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  • Fade wrote:So as they ran their little RB, right behind little Joey Hunt, going against Fletcher Cox, for loss after loss.

    Not to pick on you here Fade but I've seen different forms of this comment several times. It certainly captures the feeling of our run game struggling but I don't think it reflects reality. If you're going to use that as a basis for your opinion on the coaching staff then it warrants more consideration.

    I had Homer charted for 13 touches with the following notes.
    25 Seahawks/Eagles wrote:1. 2nd and 1. Fletcher Cox lines up between Ifedi and Fluker in the B gap. Homer is heading for the left A gap, but Cox beats Ifedi inside so quickly crosses the formation to tackle Homer in the backfield.

    2. 1st and 10. Homer runs to the right but sees Ifedi getting beat and cuts it back inside on his own, tackled by the CB after 2 yards.

    3. 1st and 10. Homer gets a toss to the left and turns the corner around the outside, tackled by the CB after 12 yards.

    4. 1st and 10. Fletcher Cox lines up between Ifedi and Fluker in the B gap. Cox throws Fluker to the ground! and comes back to tackle Homer while he was heading for the right A gap.

    5. 2nd and 2. Double CB run blitz, neither is picked up (Hollister and nobody). CBs sandwich Homer in the backfield. Cox is blocked relatively well by Hunt on the play.

    6. 1st and 10. Check down pass to Homer nullified by holding penalty from Fluker (holding Cox).

    7. 1st and 20. Cox lines up in right A gap, Homer heads for the left A gap and is tackled by the completely unblocked right DE who was lined up wide and not picked up. Fundamental screw up here somewhere.

    8. 2nd and 19. Quick pass right to Homer who gets tackled by the first eagles CB on the scene.

    9. 2nd and 6. Homer runs through the left C gap but Hollister is unable to block the DE who makes the tackle.

    10. 1st and 10. Toss to Homer who runs to the left out of bounds losing a yard.

    11. 2nd and 15. Jones and Fant are pulling to the right B gap but Jones trips and falls. Fant is slow to the point of attack and by the time Homer gets there he is gang tackled by three Eagles (including Cox).

    12. 2nd and 9. One of Homer's few runs up the middle. This one is blocked pretty well but Homer is immediately tackled by the Mike one on one.

    13. 1st and 10. Toss to Homer towards the left sideline, he gets swarmed by Eagles but they knew it was going to be a run due to game situation (running out clock).

    Cox had a really dominant game but was often lined up in the B gap. Hunt did a pretty nice job on most of these plays. The Hawks also did a lot to get Homer touches in different ways and to different parts of the field. Homer looked like a rookie and wasn't able to make anybody miss in the open field, but it was a small sample size against an excellent run defense.
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  • Fade wrote:
    2010 was Pete's best coaching performance and it really isn't close. He brought innovations to the game that forced other teams to copy. And took Tim Ruskell players to the playoffs, and upset the double digit favored Saints.


    I could argue that using the same innovation and philosophy to turn over a roster the second time was a much harder coaching performance then the first time.

    Much harder to jettison some VERY popular players, get the cap right and turn the roster over for a second time...................... all the while winning and working your ass off to sell your style and philosophy to a entire new group of players and coaches, and here we are once again knocking on the door of another NFC Championship game.

    Both are hard, and both are admirable. But IMO the sustaining and repeating is much harder.
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  • Fade wrote:I am not here to piss in anyone's cheerios, but I am going to have to inject some reality into this thread.

    2010 was his best coaching performance. When he brought real innovations to the league, and had a team playing way over it's head to upset the defending Superbowl Champion Saints in the playoffs.

    His innovations were playing big corners, when everyone was drafting 5-11'' corners with sprinter's speed. Pete was going after big corners who weren't as fast, but where physical, and could contest big WR's. Also in the secondary he went big at SS, when the league was going with smaller safeties that could cover. Pete drafted a guy that looked like Lawrence Taylor to play SS. Teams around the league also laughed at the Seahawks for extending Kam, and making him the 2nd highest paid SS in the league back in 2013. They weren't laughing by 2015. At that point every team was looking for a Kam. Eventually the league caught up to what the Seahawks were doing and implemented it into their bag of tricks.


    Wilson is carrying dead bodies over the finish line right now.

    They are, and have been bad on defense, bad on special teams, bad on the O-Line, getting out-schemed most games, falling behind in analytics. Even the dinosaur, Mike McCarthy, is hiring a 14 man analytics team to bring with him to Dallas.

    2 missed 40 yard FGs away from being 1-5 in the Division. Where Pete was thoroughly out coached in divisional games. Bumbled it on the 1 yard line once again, costing the franchise a division title.

    I am thankful for some of the lucky bounces they have had this season to give them an inflated record, and Wilson showing once again he can put the franchise on his back, but Pete needs to be better.
    Build a defense, get his QB an O-Line, understand what to do in short yardage situations in enemy territory, figure out how to play Sean McVay's offense, etc, etc. or they are going to spoil their best chance at winning a Super Bowl with a Franchise QB in his prime in the upcoming years.

    So as they ran their little RB, right behind little Joey Hunt, going against Fletcher Cox, for loss after loss. Thus forcing Wilson to consistently make magic happen, converting 2nd and longs, 3rd and longs, all game long, which are crazy hard to convert btw, on scramble plays none the less, what ran through y'alls head was, that's great coaching? ...Interesting.

    I will give him credit though, as he learned from last year's playoff debacle, losing to Jason Garrett, and let Russ cook.

    Wilson is carrying dead bodies over the finish line, and am wondering if he could actually carry them to the NFC championship. That is some John Elway ish right there, back when he had no help.

    2010 was Pete's best coaching performance and it really isn't close. He brought innovations to the game that forced other teams to copy. And took Tim Ruskell players to the playoffs, and upset the double digit favored Saints.


    Great post and thank you for the voice of reason! :irishdrinkers:
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  • AgentDib wrote:
    Fade wrote:So as they ran their little RB, right behind little Joey Hunt, going against Fletcher Cox, for loss after loss.

    Not to pick on you here Fade but I've seen different forms of this comment several times. It certainly captures the feeling of our run game struggling but I don't think it reflects reality. If you're going to use that as a basis for your opinion on the coaching staff then it warrants more consideration.

    I had Homer charted for 13 touches with the following notes.
    25 Seahawks/Eagles wrote:1. 2nd and 1. Fletcher Cox lines up between Ifedi and Fluker in the B gap. Homer is heading for the left A gap, but Cox beats Ifedi inside so quickly crosses the formation to tackle Homer in the backfield.

    2. 1st and 10. Homer runs to the right but sees Ifedi getting beat and cuts it back inside on his own, tackled by the CB after 2 yards.

    3. 1st and 10. Homer gets a toss to the left and turns the corner around the outside, tackled by the CB after 12 yards.

    4. 1st and 10. Fletcher Cox lines up between Ifedi and Fluker in the B gap. Cox throws Fluker to the ground! and comes back to tackle Homer while he was heading for the right A gap.

    5. 2nd and 2. Double CB run blitz, neither is picked up (Hollister and nobody). CBs sandwich Homer in the backfield. Cox is blocked relatively well by Hunt on the play.

    6. 1st and 10. Check down pass to Homer nullified by holding penalty from Fluker (holding Cox).

    7. 1st and 20. Cox lines up in right A gap, Homer heads for the left A gap and is tackled by the completely unblocked right DE who was lined up wide and not picked up. Fundamental screw up here somewhere.

    8. 2nd and 19. Quick pass right to Homer who gets tackled by the first eagles CB on the scene.

    9. 2nd and 6. Homer runs through the left C gap but Hollister is unable to block the DE who makes the tackle.

    10. 1st and 10. Toss to Homer who runs to the left out of bounds losing a yard.

    11. 2nd and 15. Jones and Fant are pulling to the right B gap but Jones trips and falls. Fant is slow to the point of attack and by the time Homer gets there he is gang tackled by three Eagles (including Cox).

    12. 2nd and 9. One of Homer's few runs up the middle. This one is blocked pretty well but Homer is immediately tackled by the Mike one on one.

    13. 1st and 10. Toss to Homer towards the left sideline, he gets swarmed by Eagles but they knew it was going to be a run due to game situation (running out clock).

    Cox had a really dominant game but was often lined up in the B gap. Hunt did a pretty nice job on most of these plays. The Hawks also did a lot to get Homer touches in different ways and to different parts of the field. Homer looked like a rookie and wasn't able to make anybody miss in the open field, but it was a small sample size against an excellent run defense.


    Pick on me? :lol:

    17 carries, 18 yards from the RBs. The numbers speak for themselves. Fletcher Cox had a huge impact on that, if you do not possess the football acumen to recognize that, then their is nothing I can do to help you.

    Good thing Wilson was there to pick up the slack.


    "Russell Wilson makes chicken salad out of gas station jerky, more than any other QB." -Dan Orlovsky

    Starts at the 4 min mark. Orlovsky with a nice breakdown.
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  • 710 ESPN Seattle coincidentally asked the following question this afternoon:

    TOM, JAKE AND STACY -- January 9, 2020 - Hour 3

    Has 2019 been Pete Carroll's best coaching job? Tom, Jake, and Stacy take a look to open up the third hour.

    https://sports.mynorthwest.com/category ... +and+Stacy
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