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  • Here's a thought:

    We lost the bye week, so make our own. Rest everyone for week 17. Except if Lynch comes back - he'll need the warm up. Concede the game.

    We don't need the home game if we win, as the hawks are far better on the road this year. Heal everyone up, take a rest/bye week, get as many people healthy as possible - and then take the playoffs on the road. Start game planning early for the 1st road playoff game - would have 2 weeks.

    And honestly, if we try too hard to win the 49ers game, couldn't our injury situation get worse? Then we're REALLY done.

    I'm not scared of our road record this year, and i could care less about the division - as long as we're a bit healthier and rested - on the road is probably better. We're already in.

    I know this is heresy - but might have merit.
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  • Logically, it makes sense, but can you see anyone on this team wanting to do this against their division rival? I'm sure the division was a big goal; let them try to finish what they started. It's probably what's best for team morale.
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  • ddores wrote:Here's a thought:

    We lost the bye week, so make our own. Rest everyone for week 17. Except if Lynch comes back - he'll need the warm up. Concede the game.

    We don't need the home game if we win, as the hawks are far better on the road this year. Heal everyone up, take a rest/bye week, get as many people healthy as possible - and then take the playoffs on the road. Start game planning early for the 1st road playoff game - would have 2 weeks.

    And honestly, if we try too hard to win the 49ers game, couldn't our injury situation get worse? Then we're REALLY done.

    I'm not scared of our road record this year, and i could care less about the division - as long as we're a bit healthier and rested - on the road is probably better. We're already in.

    I know this is heresy - but might have merit.



    Not that this would EVER happen, but for it to really make sense we would have to know:

    Would a win get us the 2 seed or the 3 seed?

    Would a loss put us as the 5 seed (playing probably Philly?) or as the 6 seed (playing Minny/GB/Saints?

    Does another week off give us a nearly full strength Clowney? Diggs? Griffin?

    There is room in my brain to entertain a world where playing Philly on the road is better than hosting Minnesota or Green Bay as the 3 seed, but if you have a chance at the 2 and a bye? Nope, too valuable to throw away.

    But I sorta get it.
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  • It’s a home game for the division and we still have a legitimate shot at the #1 or #2 seed. You don’t concede a game with that kind of opportunity on the line. Instead, you come out and throw the kitchen sink at Niners and do everything in your power to have a chance at the bye week.
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  • If Vikings win tonight.. at home, not unlikely at all, we are in the dirivers seat for a bye week again. So wth he talking about ?
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  • Has anybody thought of bringing a life-size big-tittay blow up doll to distract GQ at the game?
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  • Fire up the Herm Edwards clip.
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  • I would rather be beheaded in a Turkish prison than lay down for the 49ers.

    Never surrender!!!
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  • I dont know if I have ever seen a playoff team that needs a win for momentum reasons more than this one.
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  • iigakusei wrote:Fire up the Herm Edwards clip.


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  • They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period


    We got like 8 starters out on the defensive line, offensive line, linebackers, secondary. Our team is decimated. Thus the less dominant defense as compared to what we started the year with. We got the backups of the backups of backups at some positions. We got a practice squad scrub starting on the defensive line because of all our injuries. We are totally decimated. Our team is very, very injured. Trust me. This is not a healthy team.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period


    We got like 8 starters out on the defensive line, offensive line, linebackers, secondary. Our team is decimated. Thus the less dominant defense as compared to what we started the year with. We got the backups of the backups of backups at some positions. We got a practice squad scrub starting on the defensive line because of all our injuries. We are totally decimated. Our team is very, very injured. Trust me. This is not a healthy team.

    Can we borrow one of your 3 starting running backs? We are down our 4th.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period


    We got like 8 starters out on the defensive line, offensive line, linebackers, secondary. Our team is decimated. Thus the less dominant defense as compared to what we started the year with. We got the backups of the backups of backups at some positions. We got a practice squad scrub starting on the defensive line because of all our injuries. We are totally decimated. Our team is very, very injured. Trust me. This is not a healthy team.

    Can we borrow one of your 3 starting running backs? We are down our 4th.


    Yeah I know your situation is real bad and I don't down play it. I was real sad to see my guy Rashaad Penny from San Diego State Aztecs go down. Especially when he was starting to get it and show you a glimpse of what he can really be. Plus all the other guys. You never hope for anybody to be injured on any team. We are both pretty beat up. We will just have to try to do our best and see how it comes about. Ideally both teams would rather be more healthy than this.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period


    We got like 8 starters out on the defensive line, offensive line, linebackers, secondary. Our team is decimated. Thus the less dominant defense as compared to what we started the year with. We got the backups of the backups of backups at some positions. We got a practice squad scrub starting on the defensive line because of all our injuries. We are totally decimated. Our team is very, very injured. Trust me. This is not a healthy team.


    Thing is, you've got most of your key starters or adequate replacements, with the possible exception of Tartt. You still have Mostert/Coleman/Brieda, Staley/McGlinchey, Kittle, Sanders/Deebo, AA/Buckner/Bosa, Sherm/Witherspoon all healthy, whereas last time we met half of them weren't.

    We meanwhile have lost not only Britt, but our first three RBs, WR Josh Gordon, Al Woods--all within a week. It's iffy if Quandre Diggs and Clowney can go Week 17.

    Our present position feels closer to the Eagles than the 49ers. But who knows. The Eagles lost almost all their WRs. They were left with a 5'6" 200 pound PS dude as their RB. They were down three scores. Pedersen got creative. They won.

    That's the X-factor here: creativity/flexibility. I hope Pete lets Russ make more calls, and that they're more daring. I want to know we stepped up even if we do lose.
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  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:They say the same thing on the 49erswebzone about us. LOL. We are just as beat up as you. Many, many starters out on both sides of the ball. Some for the year. Some can come back for the playoffs and could use some more rest. But I think the reality of the NFL is that when you are playing for the division, playoff seeding and in our case the possible #1 seed in the playoffs and a bye and home field advantage you just play your guys and hope for the best. Nobody wants more injuries. Everybody would rather be healthy for a playoff run rather than worrying about a regular season game. But this regular season game is hugely important to both teams in different ways. So they won't really ignore it.

    No, you are not as beat up as we are. Period


    We got like 8 starters out on the defensive line, offensive line, linebackers, secondary. Our team is decimated. Thus the less dominant defense as compared to what we started the year with. We got the backups of the backups of backups at some positions. We got a practice squad scrub starting on the defensive line because of all our injuries. We are totally decimated. Our team is very, very injured. Trust me. This is not a healthy team.


    Thing is, you've got most of your key starters or adequate replacements, with the possible exception of Tartt. You still have Mostert/Coleman/Brieda, Staley/McGlinchey, Kittle, Sanders/Deebo, AA/Buckner/Bosa, Sherm/Witherspoon all healthy, whereas last time we met half of them weren't.

    We meanwhile have lost not only Britt, but our first three RBs, WR Josh Gordon, Al Woods--all within a week. It's iffy if Quandre Diggs and Clowney can go Week 17.

    Our present position feels closer to the Eagles than the 49ers. But who knows. The Eagles lost almost all their WRs. They were left with a 5'6" 200 pound PS dude as their RB. They were down three scores. Pedersen got creative. They won.

    That's the X-factor here: creativity/flexibility. I hope Pete lets Russ make more calls, and that they're more daring. I want to know we stepped up even if we do lose.


    Some of those guys are back this time for us. Some are still out. A big one is Dee Ford the edge rusher and multiple other defensive linemen who are out. Dee Ford + Nick Bosa gives you 2 fast edge rushers creating great pass rush. With just Bosa coming and Ford out you can double team Bosa. That makes our pass rush much less effective. Thus the shoot out games we have been in lately as opposed to holding the other team down to lower points like the beginning of the year. Another big one is Winston Richburg the Center. Out for the year. Our interior pass blocking has been much less good for both run blocking and creating an effective pocket for pass blocking.

    Staley, Mcglinchely, Emmanuel Sanders, George Kittle, and Robbie Gould (1st string kicker) being some version of back or much more healthy for this game as opposed to the last one is a big, big deal. I will give you that. Those guys were mostly outright out of the game and some were playing very injured. All are back now and mostly healthy. That's a big deal. A difference to this game as opposed to the last. But we are far from a completely healthy team. In fact we have some key injuries still. A lot of them.
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  • Dee and Richburg are great to haves, but you're not killed by them not being there. Dee hasn't been taking all the snaps even when healthy, which he often isn't. Your team has mostly adjusted and continues to win.

    Whereas we at RB have one healthy guy who came off the PS. He might be great someday but for now he's a special teams guy being forced into the role. Our greatest hope is Beast and his backup.

    And apparently Turbin has sailed through but there's still a delay with Marshawn (the one signing that'd cheer me up even as it is likely futile). PC/JS shouldn't have blown the horn saying he had a great chance to be hired if there was going to be a weed question. Which there should have been given that ML's been publicly seen lighting blunts off the torch at Raiders Stadium.
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  • SantaClaraHawk wrote:Dee and Richburg are great to haves, but you're not killed by them not being there. Dee hasn't been taking all the snaps even when healthy, which he often isn't. Your team has mostly adjusted and continues to win.

    Whereas we at RB have one healthy guy who came off the PS. He might be great someday but for now he's a special teams guy being forced into the role. Our greatest hope is Beast and his backup.

    And apparently Turbin has sailed through but there's still a delay with Marshawn (the one signing that'd cheer me up even as it is likely futile). PC/JS shouldn't have blown the horn saying he had a great chance to be hired if there was going to be a weed question. Which there should have been given that ML's been publicly seen lighting blunts off the torch at Raiders Stadium.


    Dee Ford is a pretty big deal. Our pass rush is really ferocious with him and Bosa both coming off the edge. Then Armstead and Buckner coming in the middle. That's a monstrous front 4. You can drop 7 into coverage with that. Because that is enough to get there and cause a lot of problems. It's kind of a big deal not having him even if he can only come in on 3rd downs and be a pass rush specialist. It was different in the beginning of the year with 2 edger rushers who can get there. Lots more sacks, interceptions, and fumbles caused.
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  • If the vikings win tonight, we lose next week and the other games play along with the odds, we end up playing the eagles I believe. After playing with the ESPN calculator, I think this is the best result as getting 1 or 2 seed is a longshot. Other options are playing the viks or packers in the wild card round. I would much rather play the eagles.
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  • johnnyfever wrote:If the vikings win tonight, we lose next week and the other games play along with the odds, we end up playing the eagles I believe. After playing with the ESPN calculator, I think this is the best result as getting 1 or 2 seed is a longshot. Other options are playing the viks or packers in the wild card round. I would much rather play the eagles.


    I would rather play the Eagles for sure and I think you can beat them if it goes that route. The Eagles aren't that intimidating.
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  • I agree with the idea espically since the 3 seed is the best we can do and to be honest i feel better playing the Eagles on the road then i do the Vikings at home. The think i can't agree with is not trying to win the division it just sends a bad message in my opinion.
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  • getnasty wrote:I agree with the idea espically since the 3 seed is the best we can do and to be honest i feel better playing the Eagles on the road then i do the Vikings at home. The think i can't agree with is not trying to win the division it just sends a bad message in my opinion.


    Sort of where I'm at. I think we are at worst a 5 now.. Which means the Eagles in Philly.

    Take the week to work out some kinks and get healthy... if possible.
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  • If GB wins, PC will probably sit everyone and take the loss.

    3 seed = vs. Vikings
    5 seed = @Eagles (slight chance @Cowboys)

    Road game may be easier win. To make SB either way still have to win 2 of @SF, @NO, or @GB.

    Losing and resting dinged players may be best strategy against such long odds.

    If GB loses I think we get the 2 seed with a win so gotta go for it in that case.
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  • Just for clarification, when I wrote the post, I didn't think that there was any actual chance of this happening. Particularly with Beast Mode back - they didn't bring him back to sit him.

    I still think it has merit, particularly with the Vikings loss, and our home and away record.

    And, part of my original rationale was the GB/Vikings game was 50/50, and with our injuries, I'm guessing (but not hoping) that our chances with the 49ers were like 20 or 30% - so despite the hoping, I don't think we were really ever playing for the #2 seed after the loss to the cards.

    The real question in it I guess is the same as one of the original responders to the post: WHO would we potentially get back with a week of additional rest?
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  • ddores wrote:Just for clarification, when I wrote the post, I didn't think that there was any actual chance of this happening. Particularly with Beast Mode back - they didn't bring him back to sit him.

    I still think it has merit, particularly with the Vikings loss, and our home and away record.

    And, part of my original rationale was the GB/Vikings game was 50/50, and with our injuries, I'm guessing (but not hoping) that our chances with the 49ers were like 20 or 30% - so despite the hoping, I don't think we were really ever playing for the #2 seed after the loss to the cards.

    The real question in it I guess is the same as one of the original responders to the post: WHO would we potentially get back with a week of additional rest?


    Clowney and Diggs. After GB's win against MIN, it's more possible they sit to be rested against hopefully PHI.

    I'd be surprised, though. I think if there's any way Clowney can go, they're gonna let him based on the 11/11 game.

    Even if he does, though, it's time for some Eagles-style creative playcalling. RRP/coach challenges/not going for it on 4th and 1 are just gonna guarantee us two losses that might be closer ones. What good is that.
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  • DomeHawk wrote:Another worthless OP: :pukeface:


    Like this adds any value.

    Don’t click if you’re not interested.
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  • PC should rest all dinged players and give young players some playing time for evaluation.

    I think, instead, we'll see an even worse injury situation for the wildcard game.
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  • Yup - said it a week ago and still think we should throw the game. You can win the battle and lose the war on this type of game. I know, I know "Always Compete". Right up until we get 2 or 3 more injuries because of the stress on other non-injured starters - and are done for the season.

    I truly hope I'm wrong.
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  • Can't play scared. If there is something to play for, and there is, you play to win.

    Talk about a fan letdown after all the Marshawn hype, folks would go crazy if we don't play to win.
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  • ddores wrote:Yup - said it a week ago and still think we should throw the game. You can win the battle and lose the war on this type of game. I know, I know "Always Compete". Right up until we get 2 or 3 more injuries because of the stress on other non-injured starters - and are done for the season.

    I truly hope I'm wrong.


    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=160701

    Speculated about this even earlier and was told how stupid I was. Strategically it is IMHO simple. Treat this like a bye week, rest injured and key players. Play Dallas / Eagles on the road vs Vikings at home. Very simple

    However strategic thinking isn't liked here if it means losing. There is also the fact that these things can work out strange ways. Remember Indy resting against the Jets a bunch of years ago? Then losing to Jets in the playoffs....ooops
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  • Play to win only because it leaves you a chance for 2 home games maybe and even if you don't win it's not all that bad.
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  • It isn't strategic to surrender a shot at a home playoff game.

    And no, Seattle's record this year doesn't invalidate the sweeping overall statistical advantage of a home game. They drew a #1 and #2 seed at home this year, then a division rival that always plays us well. Home games matter.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:It isn't strategic to surrender a shot at a home playoff game.

    And no, Seattle's record this year doesn't invalidate the sweeping overall statistical advantage of a home game. They drew a #1 and #2 seed at home this year, then a division rival that always plays us well. Home games matter.


    What is Seattle's home vs away record this season?....

    The travel mileage for the second game is what matters the most. Getting to a second game should be first priority
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  • The idea that we would want to throw a game is ridiculous.
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  • John63 wrote:The idea that we would want to throw a game is ridiculous.

    For once I agree with John..The.Idea is totally wack.
    You take the highest seed you can period.
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  • The guys that want us to throw this game away are also the ones happy with a Participation trophy.
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  • chris98251 wrote:The guys that want us to throw this game away are also the ones happy with a Participation trophy.


    This is the opposite of correct

    We believe we have a bigger chance to go further if we rest players tonight

    Moot point now
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