Does Schotty get a head gig after this year?

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  • I must admit i was super down on this hire when it happen but BS has been better then i anticipated. Helps to have maybe the best QB in the league but he has this O putting up numbers.

    What do you think his chances are of getting a head gig after the season are assuming the team continues it's success.
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  • I believe that he needs 3 years with at least 2 sustained success in a program to make the next step. I could be spitballing but I think they look at a realistic record as well as what the ins and outs are of the team. Was he given cake and he only had to put icing on...or was he given roadkill and had to make a dress and build the dummy to fit all the parts successfully? Those are the questions that other teams will have to ask. I have a feeling DQ is fixing to be gone...so they may be looking. I dunno.
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  • No
    I'll adjust my opinion. He won't get a job after THIS year but with a couple additional years of showing his best while at Seattle he may/should get a gig.
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  • Whoa...6 games left...lets see ; but Wilson can make any coach look good and that's a fact . Wilson has been the saving grace on offense for quite some time ..not coaches .
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  • Teams that could be looking for new HC are Skins, Denver, Carolina, Browns, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Gaints, Tennessee and maybe Houston and Dallas.
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  • Schottenheimer's one of those coaches that is a better coordinator than a HC.

    I felt the same way about him when he was hired, but he's actually doing a fine job, in his 2 seasons with Seattle, Wilson has really stepped up his game. Plus, they're scoring more TD's in the red zone, and unlike Bevell, he knows how to use his TE's.
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  • 12AngryHawks wrote:Schottenheimer's one of those coaches that is a better coordinator than a HC.

    I felt the same way about him when he was hired, but he's actually doing a fine job, in his 2 seasons with Seattle, Wilson has really stepped up his game. Plus, they're scoring more TD's in the red zone, and unlike Bevell, he knows how to use his TE's.


    and he has been a middling Corrdinator his whole career.
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  • I’d say it depends on how many spots are available.

    He stands a chance but probably not if only 2-3 positions needs filled.
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  • Smellyman wrote:
    12AngryHawks wrote:Schottenheimer's one of those coaches that is a better coordinator than a HC.

    I felt the same way about him when he was hired, but he's actually doing a fine job, in his 2 seasons with Seattle, Wilson has really stepped up his game. Plus, they're scoring more TD's in the red zone, and unlike Bevell, he knows how to use his TE's.


    and he has been a middling Corrdinator his whole career.


    until the last 2 years he's been absolutely horrible in my opinion. I'm actually shocked that he got another shot, he was that bad.
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  • getnasty wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    12AngryHawks wrote:Schottenheimer's one of those coaches that is a better coordinator than a HC.

    I felt the same way about him when he was hired, but he's actually doing a fine job, in his 2 seasons with Seattle, Wilson has really stepped up his game. Plus, they're scoring more TD's in the red zone, and unlike Bevell, he knows how to use his TE's.


    and he has been a middling Corrdinator his whole career.


    until the last 2 years he's been absolutely horrible in my opinion. I'm actually shocked that he got another shot, he was that bad.


    and walked into a generational QB in his prime
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  • I would say he needs to have a couple more years of success.

    Then again, I expect the Browns to be desperate as nobody in their right mind would take their job, but he does have a family tie to the area.
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  • getnasty wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    12AngryHawks wrote:Schottenheimer's one of those coaches that is a better coordinator than a HC.

    I felt the same way about him when he was hired, but he's actually doing a fine job, in his 2 seasons with Seattle, Wilson has really stepped up his game. Plus, they're scoring more TD's in the red zone, and unlike Bevell, he knows how to use his TE's.


    and he has been a middling Corrdinator his whole career.


    until the last 2 years he's been absolutely horrible in my opinion. I'm actually shocked that he got another shot, he was that bad.


    He was stuck with some pretty awful QBs though. You can’t make filet mignon with mutton.

    I think he’s done more in two years to evolve Wilson’s game than Bevell ever tried to do. That alone makes him a good OC. He is not evolutionary in his passing game but he does generally call a solid game and does well in the red zone.

    That being said I think he caps out at OC. Not sure he’s got the charisma to lead a team.
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  • The wave of OC's were just hired by a lot of teams and many are failing, what he brings is a focus on the running game and success there and QB mentorship, that can't be overlooked.

    The Seahawks will need to make playoff noise, obviously they have been pretty successful with a middling defense up till now which a savvy GM will also notice as well.

    He is from a family that is a football legacy as well, it could happen.


    I expect a new wave of hires to be defensive oriented coming, the NFL cycles that way.
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  • A team like the Chargers could go for him since they had some of their best years with Marty.
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  • chris98251 wrote:The wave of OC's were just hired by a lot of teams and many are failing, what he brings is a focus on the running game and success there and QB mentorship, that can't be overlooked.

    The Seahawks will need to make playoff noise, obviously they have been pretty successful with a middling defense up till now which a savvy GM will also notice as well.

    He is from a family that is a football legacy as well, it could happen.


    I expect a new wave of hires to be defensive oriented coming, the NFL cycles that way.

    Tbh Marty(his dad) with the player's he had just did not get it done..
    Should have but never did.
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  • Take away Wilson and how good is he really?
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  • seabowl wrote:Take away Wilson and how good is he really?



    Take away Rivers and how good is that team, take away Elway and how good is that team, take away Marino and how good is that team, take away Rodgers and how good is that team, take away, we can go on, but Schotty with a bad QB made them better, with a good QB he has had success and a Front office that will give him the tools he needs and a Head Coach that will give him the OK to implement his system.

    It's more then just the OC.
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  • I do think Schotty has pushed Russ to become a better QB and elevate his game even higher. But really, all Schotty did was get a Ferrari and add turbo to it. With a couple of nitros and some continental tires.

    The question is, can Schotty elevate a Honda, Kia, or a Ford to be greater than what it is. I suspect the answer is no.

    Yea, any team without a great QB falters, but the great offensive coordinators and coaches elevate their QBs. I have zero doubt that Trubisky would have been trash last year and even worse this year without Matt Nagy. Schotty can work on another team but he'll need an elite talent.
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:I do think Schotty has pushed Russ to become a better QB and elevate his game even higher. But really, all Schotty did was get a Ferrari and add turbo to it. With a couple of nitros and some continental tires.

    The question is, can Schotty elevate a Honda, Kia, or a Ford to be greater than what it is. I suspect the answer is no.

    Yea, any team without a great QB falters, but the great offensive coordinators and coaches elevate their QBs. I have zero doubt that Trubisky would have been trash last year and even worse this year without Matt Nagy. Schotty can work on another team but he'll need an elite talent.



    He made Sanchez look a lot better in New York, I would say he has proven himself a QB whisperer and that offense was rated pretty good with their balance and running game.
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  • Russell's pocket awareness and willingness to step up in the pocket have improved dramatically with Schotty as his OC.Yes, Russ is amazing but he's become even more so with Brian's tutelage along with his own maturation.
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  • No...the flavor around he league right now is finding the next 25 year old whiz kid.
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  • getnasty wrote:Teams that could be looking for new HC are Skins, Denver, Carolina, Browns, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Gaints, Tennessee and maybe Houston and Dallas.


    Jets as well
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  • I believe our OL coach gets some credit for Russell’s development pocket passer as well. How much longer will Pete coach? Would Shott get an opportunity then?
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  • Hope so.
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  • pmedic920 wrote:I’d say it depends on how many spots are available.

    He stands a chance but probably not if only 2-3 positions needs filled.


    I would agree. That said there are more than 2 or 3 that will open this year.
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  • Looks like possibly Carolina, maybe Jets, Cowboys if they get pushed out, Chargers, Bengals again, Cleveland if they keep having issues, Giants, Falcons if they backslide again.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Russell's pocket awareness and willingness to step up in the pocket have improved dramatically with Schotty as his OC.Yes, Russ is amazing but he's become even more so with Brian's tutelage along with his own maturation.

    I think Wilson's "willingness to step up into the pocket" is not JUST because of Schotts, I think Solari has elevated the play of the O-Line, thus giving Wilson the confidence to "Go There" .
    Wilson has been the beneficiary of the Coaching changes two years ago, and the new Coaching have been blessed with a Quarterback of Wilson's caliber.....Symbiosis.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Russell's pocket awareness and willingness to step up in the pocket have improved dramatically with Schotty as his OC.Yes, Russ is amazing but he's become even more so with Brian's tutelage along with his own maturation.

    I think Wilson's "willingness to step up into the pocket" is not JUST because of Schotts, I think Solari has elevated the play of the O-Line, thus giving Wilson the confidence to "Go There" .
    Wilson has been the beneficiary of the Coaching changes two years ago, and the new Coaching have been blessed with a Quarterback of Wilson's caliber.....Symbiosis.


    Yup.

    Also he doesn't quite have same escapability juice he used to. He will pick and choose those moments more carefully now.

    He is in his prime and everything has been thrown at him. He's got this.
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  • Mark Sanchez was absolutely horrific. It’s debatable what was good Sanchez because of Schotty and flat out bad Sanchez

    I will say this though. Schotty does use his tight ends well, he’s come up with some great routes for Lockett, and he is an elite Red Zone caller. So much so, that when we’re in the red zone I’m confident, borderline cocky. I think his run playcalling isn’t as great as last year though. Running plays was the thing Schotty was always good at, but he’s almost become better at calling pass plays and not the usual amazing at calling runs.

    I still think they make a good pair. Also glad Solari is here
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  • No offensive coordinator or razzle-dazzle scheme has ever won the Super Bowl. If they did, Josh McDaniel would still be head coach somewhere and Sean McVay would be better than he is now. It's the players and the execution, every time. The more time goes on, the less I feel like the scheme is a factor.
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  • Not at this juncture.

    Wilson has to consistently complete tight window throws more than any other QB, and complete passes way above expectation. Schotty is a great Quarterbacks coach, and a solid OC if you have an elite guy like Wilson at the position.
    Turn on the film though, Wilson is making a lot out of nothing. NFL execs want to see ingenuity, not vanilla.

    It is a fluid situation though, where things could transpire down the road that could make NFL executives around the league take notice. But as of now it's not happening. His best shot is probably with the Seahawks, if Pete were to retire
    and the powers that be don't want to start over on offense w/Russ still in place. They would install Schotty as HC, and hire whoever, or keep the existing DC onboard. But that won't happen for at least three years, and that is an eternity in the NFL, and still a long shot. I'm just trying to come up with a scenario where it could happen for him.

    Looking around the league at potential openings:

    NFC

    Pete
    Shanny
    McVay
    Kingsbury

    LaFleur
    Zimmer
    Nagy
    Patricia - I think he gets one more season. Stafford injury is an easy scapegoat.

    Pederson
    Garrett - Will likely be fired if DAL doesn't make the playoffs. I think they make the playoffs though.
    Shurmur - Very likely to be fired.
    Interim - They already fired their coach.

    Payton
    Arians - Old, could retire, but I don't think he will.
    Rivera - New ownership, could get fired if he doesn't win enough.
    Quinn - Very likely to be fired, needs to basically win out.

    You're looking at 4 firings at most in the NFC.

    WASH - Dan Snyder will have to trade for or hire a HC, and then give him all the power. (Schotty doesn't fit.)
    CAR - They have a young QB performing well under Norv Turner. (Schotty doesn't fit.)
    ATL - Their issues lay on defense, not offense. (Schotty doesn't fit.)

    NYG - Maybe? But I think they would want to go with a bigger hire than Schotty. NYG is his best shot. He could sell to them that he could develop their young QB, and run the football with Barkley to help him get back on track.

    AFC

    Belichick - It seems like McDaniels is the heir apparent.
    Taylor - Cincy doesn't fire head coaches, especially after just one year.
    Harbaugh
    Reed
    Gruden
    Reich
    Tomlin
    McDermott
    Lynn
    O'Brien - Would get fired if they don't make the playoffs. I think they are making the playoffs though.
    Vrabel - Tennesse could be looking to clean house and start all the way over.
    Gase - The Jets said he will get one more year. But the Jets said it, so who knows.
    Fangio - He looks like a coordinator to me, not a HC, but will probably get one more year.
    Flores - The Dolphins just hired him, so he may get one more year.
    Marrone - Needs to make the playoffs, or as good as fired.
    Kitchens - As good as fired.

    CLE - All signs point to Mike McCarthy getting that job. (Schotty doesn't fit.)
    JAX - They will look to hire from the Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin tree. (Schotty doesn't fit.)
    TEN - Similar to WASH, they will be looking for a big hire, or at the very least a splash hire, as they wipe the slate clean. (Schotty doesn't fit.)

    NYJ - Maybe? He coached there in the past. If the owner really likes him, he would have a chance.

    The 2 New York teams are his best chance in the next two years. Even then I think it is a very slim chance.
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  • pmedic920 wrote:I’d say it depends on how many spots are available.

    He stands a chance but probably not if only 2-3 positions needs filled.


    Honest question: When was the last time the NFL had just 2-3 HC openings? It seems to me that there's always at least 5 and usually 6 or 7 openings each year.
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  • I think he would have a real solid shot at either NY jobs. Has a history with the Jets during their last good run. NYG would like his pedigree, QB development skills and balanced play calling.

    But in reality I think Schotty needs to put one more year of top offensive production to get a HC gig.
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  • Given how unsuccessful Bradley and Quinn have been, the league might be wary of anyone Pete Carroll coaches. It's bad enough that Cable Guy and Bevell got hired to be assistant coaches and weigh down a couple of franchises.

    Funny thing about Quinn is that he replaced a Mike Smith who had built a pretty good Falcons team that just couldn't quite get it done. He led the team to a SB before promptly melting down. They have to be wondering who exactly has what it takes to get the job done.
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  • Threedee wrote:Given how unsuccessful Bradley and Quinn have been, the league might be wary of anyone Pete Carroll coaches. It's bad enough that Cable Guy and Bevell got hired to be assistant coaches and weigh down a couple of franchises.

    Funny thing about Quinn is that he replaced a Mike Smith who had built a pretty good Falcons team that just couldn't quite get it done. He led the team to a SB before promptly melting down. They have to be wondering who exactly has what it takes to get the job done.


    Problem with the Falcons has not been Smith or Quinn. It's been injuries and player acquisitions.

    Big advantage to the Seahawks is how unified the FO is. Too many times coaches don't get much say and then have to make something out of the crap they get.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Russell's pocket awareness and willingness to step up in the pocket have improved dramatically with Schotty as his OC.Yes, Russ is amazing but he's become even more so with Brian's tutelage along with his own maturation.

    I think Wilson's "willingness to step up into the pocket" is not JUST because of Schotts, I think Solari has elevated the play of the O-Line, thus giving Wilson the confidence to "Go There" .
    Wilson has been the beneficiary of the Coaching changes two years ago, and the new Coaching have been blessed with a Quarterback of Wilson's caliber.....Symbiosis.

    Good points. Hasn't hurt having Duane Brown at LT either.
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