knownone wrote:Did I miss something? why are people so down of Russell Wilson?
That's a difficult question to answer, according to team sources, considering that the tendinitis in Flynn’s right elbow that played a major part in him losing the job to Wilson in the preseason is an injury that Flynn has never had to deal with before.
Hawks46 wrote:So, in your opinion Kearly, are Wilson's shortcomings something that he needs to work through by physically playing, or would he have been better served sitting behind Flynn and watching for a year ?
I've always been a big proponent of sitting your rookies, but there are times (like the Panthers last year) where you have nothing to lose and you might as well.
CANHawk wrote:knownone wrote:Did I miss something? why are people so down of Russell Wilson?
Apparently he's short.
Tech Worlds wrote:What if Carroll would have said it would take 6 years to win.?
Sounds like a built in excuse to fail if you ask me.
Hawks46 wrote:One of Flynn's strengths was that he knows how to throw guys open. I thought at the beginning of the year this would be his strength that would help us now. Yes, Wilson's mobility would be better suited behind our OL. Yes, Flynn would probably take more sacks (although that's looking debatable). But for guys that don't get separation, but are in the right place, you throw to the open spot in the zone, and let the WR go get it. Flynn also has much better deep accurace at this point in his career than Wilson does, and I'd say he's just as good if not better in play action. PC even admitted he was farther ahead in the playbook and reading defenses, and also making presnap adjustments.
MontanaHawk05 wrote:Hawks46 wrote:One of Flynn's strengths was that he knows how to throw guys open. I thought at the beginning of the year this would be his strength that would help us now. Yes, Wilson's mobility would be better suited behind our OL. Yes, Flynn would probably take more sacks (although that's looking debatable). But for guys that don't get separation, but are in the right place, you throw to the open spot in the zone, and let the WR go get it. Flynn also has much better deep accurace at this point in his career than Wilson does, and I'd say he's just as good if not better in play action. PC even admitted he was farther ahead in the playbook and reading defenses, and also making presnap adjustments.
PC has also said that he would be limiting the playbook as much with Flynn as he is with Wilson. Ergo, Flynn would not be allowed to be throwing into tight coverages, because that's what Wilson is being barred from.
There is a huge difference between throwing receivers open and throwing into tight windows, in fact they are nearly the opposite. Throwing receivers open is what leads to YAC which is another area we are strugling in.
As far as the rest, Flynn's strengths would win him some plays that Wilson is not winning, but the O-line situation would be leaving him in a lot of 3rd-down-and-long situations that Wilson is salvaging. It's a deadly tradeoff. Sacks are a danger because they're a fumble risk, and the pressure that creates them also becomes an interception risk. Flynn has shown a high turnover rate in his limited play.
The o-line play is not nearly as bad as you think either. Wilson is not taking three step drops and hitting receivers in stride, he is having to drop deep into the pocket to aide his vision and giving DC's absolutely no reason not to send the house after him. Those three step drops Flynn was using in the Detroit game were responsible for YAC and backing the opponents defense off the LOS. That is how you burn defenses for cheating the box, add in a nice deep ball every now and then and you keep defenses on their heals. Another team with a less than stellar O-line is the Packers. Rogers has been a pinata behind that line.
I actually think of Wilson like Marshawn Lynch in his first game in Seattle, against the Bears. He had terrible stats, but he fought hard for yardage and turned what would have been damaging stops for losses with Julius Jones, into no-gains or small chunks. Didn't seem like a big deal until you realized that Matt Hasselbeck was enjoying a lot more manageable 3rd-and-5/6/7 situations as a result, instead of constant 3rd-and-10+'s. That played a big role in the offense's ability to string drives together. You think Wilson's bad on 3rd down and 6? Try Flynn behind a porous weak-side O-line on 3rd-and-10.
RichNhansom wrote:And anyone who is justifying to give up wins now because they are afraid Wilson might not get another chance are no better than the suck for Luck crowd. If Wilson is anywhere near what we hope he is then he will get his shot. His work ethic and leadership will force it. Yes I interpret not giving Flynn a chance when Wilson is ranked as the worst QB in the NFL right now as willing to give up wins. You aren't willing to even look because your afraid that he may prevent Wilson from becoming our hero but the fact is the only way that happens ifs if Flynn is winning. How is this a problem?
RichNhansom wrote:Yes I interpret not giving Flynn a chance when Wilson is ranked as the worst QB in the NFL right now as willing to give up wins. You aren't willing to even look because your afraid that he may prevent Wilson from becoming our hero but the fact is the only way that happens if its Flynn is winning. How is this a problem?
Throwdown wrote:RichNhansom wrote:And anyone who is justifying to give up wins now because they are afraid Wilson might not get another chance are no better than the suck for Luck crowd. If Wilson is anywhere near what we hope he is then he will get his shot. His work ethic and leadership will force it. Yes I interpret not giving Flynn a chance when Wilson is ranked as the worst QB in the NFL right now as willing to give up wins. You aren't willing to even look because your afraid that he may prevent Wilson from becoming our hero but the fact is the only way that happens ifs if Flynn is winning. How is this a problem?
He isn't costing us any games, so how is anyone giving up wins?
We're a few misfortunate plays away from 4-0, Wilson is not the issue here.
edogg23 wrote:Throwdown wrote:RichNhansom wrote:And anyone who is justifying to give up wins now because they are afraid Wilson might not get another chance are no better than the suck for Luck crowd. If Wilson is anywhere near what we hope he is then he will get his shot. His work ethic and leadership will force it. Yes I interpret not giving Flynn a chance when Wilson is ranked as the worst QB in the NFL right now as willing to give up wins. You aren't willing to even look because your afraid that he may prevent Wilson from becoming our hero but the fact is the only way that happens ifs if Flynn is winning. How is this a problem?
He isn't costing us any games, so how is anyone giving up wins?
We're a few misfortunate plays away from 4-0, Wilson is not the issue here.
Some people would disagree with this assessment. Even an average passing offense and we are 4-0
FidelisHawk wrote:
By average do you mean like New England who averages 294 yds a game and lost to Az by 8 or Chicago who averages 206 yds a game and beat St Louis by 17?
Or maybe you mean like Philadelphia who averages 272 yds a game and lost to Az. by 17 instead of St Louis who averages 183 yds a game and beat them easily?
So listen, I too have been a silent advocate for Flynn to start from the get go, but to think he will be the savior for this team is a little naïve and to think any of us know more about how to win football games than Carroll is a little assuming to say the least…
Tech Worlds wrote:I think when i go to my next job that I am just going to tell my boss from the get go that it will be 4 years before my job performance meets expectations.
Tech Worlds wrote:I think when i go to my next job that I am just going to tell my boss from the get go that it will be 4 years before my job performance meets expectations.
MontanaHawk05 wrote:Tech Worlds wrote:I think when i go to my next job that I am just going to tell my boss from the get go that it will be 4 years before my job performance meets expectations.
Sneer all you want. The 49ers are pretty happy right now.
Tech Worlds wrote:MontanaHawk05 wrote:Tech Worlds wrote:I think when i go to my next job that I am just going to tell my boss from the get go that it will be 4 years before my job performance meets expectations.
Sneer all you want. The 49ers are pretty happy right now.
Hell ya they are. Coach walks in year one and wins. We may have to do something like that in the near future.
Tech Worlds wrote:I think when i go to my next job that I am just going to tell my boss from the get go that it will be 4 years before my job performance meets expectations.
Tech Worlds wrote:I still am wondering if Pete Carroll should be on the hot seat.
themunn wrote:Just re-read this thread.
Easy for me to remind myself why you're my favourite poster here Scott.
MizzouHawkGal wrote:themunn wrote:Just re-read this thread.
Easy for me to remind myself why you're my favourite poster here Scott.
I did skim. So what's up? I mean I knew he was HoF from the start like Tyler Lockett given I actually watched both in person. So please inform me given I'm not a football guru.
Being a Seahawks fan right now is eerily similar to being a Pittsburgh fan in the 1970's. Just ask my brothers. Big time drafts and more coming.
themunn wrote:MizzouHawkGal wrote:themunn wrote:Just re-read this thread.
Easy for me to remind myself why you're my favourite poster here Scott.
I did skim. So what's up? I mean I knew he was HoF from the start like Tyler Lockett given I actually watched both in person. So please inform me given I'm not a football guru.
Being a Seahawks fan right now is eerily similar to being a Pittsburgh fan in the 1970's. Just ask my brothers. Big time drafts and more coming.
I'm not quite sure what the question is here, but Scott's always been a great poster, and him keeping a level head and addressing everyone's concerns with great points and opinions was a perfect example.
Scottemojo wrote:Anyone remember the miserable look on Flynn's face during a postgame celebration? IIRC, he got the game ball for being in victory formation or something like that. Everyone else is happy, and he looks like a bird shit on his lip. Pete has mastered the art of subtley being a a dick to guys who don't really buy in, and that was one of those moments. I knew Flynn was gone after the year right then.
It is currently Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:27 pm
Return to [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]