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Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:11 am
  • Rookie QB Russell Wilson is a good game manager, but when you ask him to do more, he just can't get it done . . . as proven by his three interceptions on Sunday. If healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt Flynn inserted as the starter before the midway point of the season.


    He obviously did not watch the game at all to blame those int's on him....
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:13 am
  • Splitting hairs. He still didn't play well.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:13 am
  • -sigh- here we go...
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:22 am
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:Splitting hairs. He still didn't play well.


    I'm pretty sure THAT point is brought up in other threads, the point here is Billick did some weak research before coming to his conclusion. We, as Seahawks fans, know that Wilson had a rough game, but Billick as an analyst should have at least watched some tape and realized that all three of those interceptions had mitigating circumstances and weren't coming out of being poorly thrown balls.

    1) Baldwin had the catch and pretty much dropped it into the defense's arms instead of the ground upon being hit

    2) His arm is hit during release, popping the ball up. This one could be argued to be his fault, but really, even pro bowl qb's have this happen occastionally.

    3) The final interception was thrown to the right place on the field, but as he was throwing, the receiver tripped (either over himself or a defender, I couldn't DVR and re-watch the game since it wasn't aired locally)

    Wilson may have a limited playbook and may still be a little slow reading the field, which is causing a lot of frustration offensively, but his accuracy is not the problem and Billick should really know better. Either he should take the time to actually analyze what he's giving analysis on or he should just not make the statement at all. It's lazy
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:17 pm
  • Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

    Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:19 pm
  • seedhawk wrote:Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

    Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?



    Point here is that he did a crap job of analyzing RW's performance.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:27 pm
  • "as proven by his three interceptions"

    Pretty sure every great and bad QB has had a 3 interception game in their career. Making a habit out of it is part of what distinguishes the bad from the good, but I'd hardly say 1 bad game in a players rookie campaign is proof that he can't be more than a game manager.

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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:09 pm
  • KitsapHawk wrote:
    seedhawk wrote:Billick just might be the best guy to listen to about some of what we are going thru. His Ravens won the SB in 2000 with Dilfer, who Billick then traded to Seattle cuz he was not dynamic enough. Drafted Grbac, excuse me, football elvis. Didn't work, so tried again with Boller. Didn't work and cost him his job. But, those Ravens and our current team have a lot in common. Pretty damn good D, augmented with above average special teams, above the mean running game.

    Ravens finally took Flacco and have stuck with him and are now being rewarded offensively. Is RW our Flacco?



    Point here is that he did a crap job of analyzing RW's performance.


    obviously, prolly wouldn't have printed it if he just stated he did his job to the same error every other QB in the league did, jeez have you seen some of those veterans performing? *cringe.gif*

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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:23 pm
  • Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:32 pm
  • Hey let's keep doing this! It's sure to change something!!
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:44 pm
  • Brian Billick is a dick head one I my least favourite ex coaches to become a talking head. I only think I dislike Cowhead more
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:45 pm
  • SalishHawkFan wrote:Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.

    lol so well said
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:50 pm
  • I love how all the washed-up crappy ex-coaches are suddenly chiming in on the Seahawks. Who's next - Denny Green?? Eric Mangina?

    Billick - you were a garbage coach and owe EVERYTHING to Belichick. You may fool the brainless American masses, but every Browns fan knows you rode Belichicks team to the SuperBowl and could never do squat on your own. That's why you have to sit around in a booth with guys like Matt Millen and Herm Edwards, pretending like you know something. FACT. The only time Billick ever looked good as a coach was on Hard Knocks.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:55 pm
  • Wilson kinda sucks right now. Why the surprise at what billick said?
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:49 am
  • Tech Worlds wrote:Wilson kinda sucks right now. Why the surprise at what billick said?


    What did you expect from a rookie? 400 yards a game?

    And I'm less surprised by what Billick said than the fact he still has a job related to football. And it's true for Herm Edwards and Matt Millen, too. If any of them knew a single goddam thing about football, they'd still have a job in the NFL. But they were fired because they didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. And the entire rest of the NFL saw the level of their incompetence, so they ended up having to take a job outside their field. So honestly, anything they think about how a team should be run, I'd hope Carroll and Schneider would do the opposite.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:18 am
  • HansGruber wrote:
    Tech Worlds wrote:Wilson kinda sucks right now. Why the surprise at what billick said?


    What did you expect from a rookie? 400 yards a game?



    Immediately following RW's 160 yd performance on Sunday . . .

    Ryan Tannehill: 431 yds passing vs Arizona

    RW in Week 1: 153 yds passing vs Arizona



    Just saying . . . :th2thumbs:
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:53 pm
  • SalishHawkFan wrote:Actually, Endzorn reviewed the INTs on coach's tape and thinks the Baldwin INT was on Wilson. He hesitated way too long and allowed the defenders to close on Baldwin who Wilson was telegraphing as his target.

    Look again. He hesitated because a Rams player about halfway between the two of them was going to knock his pass down. So he sidestepped, and threw it. Yeah, he delayed, but if he doesn't, that pass gets nowhere near Baldwin. And don't bring up height on this one, the guy would have knocked down the pass of it was the tallest QB in the league throwing it.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:57 pm
  • I doubt anyone really contends that he sucks right now. I am one of this biggest Wilson supporters. This is the one guy I wanted in the draft. That being said, it is very difficult to watch these "growing pains." I feel like if we just had a touch more out of the QB, this team is a real contender. I just hope he figures it out sooner than later. I have faith he will.... Yeah... He will....
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:20 pm
  • Bottom line is that he is playing very poorly right now. We all can see it, even if we don't want to admit it. At this point, it doesn't matter what any analyst or message board poster says about him. Either he plays better and the hawks get some wins, or he continues to play poorly and the hawks lose and hopefully make a change.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:29 pm
  • manders2600 wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:
    Tech Worlds wrote:Wilson kinda sucks right now. Why the surprise at what billick said?


    What did you expect from a rookie? 400 yards a game?



    Immediately following RW's 160 yd performance on Sunday . . .

    Ryan Tannehill: 431 yds passing vs Arizona

    RW in Week 1: 153 yds passing vs Arizona



    Just saying . . . :th2thumbs:



    How many dozens of times did Tannehill throw downfield, and compare that to Wilson...
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:06 pm
  • Funny I was thinking Billick won a super bowl with the ultimate Game Manager and yet somehow this is now a bad thing? Funny how the world turns

    And I do think RW will be more than a game manager - I expect him to be what we see in the 2 minute drills a qb that can move the team down the field
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:27 pm
  • KitsapHawk wrote:
    manders2600 wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:What did you expect from a rookie? 400 yards a game?



    Immediately following RW's 160 yd performance on Sunday . . .

    Ryan Tannehill: 431 yds passing vs Arizona

    RW in Week 1: 153 yds passing vs Arizona



    Just saying . . . :th2thumbs:



    How many dozens of times did Tannehill throw downfield, and compare that to Wilson...


    Tannehill attempted 41 passes against Arizona, and RW attempted 34 passes against Arizona.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:34 pm
  • KitsapHawk wrote:
    manders2600 wrote:


    How many dozens of times did Tannehill throw downfield, and compare that to Wilson...



    Tannehill attempted 41 passes against Arizona, and RW attempted 34 passes against Arizona.



    How many were on that last drive, on a short field?
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:36 pm
  • Most coaches I respect. He on the other hand is a dumbass. Stop listening to yourself talk and do some research, dimwit.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:37 pm
  • KitsapHawk wrote:
    KitsapHawk wrote:
    manders2600 wrote:


    How many dozens of times did Tannehill throw downfield, and compare that to Wilson...



    Tannehill attempted 41 passes against Arizona, and RW attempted 34 passes against Arizona.



    How many were on that last drive, on a short field?


    I have no idea, and don't really care to look it up (though you should feel free). ;)

    The point, I think, was that blaming RW's struggles on his rookie QB status would be more convincing if there were any rookie QB playing worse than RW.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:43 pm
  • The point, I think, was that blaming RW's struggles on his rookie QB status would be more convincing if there were any rookie QB playing worse than RW.


    Brandon Weeden? There is more to a Qb than simple passing yards, especially desperation yards near the end of games.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:43 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:Billick - you were a garbage coach and owe EVERYTHING to Belichick.


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    What the hell does he owe Belichick? Do you even know who Brian Billick is?

    Love how when someone like Warren Moon praises Wilson - it means something because he played QB. But when other media pundits criticize him, it means nothing because of (insert reason here).
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:55 pm
  • Basis4day wrote:
    The point, I think, was that blaming RW's struggles on his rookie QB status would be more convincing if there were any rookie QB playing worse than RW.


    Brandon Weeden? There is more to a Qb than simple passing yards, especially desperation yards near the end of games.


    Yes, there is.

    Have you watched Weeden play? He's gotten better each week, though I really don't think he'll be that good in the end.

    RW, on the other hand, has regressed. As defenses realize he does not have the ability to throw short passes or step up into the pocket, he becomes easier to defend.

    Weeden, Tannehill, RG3, and Luck are showing the ability to do new things each week, which makes them less predictable, and provides hope that they are going to get better.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:02 pm
  • manders2600 wrote:
    Basis4day wrote:
    The point, I think, was that blaming RW's struggles on his rookie QB status would be more convincing if there were any rookie QB playing worse than RW.


    Brandon Weeden? There is more to a Qb than simple passing yards, especially desperation yards near the end of games.


    Yes, there is.

    Have you watched Weeden play? He's gotten better each week, though I really don't think he'll be that good in the end.

    RW, on the other hand, has regressed. As defenses realize he does not have the ability to throw short passes or step up into the pocket, he becomes easier to defend.

    Weeden, Tannehill, RG3, and Luck are showing the ability to do new things each week, which makes them less predictable, and provides hope that they are going to get better.


    Weeden has only Trent Richardson too. Wilson has many more weapons at his disposal, and yet Weeden is still playing far better than him IMO. Take away his first game which was ugly, and his last 3 look very good:

    879 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT.

    And again.. he plays in NFL purgatory.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:13 pm
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    HansGruber wrote:Billick - you were a garbage coach and owe EVERYTHING to Belichick.


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    What the hell does he owe Belichick? Do you even know who Brian Billick is?

    Love how when someone like Warren Moon praises Wilson - it means something because he played QB. But when other media pundits criticize him, it means nothing because of (insert reason here).



    You obviously have not got a clue; Bill Belichick built the Cleveland Browns Team before it moved to Baltimore and won a superbowl... We all know who Billick is man.

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Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:26 pm
  • KitsapHawk wrote:You obviously have not got a clue; Bill Belichick built the Cleveland Browns Team before it moved to Baltimore and won a superbowl... We all know who Billick is man.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Cleve ... wns_season


    You're right.. without Bill Belichick sucking, the team wouldn't have drafted Ray Lewis and then... added a ton of other pieces the following FIVE years

    Belichick created Billick. The end.

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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:27 pm
  • I'm amazed at how many people take criticism of Wilson almost personally in here, lashing out at others and people like Billick who are doing nothing more than stating the obvious........Wilson is. Not. Playing. Well.

    Are you Russell apologist defending him because he's a rookie? Must be cause if this was Flynn or T-Jack throwing up these horrible passing numbers, you'd all be screaming for change.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:47 pm
  • I certainly hope our pass rush can become more consistent! I'd love to see Cam sacked 3-4 times this weekend!
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:57 pm
  • I didn't see the game, couldn't a WR have at least tried for "simultaneous possession"? They only had to touch the ball. I think the WRs let this team down last week. :lol:
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:39 am
  • This thread reached epic status the second Tannehill was compared favorably to Wilson.

    I just... wow... just wow.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:28 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm amazed at how many people take criticism of Wilson almost personally in here, lashing out at others and people like Billick who are doing nothing more than stating the obvious........Wilson is. Not. Playing. Well.

    Are you Russell apologist defending him because he's a rookie? Must be cause if this was Flynn or T-Jack throwing up these horrible passing numbers, you'd all be screaming for change.

    Seahawk fans (not Russell apologists, condescension drips off that and you know it) who like Russell like him because of his potential. Do you imagine during Peyton Manning's rookie season some Colts fans were saying he was Not. Playing. Well? Because he wasn't.

    Stop basing your opinion purely on results, and start examining the process. You will have more fun, maybe even a bit more hope.
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:33 am
  • Elway was dreadful his first year. How did that turn out?
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Re: Brian Billick on Seattle
Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:43 am
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    KitsapHawk wrote:You obviously have not got a clue; Bill Belichick built the Cleveland Browns Team before it moved to Baltimore and won a superbowl... We all know who Billick is man.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Cleve ... wns_season


    You're right.. without Bill Belichick sucking, the team wouldn't have drafted Ray Lewis and then... added a ton of other pieces the following FIVE years

    Belichick created Billick. The end.

    :lol:

    My response to this got erased in the "blackout". I always assumed you were a contrarian because you disagreed with how Pete ran things, but now I see it might just be your personality.

    Bill Belichick and Ozzie Newsome had zeroed in on Ray Lewis during Bill's last season in Cleveland. Bill's Cleveland team was leading the division when the move to Baltimore was announced, then his team tanked. Ozzie Newsome to this day gives Bill all the credit for showing him how to draft players.

    Now I realize that looking this kind of stuff up is time consuming and doesn't serve your argument. It certainly would cut into your passive aggressive schtick and ruin your snark, but you would be smarter. Maybe, right before you post, you could think about the old NBC public service announcement, "the more you know".
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