tony Romo decides to hold the football for the kicker and bobbles the snap. Immersed by Seahawks, he lights out for the end zone with the ball and is tackled a yard short by (again) Jordan Babineaux. Seattle regains the ball on downs, the stadium explodes, and Shaun Alexander puts the game on ice with a 20-yard rush on the next play. (A year later, Seattle's covetous GM signs leading Dallas rusher Julius Jones and spends two years regretting it.)

* 2008, Week 16: After a brutal, injury-filled season, the Seahawks host the New York Jets during a rare snowstorm that brought Seattle to a standstill for two weeks. I had just managed to fly into town for Christmas and was watching from the stands as Seattle played a slippery, defensive game worthy of Foxborough, CB Josh Wilson effectively neutralizing Brett Favre singlehandedly during Mike Holmgren's final home game as Seattle head coach. Some Jets DT got a giant snowball smack in the face from a fan and tried to sue, if I remember correctly.

* 2010, Week 3: Battered and scarred from a horrific roster that turned out NOT to be caused by 2008's injury ridiculousness, slowly recovering, and under the watchful eye of the entire Pete Carroll-hating league, Seattle showcases the new talent they've rotated in. Earl Thomas and Red Bryant corral four Chargers turnovers, and Leon Washington breaks two return touchdowns on the way to an unlikely 27-20 victory.

* 2010, Wild-Card Round: The BeastQuake. That is all I will say.

* 2011, Week 10: Still doubted by useless idiots the nation over, Seattle unveils its new Marshawn-Lynch rushing attack for its home fans, grinding out 109 yards against that year's #2 rushing defense, Baltimore. Lynch is currently the league's leading rusher since that week.

* 2011, Week 13: Every phase of the game puts on fireworks for the home fans against Philadelphia. Brandon Browner intercepts Vince Young twice and announces himself as a hard-nosed ballhawk despite getting gifts on both picks; Tarvaris Jackson manages his finest throw of the year, a perfectly-placed back-of-the-endzone TD pass to a leaping Golden Tate; and Lynch scores two touchdowns, including this mini-Beastquake. 38-14 Seattle. (What were you saying about "no blowouts"?)

* 2012, Week 2: Fans holding their breaths expecting another rookie game from Russell Wilson and an exposing light of truth on our bad-QB-hawking defense are pleasantly shocked to watch their Seahawks dominate the inconsistent Dallas Cowboys 27-7, physically and visibly beating the team down. Golden Tate's decleating of Sean Lee keeps the Seahawks highlights flowing to the Internet's .GIF gurus in their mother's basements. (Still not sure what you meant by "no blowouts").

* 2012, Week 3: In what will forever overshadow an incredible defensive performance from Seattle (eight sacks in the first-half against a Pro Bowl QB is an accomplishment and "he's not on his game this year" doesn't diminish that, sorry), Golden Tate manages a miracle game-winning TD in the end zone and simultaneously reduces the nation's unemployment rate by prompting the refs to finally strike the stupid deal. Debate continues over whether it was really a catch, and I couldn't care less. The Green Bay cornerback should've batted the ball down.


So between all the last-minute miracles and expectations-defying statement games that have taken place in Seattle in the last six seasons, our fans definitely feel a right to claim the CLink mystique. Nobody's arguing that this won't compensate for a broken team, but that was the story of 2008-2009. It's not the story anymore.

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There is nothing mild about the hyperbole of the Clink home field advantage in most hawks' fans minds as evidenced by the exchanges here. I am just honestly trying to understand where that sense of invincibility comes from. Recent home victories? Recent penalties by opposing teams? Historical home victories?


There is...you might call it a legend of miraculous home wins for Seattle going back to 2005. Much of it is the fact that CentryLink Field has the highest number of false starts in the league dating back to that year. A few other fun moments that help bolster the mystique:


* 2005, Week 7: After a frustrating, low-scoring game very much the antithesis of that year's offense, Seattle finally puts a touchdown on the board to tie the game 10-10 with 1:26 remaining. Immediately afterwards, Jordan Babineaux breaks on a poor pass from Drew Bledsoe and returns it to field goal range, paving the way for Josh Brown to kick a game-winning field goal and tear his helmet off in celebration. Ten-minute swing for Seattle in the final minute and a half.

* 2005, Week 11: In an effort to close out a game they rightfully shouldn't even have had the chance to, the Giants miss three game-winning field goals, two of them in overtime. Seattle's offense finally musters enough ground to get Brown back in range, and he wins another close one.

* 2005, Divisional Round: After two lost fumbles and losing offensive engine Shaun Alexander to a concussion, Matt Hasselbeck puts the team on his back (generous assist from WR Darrell Jackson) and leads his team to a 20-10 win, including a now-immortal image of Hass outsprinting Shawn Springs to the corner of the endzone on a scramble.

* 2006, Week 12: Shaun Alexander pauses his abrupt decline to rush for 201 yards against the Packers in a snow-filled Qwest Field (former name).

* 2006, Wild Card Round: As Dallas lines up to kick a fourth-quarter field-goal and attain a 23-21 lead, Tony Romo decides to hold the football for the kicker and bobbles the snap. Immersed by Seahawks, he lights out for the end zone with the ball and is tackled a yard short by (again) Jordan Babineaux. Seattle regains the ball on downs, the stadium explodes, and Shaun Alexander puts the game on ice with a 20-yard rush on the next play. (A year later, Seattle's covetous GM signs leading Dallas rusher Julius Jones and spends two years regretting it.)

* 2008, Week 16: After a brutal, injury-filled season, the Seahawks host the New York Jets during a rare snowstorm that brought Seattle to a standstill for two weeks. I had just managed to fly into town for Christmas and was watching from the stands as Seattle played a slippery, defensive game worthy of Foxborough, CB Josh Wilson effectively neutralizing Brett Favre singlehandedly during Mike Holmgren's final home game as Seattle head coach. Some Jets DT got a giant snowball smack in the face from a fan and tried to sue, if I remember correctly.

* 2010, Week 3: Battered and scarred from a horrific roster that turned out NOT to be caused by 2008's injury ridiculousness, slowly recovering, and under the watchful eye of the entire Pete Carroll-hating league, Seattle showcases the new talent they've rotated in. Earl Thomas and Red Bryant corral four Chargers turnovers, and Leon Washington breaks two return touchdowns on the way to an unlikely 27-20 victory.

* 2010, Wild-Card Round: The BeastQuake. That is all I will say.

* 2011, Week 10: Still doubted by useless idiots the nation over, Seattle unveils its new Marshawn-Lynch rushing attack for its home fans, grinding out 109 yards against that year's #2 rushing defense, Baltimore. Lynch is currently the league's leading rusher since that week.

* 2011, Week 13: Every phase of the game puts on fireworks for the home fans against Philadelphia. Brandon Browner intercepts Vince Young twice and announces himself as a hard-nosed ballhawk despite getting gifts on both picks; Tarvaris Jackson manages his finest throw of the year, a perfectly-placed back-of-the-endzone TD pass to a leaping Golden Tate; and Lynch scores two touchdowns, including this mini-Beastquake. 38-14 Seattle. (What were you saying about "no blowouts"?)

* 2012, Week 2: Fans holding their breaths expecting another rookie game from Russell Wilson and an exposing light of truth on our bad-QB-hawking defense are pleasantly shocked to watch their Seahawks dominate the inconsistent Dallas Cowboys 27-7, physically and visibly beating the team down. Golden Tate's decleating of Sean Lee keeps the Seahawks highlights flowing to the Internet's .GIF gurus in their mother's basements. (Still not sure what you meant by "no blowouts").

* 2012, Week 3: In what will forever overshadow an incredible defensive performance from Seattle (eight sacks in the first-half against a Pro Bowl QB is an accomplishment and "he's not on his game this year" doesn't diminish that, sorry), Golden Tate manages a miracle game-winning TD in the end zone and simultaneously reduces the nation's unemployment rate by prompting the refs to finally strike the stupid deal. Debate continues over whether it was really a catch, and I couldn't care less. The Green Bay cornerback should've batted the ball down.


So between all the last-minute miracles and expectations-defying statement games that have taken place in Seattle in the last six seasons, our fans definitely feel a right to claim the CLink mystique. Nobody's arguing that this won't compensate for a broken team, but that was the story of 2008-2009. It's not the story anymore.


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Every word this dude said...


Truly amazing post Montana. Glad you summarized it for these simple-minded Patriots BS trolling fans.

Seahawks Stadium is an amazing place to watch a football game. Anybody who disagrees, go just about anywhere else and see how it compares - I can guarantee you one thing: very few stadiums give their team the boost that CenturyLink provides - and very few places have the fan energy that we have here. It's been that way since Bill the Beer Man and continues today.

I mentioned before - I don't know who will win this game - I can guarantee that the Seahawks will be every bit as good as the over-rated Patriots. How "good" these teams are in comparison will manifest themselves in different ways on Sunday - our team is really good, folks. The Patriots are really good for other reasons... You don't get a top-ranked defense by accident and you don't get a top ranked offense by accident. A true clash will occur this weekend - It's just going to be a very fun game!

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So... let me get this straight. The crowd noise doesn't help the hawks win if they don't have a good team. Also doesn't help the hawks with penalties when the hawks are playing some stupid young guys. So what exactly is the HUGE advantage at home for the hawks this week?

If they are a bad team, there is no noise. No cheering, no yelling, no excitement. Cause and effect. Apple falls on the head. And unrelated to penalties, which they also get on the road.

Of course, you know all that stuff and are sitting at your keyboard imagining yourself quite the contrarian provocateur right now because you are getting a few responses from .NETTERS. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

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I do not think IndianFan is a Patsfan, I mean it is SOX country up here lol. I will not minimize HomeField for the Hawks, I figure it will be very simular to the Chiefs HomeField which even when they SUCK is always rocking. I personally dont think its going to effect the Pats O that much. The Pats O line and Offense in general is a veteran unit.

Now someone had addressed the Packers O in here earlier, and I just wanted point out that while the Packers O is usually potent it is VERY different from NE. The Packers rely on stretching the field and using their Outside WR, while the Pats use the Slot and TE wr as well as RB more than the outside WR. So success against ONE does not mean success against the other. 9also doesnt mean your D will not be successful.)

Game IMO hard to call, I think the Pats will score and more importantly I think Our D is going get a score maybe two. But I am a Pats fan I should expect them to win, they usually prove me right lol..

Oh and the Hawks win or lose should know after NE they do NOT face another explosive Offense ALL year. 9Cutler will be sacked like 14 times thanks to his crappy O by your Hawks!)


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Everyone that has played in Seattle for the first time uses Denver or KC as their "oh well I'm sure it won't be that much different from" scenario. They usually leave with bleeding ears.


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(unless the accident you refer to is Bryan Cox nearly killing Bledsoe). I guess you could call my mood "cautiously hopeful, but realistic."


Wasn’t it the Jets Allpro LB Mo Lewis that hit Bledsoe so hard he suffered a ruptured blood vessel in his chest?

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Oh I understand the difference completely. There is nothing mild about the hyperbole of the Clink home field advantage in most hawks' fans minds as evidenced by the exchanges here. I am just honestly trying to understand where that sense of invincibility comes from. Recent home victories? Recent penalties by opposing teams? Historical home victories?


I’d just point out the Seahawks are undefeated at home so far this season, just like the Patri…Oh wait a minute…. Never mind….

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lol Fidelis point well taken, and FYI historically the Razor is a death trap for teams.. Pats have an AMAZING win percentage at home... I mean AZ needed the Pats O play one of their WORSE games ever and the Pats still should have won. (A missed 42 yrd FG is just gawd awful... and a blocked PUNT inexcusable..)


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lol Fidelis point well taken, and FYI historically the Razor is a death trap for teams.. Pats have an AMAZING win percentage at home... I mean AZ needed the Pats O play one of their WORSE games ever and the Pats still should have won. (A missed 42 yrd FG is just gawd awful... and a blocked PUNT inexcusable..)



I hear ya, we’re just a few plays from being 5-0 or 2-3, but in the end of the season it’s only the Ws you got in the bag that count and not how you got them or lost them. We’ve won some improbable games in CenturyLink , here’s hoping there’s no hard feelings if we can add another to the list… :twisted:

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lol Fidelis point well taken, and FYI historically the Razor is a death trap for teams.. Pats have an AMAZING win percentage at home... I mean AZ needed the Pats O play one of their WORSE games ever and the Pats still should have won. (A missed 42 yrd FG is just gawd awful... and a blocked PUNT inexcusable..)



I hear ya, we’re just a few plays from being 5-0 or 2-3, but in the end of the season it’s only the Ws you got in the bag that count and not how you got them or lost them. We’ve won some improbable games in CenturyLink , here’s hoping there’s no hard feelings if we can add another to the list… :twisted:



Not from me, for me its just entertainment all I want is a good game (and preferably a Pats win) but if they lost I wouldnt be crushed.. (The Pats are also like 2 Plays away LITTERALLY from being 5-0 lol)


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