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  • Not seen one mention of the fact that Carson dumped another one on the ground but luckily since his OL recovered it and we won it's not even remembered. I love his running but sometimes i'm not sure if it's worth it if he's going to be fumbling this often but he's so much better at running than any other option so he kind of is worth it.

    Also Penny fumbled it once on two carries and he's just not a good RB, he's just not. From game #1 in his career I was pretty surprised he was a first rounder. He's slow with no other redeeming qualities. I make this topic because with 2 weeks off i'd like to see ball security being worked on in practice. I hope they are.
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  • What's funny is that you can clearly see that Penny has the talent to be a great runner - but I think he's still not gotten over the fact that he got pwned by a 6th rounder in camp - and can't take the job from him. I think his issues are mental at this point. But if Carson gets hurt I'm glad we have Penny back there.
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  • He's now known. People are going to be all over him because they know there might be pay dirt, this is a very pivotal time for Carson. He's wearing a target.

    He knows what to do, he needs to get used to holding the football differently WHEN IT MATTERS. This will come down to him really owning it and changing something his body tries to do a different way in under a second with big nasties chasing him. I think he's going to fix it, if he doesn't it won't be an attitude problem.

    On at least one of the fumbles it was just a brilliantly executed strip, don't remember which one, but had to tip the cap on that one.

    I know this is probably something I took for granted with Marshawn (my favorite player ever, 1a, 1b with Russ)

    For all the fight Lynch brought on every snap, for every damn inch, he somehow held on to the football, and if you watch him, it's clearly something he got used to THINKING about, always on the back burner, WHILE he was doing his thing. Cool to watch.
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  • I will add, the ones that are bothering me are when he's in the open, holding the football like a european hand bag. He should stop doing that now.
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  • calinator wrote:Not seen one mention of the fact that Carson dumped another one on the ground but luckily since his OL recovered it and we won it's not even remembered. I love his running but sometimes i'm not sure if it's worth it if he's going to be fumbling this often but he's so much better at running than any other option so he kind of is worth it.

    Also Penny fumbled it once on two carries and he's just not a good RB, he's just not. From game #1 in his career I was pretty surprised he was a first rounder. He's slow with no other redeeming qualities. I make this topic because with 2 weeks off i'd like to see ball security being worked on in practice. I hope they are.


    Every Thursday is Turnover Thursday where the offense focuses on ball security and the defense focuses on stripping the ball. It's a major emphasis of Pete's program. "It's all about the ball."

    And I haven't lost complete hope in Penny. I just see him as a Mo Morris type rather than a Shaun Alexander type.
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  • calinator wrote:Not seen one mention of the fact that Carson dumped another one on the ground but luckily since his OL recovered it and we won it's not even remembered. I love his running but sometimes i'm not sure if it's worth it if he's going to be fumbling this often but he's so much better at running than any other option so he kind of is worth it.

    Also Penny fumbled it once on two carries and he's just not a good RB, he's just not. From game #1 in his career I was pretty surprised he was a first rounder. He's slow with no other redeeming qualities. I make this topic because with 2 weeks off i'd like to see ball security being worked on in practice. I hope they are.


    I don't recall the exact thread(s) but I've read multiple posts about our fumbling issues and how they are still a problem since our win last week.

    I don't know about anyone else, but every time we run the ball, I find myself just hoping they hold onto the ball.
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  • Pete talked about this with Danny and Gallant Monday.

    He and everyone else knows the fumbling has to stop, but like Pete said it's a hard thing to stop because as soon as something like fumbling is on film EVERY team goes after the ball on every play.

    Carson, Penny, and now DK have to know this and prioritize ball security over fighting for extra yards. Which is much harder said then done, it's not in any player's nature.

    But IMO that's the only way you turn something like around.
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  • After the Penny fumble, it looks as if the Hawks have zero confidence in Penny.
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  • penny just needs carries. you give that guy the share of the load he would easily be 1000yd + back and very likely top 5 in the league.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:After the Penny fumble, it looks as if the Hawks have zero confidence in Penny.


    On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say Pete's confidence and trust in Penny is somewhere around a 2 or 3.

    But we need Penny, Carson's been awesome but can't keep expecting him to carry the ball as much as he does and still remain effective into the playoffs, or else you're risking what we saw in the Dallas playoff game, a diminished dinged up Carson.

    So Pete's gotta keep giving Penny carries and opportunities.
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  • Lets not forget Russ ALMOST lost the ball on his scramble..and lost it on the strip/sack/Ifedi/TD. Yeah...they gotta work on this..everyone has a "strip the ball" target on their backs.
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  • But he didn't.
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  • It’s not often you win a game AND lose the turnover stat line.

    We all know this needs to be fixed.

    Get R done.
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  • Absolutely, they had to overcome 4 turnovers, a rare bad pass in overtime AND the refs.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:But he didn't.

    Yeah..I get that. and you can normally trust Russ to not turn it over. But when everyone is turning into butterfingers it doesn't instill a lot of confidence. Myers FG's seem to always be close to the uprights. I find myself holding my breath every kick. I'm also finding myself saying "hold on the ball!!" way to often...not a good thing.
    Go Hawks.... :irishdrinkers:
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  • Exactly, I never worry about Russ, but those RB's...….wow. You catch yourself screaming at the TV "Hold on to the damn ball!"
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  • That issue will most certainly be huge . Opponents are waiting and watching . most turnovers are non retrievable .
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  • Penny fumbles once (it's the only fumble in his NFL career) and everyone is piling on him. Carson's fumbled 6 times this year already (Carson has 9 fumbles in his career). Penny can do no right and Carson can't seem to do no wrong. Both are Seahawks. I'm cheering for both to succeed and hopefully fumble less in the process.
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  • hawkfan68 wrote:Penny fumbles once (it's the only fumble in his NFL career) and everyone is piling on him. Carson's fumbled 6 times this year already (Carson has 9 fumbles in his career). Penny can do no right and Carson can't seem to do no wrong. Both are Seahawks. I'm cheering for both to succeed and hopefully fumble less in the process.

    :2thumbs: Agree..
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  • ? Penny fumbled at least TWICE this year when they decided to go to a change up. Both of them need to take care of the ball a lot more. Carson is a beast, we all know that. But clearly, fumbling is an issue. Fingers crossed he gets back to protecting it a lot better.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:? Penny fumbled at least TWICE this year when they decided to go to a change up. Both of them need to take care of the ball a lot more. Carson is a beast, we all know that. But clearly, fumbling is an issue. Fingers crossed he gets back to protecting it a lot better.


    He's only got one career fumble though as stated above?
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  • All 3 RBs that have gotten touches this season have coughed it up. Given Petes emphasis on the ball and it plaguing that entire group I believe it comes back to being a coaching issue. Granted theyre paid profesionals but its systemic.

    Im still not sure why Procise is on the roster and they wouldnt take a 3rd for Penny.
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  • I seem to remember him fumbling twice, but fair enough. Might be mixing it up with the CJ fumble.
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  • Subzero717 wrote:All 3 RBs that have gotten touches this season have coughed it up. Given Petes emphasis on the ball and it plaguing that entire group I believe it comes back to being a coaching issue. Granted theyre paid profesionals but its systemic.

    Im still not sure why Procise is on the roster and they wouldnt take a 3rd for Penny.


    Either am I. If Procise is the insurance policy, Penny should be getting more snaps.

    I think we should be giving Penny more even with our plate as it is.
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  • SNDavidson wrote:He's now known. People are going to be all over him because they know there might be pay dirt, this is a very pivotal time for Carson. He's wearing a target.

    He knows what to do, he needs to get used to holding the football differently WHEN IT MATTERS. This will come down to him really owning it and changing something his body tries to do a different way in under a second with big nasties chasing him. I think he's going to fix it, if he doesn't it won't be an attitude problem.

    On at least one of the fumbles it was just a brilliantly executed strip, don't remember which one, but had to tip the cap on that one.

    I know this is probably something I took for granted with Marshawn (my favorite player ever, 1a, 1b with Russ)

    For all the fight Lynch brought on every snap, for every damn inch, he somehow held on to the football, and if you watch him, it's clearly something he got used to THINKING about, always on the back burner, WHILE he was doing his thing. Cool to watch.


    Lynch had the tendency to fumble at the worst time possible.
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  • What's the weather for the game...warm and dry I hope :!: wet makes fumbles .
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  • Looks like 48 degrees and Rain at kickoff. Could see a lot of fumbles for both teams. Here's to hoping that changes :irishdrinkers:

    Though, this is football and it shouldn't matter.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:? Penny fumbled at least TWICE this year when they decided to go to a change up. Both of them need to take care of the ball a lot more. Carson is a beast, we all know that. But clearly, fumbling is an issue. Fingers crossed he gets back to protecting it a lot better.


    Not according to NFL.com - http://www.nfl.com/player/rashaadpenny/2560835/profile. They have him at one fumble.
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  • quadsas wrote:
    SNDavidson wrote:He's now known. People are going to be all over him because they know there might be pay dirt, this is a very pivotal time for Carson. He's wearing a target.

    He knows what to do, he needs to get used to holding the football differently WHEN IT MATTERS. This will come down to him really owning it and changing something his body tries to do a different way in under a second with big nasties chasing him. I think he's going to fix it, if he doesn't it won't be an attitude problem.

    On at least one of the fumbles it was just a brilliantly executed strip, don't remember which one, but had to tip the cap on that one.

    I know this is probably something I took for granted with Marshawn (my favorite player ever, 1a, 1b with Russ)

    For all the fight Lynch brought on every snap, for every damn inch, he somehow held on to the football, and if you watch him, it's clearly something he got used to THINKING about, always on the back burner, WHILE he was doing his thing. Cool to watch.


    Lynch had the tendency to fumble at the worst time possible.


    Hmm, not going to argue because not going to go look anything up right now, but based on biased memory lol, I seem to remember this being maybe only slightly accurate. Maybe the last two seasons he was here? Also have to look at context of the running styles, completely different. Lynch with the split leg style often had guys hanging all over him I feel for a bit longer in the play, and still refused to give up til the whistle, yet held on to the football a lot more, because of his awareness, is all I'm saying.
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  • Another weird thing, when Russell fumbled and SF scored,...well, was Ifedi trying to get the ball or did it get punched out by the defense and Ifedi just ended up with it, for a split second. Clearly ball handling is not in his wheelhouse.
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  • Well, after the facemask (that magically wasn't called) they knocked it out and Ifedi was lucky to be right there....
    Ifedi for some stupid reason tried to run instead of just going down to the ground.
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  • I like to think Ifedi had visions of taking the ball 90+ yards to the house without getting tackled in the process.
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  • AubHawk71 wrote:I like to think Ifedi had visions of taking the ball 90+ yards to the house without getting tackled in the process.



    But he was on his way to a Leon Lett impersonation going the wrong direction.
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  • AubHawk71 wrote:I like to think Ifedi had visions of taking the ball 90+ yards to the house without getting tackled in the process.


    Lol I said the same thing. Thought he was Barry Sanders.
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  • Penny's fumble percentage per carry is just about the same as Carson

    Separately I am pretty sure DK will hold on to it next time guys are trying to strip the ball from outside the field of play
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