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McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 5:27 am

Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 6:36 am
  • Worthless lawsuit, worthless player, waste of time and effort.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 6:51 am
  • Good for the club. It's the right thing to do. Sets a precedent should the Seahawks have another "McDowell" in their future... hopefully not.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:04 am
  • jammerhawk wrote:Worthless lawsuit, worthless player, waste of time and effort.


    Why is it a waste of effort to get back what the team is owed?
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:13 am
  • It's a waste of time and effort b/c he's judgment proof.

    He'll avoid paying it back, or won't have any ability to do so.

    In principle if he had the $ of course it's the right thing to do. However, I predict an empty judgment.

    I agree that it is the right thing to do as far as setting the precedent. Now it's an on the record situation we may find out the real story about what happened. It's now clear why there has been a wall of silence around this matter, arbitration now litigation.

    The only ones who will get any return here are the lawyers.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:17 am
  • It also sends a message to players about their off season activities which they are extensively briefed on after mini camp.

    This guy decided riding in an ATV without a helmet at high speeds was ok. He made it to the NFL so he thought the well would never dry and his future was taken care of.

    He probably snorted the $799 large by now.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:21 am
  • What a disaster this whole thing was.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:25 am
  • Good for the team. MM really screwed himself and our team over. A huge mistake and he should pay for that mistake.
    This isn't about getting back the $799k. The team is worth well over a billion so $799k is chump change. It sends a message. I was not aware the team held $800k of his signing bonus and kudos to them for that decision. We lose our draft pick and the expense of replacing MM with Sheldon Richardson. Wasted draft capitol.
    Regarding a judgement, if we win and he ever gets signed by another team, we will get our $.
    As mentioned, I figure he is probably broke by now. His med bills were most likely through the roof.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 8:16 am
  • He should have the cash. According to MM, he’s rich. He said so while disparaging a first responder that he felt he could treat like crap with impunity because of his wealth.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 8:36 am
  • McDowell essentially has stolen money from the club. They have every right to file this suit and the player should go to jail if he fails to pay or have his wages garnisheed.

    Will obviously take a sky cap many years to pay this debt back but you can't take money, ignore your contract specifics and then expect to keep said money.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 8:39 am
  • With the guy’s “decision making” ability, I guarantee that money has already been spent.
    He’s either broke or close to it.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 8:57 am
  • Excellent! Squeeze that lemon for all it's worth IMO!

    Glad they are not turning a blind eye to his stupidity and just letting him run with all the cash. :pukeface:
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 9:03 am
  • LudwigsDrummer wrote:Good for the team. MM really screwed himself and our team over. A huge mistake and he should pay for that mistake.
    This isn't about getting back the $799k. The team is worth well over a billion so $799k is chump change. It sends a message. I was not aware the team held $800k of his signing bonus and kudos to them for that decision. We lose our draft pick and the expense of replacing MM with Sheldon Richardson. Wasted draft capitol.
    Regarding a judgement, if we win and he ever gets signed by another team, we will get our $.
    As mentioned, I figure he is probably broke by now. His med bills were most likely through the roof.


    We actually lose 2 draft pics!! That Richardson trade cost us a 2nd so we lose the McDowell pic, the 2nd and Richardson in the end!!!
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 9:37 am
  • This pick definitely hurt the future at that time. Garbage pick
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 11:15 am
  • The referenced article quotes both Drew Rosenhaus and Jason Garrett linking MM to Dallas. If he ever gets signed anywhere, the bonus would have to be repaid. I wouldn't have thought that he had a chance of ever playing again, but that's not what the article indicates. It also says that his personal and third party docs cleared him to play and only the Seahawks docs failed to clear him.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 11:54 am
  • Why haven't the Cowboys doctors cleared him?

    Why?? Because there's a big difference between 3rd party doctors and NFL doctors.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 12:19 pm
  • In a league hypersensitive to concussion issues a team doctor clearing a player with head injuries to play seems like a big risk for the doctor and maybe the team.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 12:24 pm
  • CTE is a real thing. Anyone here see The Concussion with Will Smith?
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 1:13 pm
  • JayhawkMike wrote:In a league hypersensitive to concussion issues a team doctor clearing a player with head injuries to play seems like a big risk for the doctor and maybe the team.


    Bingo.

    With everything we now know about CTE, and more importantly with all these new class action lawsuits with ex-players suing the league, I HIGHLY doubt McDowell is going to find a team to medically clear him.

    It doesn't matter how many personal doctors he gets to clear him, all that matters is the decision of the team doctors. Maybe McDowell and his agent/doctors can contest the decision? Idk, but the league's never going to take the word of personal doctors over their own team doctors that were vetted and are protected under the league's insurance policies.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 4:34 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:In a league hypersensitive to concussion issues a team doctor clearing a player with head injuries to play seems like a big risk for the doctor and maybe the team.


    Bingo.

    With everything we now know about CTE, and more importantly with all these new class action lawsuits with ex-players suing the league, I HIGHLY doubt McDowell is going to find a team to medically clear him.

    It doesn't matter how many personal doctors he gets to clear him, all that matters is the decision of the team doctors. Maybe McDowell and his agent/doctors can contest the decision? Idk, but the league's never going to take the word of personal doctors over their own team doctors that were vetted and are protected under the league's insurance policies.


    Indeed! McDowell is on an expressway to CTE if he ever suits up again and no team Dr. worth his salt is going to risk incurring liability when McDowell would inevitabily sue down the road claiming he shouldn't have ever been cleared. It's a no-win situation for any team so I can't see any team taking such a huge risk.

    And good for the Hawks initiating this suit. The arbitration ruling was final, never appealed and they are fully entitled to recoup payment and/or seek a lien.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 4:42 pm
  • jammerhawk wrote:It's a waste of time and effort b/c he's judgment proof.



    I'm not sure why you think he is judgement proof. He certainly has earning potential, even if it's not in the league, he'll have to earn money doing something. He likely hasn't spent all of his signing bonus yet, and if he has, he probably has assets to show for it (though likely depreciating assets). He'll have to earn a living for most of the rest of his life. That leaves him open to garnishment.

    Now, will the Seahawks get all of their money back? Not necessarily, but it's certainly not a definite no. But it is an important step to take. If players start to think they can take their signing bonus and just walk off, well, that would change things considerably.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 7:54 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:Good for the club. It's the right thing to do. Sets a precedent should the Seahawks have another "McDowell" in their future... hopefully not.


    Agreed; preventative maintenance.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 10:49 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:Good for the club. It's the right thing to do. Sets a precedent should the Seahawks have another "McDowell" in their future... hopefully not.


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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Thu May 30, 2019 10:49 pm
  • The Seahawks were awarded the money by an arbitrator back in February and he appealed it and didn't even show up for his court date, he knew he would lose is my guess.

    Hawks won by default, open and shut judgement that can not be appealed.

    It's 100% over and he lost the bonus he is just proving again what a complete tool he really is.

    GO HAWKS!!!


    jammerhawk wrote:It's a waste of time and effort b/c he's judgment proof.

    He'll avoid paying it back, or won't have any ability to do so.

    In principle if he had the $ of course it's the right thing to do. However, I predict an empty judgment.

    I agree that it is the right thing to do as far as setting the precedent. Now it's an on the record situation we may find out the real story about what happened. It's now clear why there has been a wall of silence around this matter, arbitration now litigation.

    The only ones who will get any return here are the lawyers.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Fri May 31, 2019 6:02 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:In a league hypersensitive to concussion issues a team doctor clearing a player with head injuries to play seems like a big risk for the doctor and maybe the team.


    Bingo.

    With everything we now know about CTE, and more importantly with all these new class action lawsuits with ex-players suing the league, I HIGHLY doubt McDowell is going to find a team to medically clear him.

    It doesn't matter how many personal doctors he gets to clear him, all that matters is the decision of the team doctors. Maybe McDowell and his agent/doctors can contest the decision? Idk, but the league's never going to take the word of personal doctors over their own team doctors that were vetted and are protected under the league's insurance policies.


    Not sure how you can contest medical opinion. It’s called opinion for a reason. All you can do as a judge is listen to the opinion and decide whose to trust more. I suspect judges will be more conservative about clearing a head injured patient to play a contact sport.

    You’d think though that there could be a medical waiver that states the player assumes all risks of employment including CTE. It is his life. If he wants to be depressed and demented in 20 years, shouldn’t he be allowed to. We haven’t banned tobacco and alcohol yet and they also cause numerous delayed consequences.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Fri May 31, 2019 8:43 am
  • Mad Dog wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:In a league hypersensitive to concussion issues a team doctor clearing a player with head injuries to play seems like a big risk for the doctor and maybe the team.


    Bingo.

    With everything we now know about CTE, and more importantly with all these new class action lawsuits with ex-players suing the league, I HIGHLY doubt McDowell is going to find a team to medically clear him.

    It doesn't matter how many personal doctors he gets to clear him, all that matters is the decision of the team doctors. Maybe McDowell and his agent/doctors can contest the decision? Idk, but the league's never going to take the word of personal doctors over their own team doctors that were vetted and are protected under the league's insurance policies.


    Not sure how you can contest medical opinion. It’s called opinion for a reason. All you can do as a judge is listen to the opinion and decide whose to trust more. I suspect judges will be more conservative about clearing a head injured patient to play a contact sport.

    You’d think though that there could be a medical waiver that states the player assumes all risks of employment including CTE. It is his life. If he wants to be depressed and demented in 20 years, shouldn’t he be allowed to. We haven’t banned tobacco and alcohol yet and they also cause numerous delayed consequences.


    I assume everything's contestable in the NFL, it's why Richard Sherman's positive drug test got overturned, and why Tom Brady fought cellgate all the way til the end. So why couldn't McDowell and his attorneys sue the NFL to reinstate him and take the league to court if they have to?

    As far as your 2nd point, why would the NFL ever agree to allowing injured players sign waivers to play? It's a lose lose. There is no lack of good players to keep their game popular and the league rolling in the money, so why even entertain allowing something that may or may not hold up in court down the line if a player decides to fight the waiver after a serious injury.

    No reason to do that.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:16 am
  • I stand corrected, on my worthless law suit remark. My comment was ill informed on the money part.

    Here is an article on the subject that somewhat clarifies the financial part of this story. McDowell will forever keep the cause of this secret.
    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/5/31/18 ... ning-bonus

    The article reveals there is money to be executed against and some hope the Seahawks won’t make this POS human a millionaire. Even then getting $800 K from the team for the very little he did is wrong. McDowell will likely have very little left after paying his agent, lawyers, and buying his bling. To me he brought this on himself, was not open about what happened, and has revealed his lack of character by his subsequent behaviour. At this point the team has a non-appealable judgment which has been confirmed by the Suprior Court in Michigan. McDowell owes the judgment plus costs and fees. Looks like attachment proceedings will follow.

    In the end all the negatives written about McDowell were realized. The team made an expensive mistake in drafting this player and it hurt the team. I hope he winds up with zippo after the bonus money is clawed back.worthless player, Worthless player, even more worthless human, revealed as just another pampered athlete who’s character fails to match he his athletic ability. Let’s hope that type of mistake is not made again.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:31 am
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:02 pm
  • No human is worthless seems like you're just enjoying your personal indignation a bit too much.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:59 pm
  • Hawkstorian wrote:No human is worthless seems like you're just enjoying your personal indignation a bit too much.



    I disagree.
    There are worthless humans. pedo and rapists come to mind.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:31 pm
  • Hawkstorian wrote:No human is worthless seems like you're just enjoying your personal indignation a bit too much.

    As of this point in his life,he has proved to be worthless. He is young and has plenty of time to change that, it's all up to him, but his past history make success look like a long shot...
    I pulled for him to make it for as long as I could, but he continued to bite the hand that fed him and made screw up after screw up. Perhaps some day he will reach maturity and become a man, one can only hope.
    I doubt he will ever again play football and make the big bucks, I also doubt that any degree he may have been given (Notice I didn't say earned) will provide him with any decent income, so he is going to have to make some major changes in his attitude, work habits, and his life style to attain any degree of success. Without any major changes, he has failure written all over him..
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:34 pm
  • Hawkstorian wrote:No human is worthless seems like you're just enjoying your personal indignation a bit too much.


    I’m sure his mother thinks he’s special. Unfortunately with great respect I disagree with you and that is rare. There are lots of worthless people, some are pure evil too.

    Perhaps I am exercising personal indignation but McDowell demonstrated a singular lack of character after his accident and is just another self important indulged athlete who’s character fails to match his athletic ability. To me he was worthless and a wasted pick, somehow I doubt he is heard from again. Hope he gets stripped of his bonus or his bonus or what is left of it.

    Somehow though I doubt the team gets paid back.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:12 pm
  • This assclown hasnt even played a single down with the Seahawks.
    What in the hell is he even thinking that even 1 cent of that bonus is his?
    I hope he ends up working at Mcdonlads.

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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:59 pm
  • He has to argue things the way he is, Our Doctors would not pass him, his did, Cowboys have not signed him either as of yet, something isn't right.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:10 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:He has to argue things the way he is, Our Doctors would not pass him, his did, Cowboys have not signed him either as of yet, something isn't right.

    I would love *allas to sign him. They already have a mental midget in EE, why not have another.
    Maybe they sign Johnny Manziel as well and they can have the “3 stooges”.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:36 am
  • Sucks to have to return stolen money :(
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:24 am
  • Threads like this highlight the amount of xxxxxxxxx we got around here.
    Young man got into an ATV accident and will live his life under the scope until its repaid.
    The comments in here sound like y'all are taking this personally. When the man got into an ATV accident and screwed *his* own future up.
    He is an age a high majority of us would love to be.
    He is not a lost cause at his age but pitchforks in here presuming and hoping he is.
    Shame on y'all.
    Russ would be disappointed as hell reading all this condescending $h!t.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:58 am
  • I skimmed through this and didn't see anything, he posted some comments to his twitter yesterday:

    https://twitter.com/MSU_LEEK4
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:46 pm
  • The Breh wrote:Threads like this highlight the amount of xxxxxxxxx we got around here.
    Young man got into an ATV accident and will live his life under the scope until its repaid.
    The comments in here sound like y'all are taking this personally. When the man got into an ATV accident and screwed *his* own future up.
    He is an age a high majority of us would love to be.
    He is not a lost cause at his age but pitchforks in here presuming and hoping he is.
    Shame on y'all.
    Russ would be disappointed as hell reading all this condescending $h!t.

    I believe a great many people are taking it personally, his little stunt cost a whole lot of collateral damage, way more than just losing a first round pick. People are angry and hurt because of all of this damage and do want to see him pay for his crimes, it's only natural. This wouldn't be such a big deal were he a later round draft pick, the damage wouldn't have been nearly as costly and would have been soon forgotten.
    As for his future, if he would have invested his money wisely he would be set, he would only need a mediocre job to live well, Now he has no income and (probably) no money to invest.
    As far as his future in pro football, I can't believe any team would touch him no matter how many waivers he gets. CTE is real and he has a great head start, just way too much risk... If a team were to pick him up now and he suffered a serious injury, they would never live it down.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:16 pm
  • It was a second round pick. The Seahawks got the same value out of this 2nd rounder than they did out of Andre Hines, Owen Gill and Anton Palepoi and those guys got to live their lives with normal health.

    Yeah the whole thing sucks but a few people need to stop taking it so damn personal.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:32 pm
  • I could be wrong but, I'm fairly certain it doesn't matter if he got a 2nd opinion from the world's top medical professional or Dr. Seuss for the issues he brought upon himself.

    An assumption (perhaps naive) is that somewhere in his contract, that he and his lawyer, agent...etc...agreed to allow the Seahawks to use their resources, physicians from Seattle's Childrens hospital, whoever it may be to make the determination that was made.

    He broke the agreement HE signed. Damn skippy he should pay it back.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:57 pm
  • The ATV accident was a very dumb move and also very unfortunate. Most of us did similar dumb things at that age, got away with it, and learned from it.

    The way that Malik has handled this after the fact has been terrible. Trying to hide the extent of it from the team, partying at clubs, disorderly conduct charge due to an altercation with police, and now his twitter is a complete disaster where he shifts blame onto the Seahawks for not letting him play. Calling into question the competency of the team doctor is a very poor look and has pretty much eroded whatever sympathy I have him.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:49 am
  • When will the owed bonus be added back into the salary cap? ...or has it already?
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:12 am
  • Largent80 wrote:CTE is a real thing. Anyone here see The Concussion with Will Smith?


    It was a movie, I tend to not learn about an issue from a fictionalized drama. Usually medical issues are produced in studies at University, vetted through medical journals, and proven with double blind studies.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:17 am
  • jeremiah wrote:It was a movie, I tend to not learn about an issue from a fictionalized drama. Usually medical issues are produced in studies at University, vetted through medical journals, and proven with double blind studies.

    I think we all know how medicine works thanks to Hugh Laurie's performance on House.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:47 pm
  • jeremiah wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:CTE is a real thing. Anyone here see The Concussion with Will Smith?


    It was a movie, I tend to not learn about an issue from a fictionalized drama. Usually medical issues are produced in studies at University, vetted through medical journals, and proven with double blind studies.


    Guess you didn't watch post credits and then the documentary concerning the real man. But hey it doesn't happen I guess and the NFL can poo it off all day. Malik doesn't have head trauma and we were just pissed he went ATV riding and decided to Black Ball him and ruin his career and ask for the money back.
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:17 pm
  • IF, they can get the 800,000 back, it will apply to the 2020 cap per John Clayton.

    They had a hearing about getting that money back, Malik didn't protest it, and they ruled in the Seahawks favor, as they should.

    Now that punk is trying to make it out to be something that it's not.

    His lack of integrity cost this team a 2nd round pick, plus the one we traded for Sheldon Richardson, plus a roster spot while they tried to figure out if he was going to be okay.

    Kudos to the Seahawks for keeping him on the roster as long as they did so he could get first class medical treatment. Now it's his turn to reciprocate.

    People have a right to be angry. To tell fans not to get mad about something is asinine and disingenuous. YOU should never get mad about something that effects your team if that's your attitude to how fans other than yourself act.

    Stop passing judgement on others, and stick to the topic at hand. The title does not say "do fans have a right to mad."
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:58 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:IF, they can get the 800,000 back, it will apply to the 2020 cap per John Clayton.

    They had a hearing about getting that money back, Malik didn't protest it, and they ruled in the Seahawks favor, as they should.

    Now that punk is trying to make it out to be something that it's not.

    His lack of integrity cost this team a 2nd round pick, plus the one we traded for Sheldon Richardson, plus a roster spot while they tried to figure out if he was going to be okay.

    Kudos to the Seahawks for keeping him on the roster as long as they did so he could get first class medical treatment. Now it's his turn to reciprocate.

    People have a right to be angry. To tell fans not to get mad about something is asinine and disingenuous. YOU should never get mad about something that effects your team if that's your attitude to how fans other than yourself act.

    Stop passing judgement on others, and stick to the topic at hand. The title does not say "do fans have a right to mad."

    Very well put Ivo.
    IF for some reason, another team decides to take him on, then the 800 K will come into play, and he will have the means to RETURN the money that was paid to him by the Seahawks, that he DIDN'T earn...That's only right, right?
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:36 pm
  • I’m not taking it personally. I hope he is healthy and has a good life. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t pay back what he owes, particularly since he chose not to appeal the arbitration ruling. I also have an issue with him claiming the Hawks didn’t want him considering the negative impact this had on the team above and beyond the loss of the pick used on him (Kearse trade which also included loss of additional picks, cap hit, having to pay Richardson, etc.).
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Re: McDowell Sued by the Seahawks
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:56 am
  • ivotuk wrote:IF, they can get the 800,000 back, it will apply to the 2020 cap per John Clayton.

    They had a hearing about getting that money back, Malik didn't protest it, and they ruled in the Seahawks favor, as they should.

    Now that punk is trying to make it out to be something that it's not.

    His lack of integrity cost this team a 2nd round pick, plus the one we traded for Sheldon Richardson, plus a roster spot while they tried to figure out if he was going to be okay.

    Kudos to the Seahawks for keeping him on the roster as long as they did so he could get first class medical treatment. Now it's his turn to reciprocate.

    People have a right to be angry. To tell fans not to get mad about something is asinine and disingenuous. YOU should never get mad about something that effects your team if that's your attitude to how fans other than yourself act.

    Stop passing judgement on others, and stick to the topic at hand. The title does not say "do fans have a right to mad."


    Excellent post!! :irishdrinkers: :2thumbs:

    :snack:
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