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  • How cute. He's clearly top 5, and I would expect that a hall of fame QB would actually know that.
    Good, I always get a nice laugh from lame comments like his.
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  • My only issue with Warner's list is Mahomes. If you're making a "best" or "top" anything you better not put a player on there that's only done it for one season.

    Russell's always been a fringe top 5-10 QB, and now he's creeping closer to top 5. So I have no issue with everyone ahead of him on Warner's list, EXCEPT Mahomes. I need to see you dominate and win in the playoffs. Mahomes was awful in the AFC Championship game looking like a high school QB playing against Brady and Belichick's scheme.
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  • Yea I agree. I'm interested to see how Mahomes plays this season. He was great LY, his first year. We'll see if he can keep it up once NFL D coordinators have a season vs Mahomes under their belt.
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  • I hate articles like this where the outcome is spun as a negative. Its not a snub it's one man's opinion and one I respect in all honesty.

    I saw the segment on NFL network and Warner went out of his way to show which guys were in the conversation.
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  • Warner has always seemed to fault Wilson (without directly saying it) for not being a traditional pocket passer. While he has acknowledged his spectacular escape ability and deep ball, there's always been this subliminal slight that he isn't a QB "purist" (old school pocket passer) so for that reason he won't ever put Wilson in the Top 5. It's an antiquated mindset that he needs to get over.

    Wilson is a winner and completely can change the course of a game in a heartbeat. Mahomes needs to do it for more than one year and show that he can win in the biggest games in January/February which Wilson has.

    Wilson is a Top 5 QB no matter what Warner or anyone else thinks.
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  • The amount of money in his new contract says he is a top 5 QB, if not the best it would seem. Why would Seattle pay him that much unless that is what the market dictated? Perhaps Seattle paid Wilson so much because they knew if they didn't someone else would.

    The market clearly indicates Wilson is a top 5 QB.
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  • Ohh really Kurt?? Are you part women then?? :roll: :roll:
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  • Really Kurt???? :roll: :roll:
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  • Alex Smith? Now THAT is funny.
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  • LOL, Kurtis is, and always will be....a Ram, a biased Ram who had a top notch Offensive Line, & a couple of world class Receivers to help him succeed.
    None of his picks for top 5 have had to face the adversity, and to do more, with less, than Russell Wilson has.
    And as was mentioned above, he's being paid as a Top Five Quarterback.
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  • Apparently Russell is on Kurt's chart, but the chart wasn't fully displayed on screen.
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  • Couple of years ago, Andrew Siciliano made the argument for Russell Wilson as MVP, and Kurt Warner said he was definitely in the argument.

    Is Russell Wilson an MVP Front Runner? Kurt Warner on NFLN

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/seattle-seaha ... ilson-MVP#
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  • The good news for this debate on Russell's;

    - eliteness
    - greatness
    - top 5 or not

    Is that this is the year he got paid, and thus will have to continue to get better and hopefully put a nail in the coffin for these types of discussions as to whether he's a top 5 or elite QB.

    If another five years go by and guys like Warner still aren't convinced? That's probably not a good thing for how those five years went for Russell and our offense.
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  • So based on the screenshots shown above and the conversations he has had in studio, it sounds like Warner very much respects Russ as a QB......

    Probably views him as one of the top QB's in the NFL.....

    So whats the problem again? Why are some of us up in arms?

    As we have said here numerous times...one can make a case for Russ anywhere really in the top 5-7 QB's.

    Unless some joker ranks him like 15th or below, I'm not going to get too worked up about it. Russ has his faults and its ok if some analysts use those faults to drop him to (gasp!!) 6th. Who cares? Hes not perfect, and we dont need him to be.
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  • Brady- He's the only one I'm convinced is a lock at #1.
    Rodgers- Durability is an issue but he can carry a team with poor defense and poor running game.. both of which the Packers have had for quite a while.
    Mahomes- Best QB statistically but how good would he be in a different system? I guess it doesn't really matter.. the arm talent is there, and he seems to have a firm grasp of the system.
    Luck- Good mind, and with his arm back, there's few players I'd rather have leading my team.
    Brees- Benefited from a strong system for years but he's so smart and accurate. Average arm strength.
    Wilson- Incredible arm strength, usually accurate. Good mind. Was at his best when he was faster than almost everyone else. I'd like to see him use that weapon more as long as father time will allow it rather than bulk up to "take hits".
    Roethisberger- Great system, good arm... No way he's better than the guys above IMO.
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  • I actually respect Warner and enjoy his commentary and analysis. I disagree with him, but it’s not like the five guys he puts above Wilson are bums. While some may argue that he is not top five league wide, he is absolutely top 2 for this particular offense. I can’t think of one QB that would have been able to deal with some of the offensive scheme issues that Wilson has had to deal with the past few years.

    I agree that clearly Kurt Warner has never disrespected Wilson, it’s just his opinion. I am confident he will have Wilson back in his top 5 next year. In my opinion., he’s not even in the top 1 of “Kurt” Warners that have played in this league ;)
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  • To me if the offense utilizes his ability to run the ball, on purpose not for his life, he is a top 5 qb. If they don’t he is top 10ish.

    I need to see how many designed runs we had for him last year vs the year before. My memory is they went down a lot and they were usually too late in the game meaning they didn’t have him run once or twice early to keep the defense honest but waited until too late in the game to have a longer effect.
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:To me if the offense utilizes his ability to run the ball, on purpose not for his life, he is a top 5 qb. If they don’t he is top 10ish.

    I need to see how many designed runs we had for him last year vs the year before. My memory is they went down a lot and they were usually too late in the game meaning they didn’t have him run once or twice early to keep the defense honest but waited until too late in the game to have a longer effect.


    It's not so much designed runs specifically for Russell to run, it's RPO and read options that you're talking about........and Schotty and Russell called quite a few last year.

    The problem I'm seeing is Russell rarely keeps the ball on options until he HAS to late in games to pick up a 1st. That's really the difference between now and what we used to see with Russell running more. He kept it more.

    Whether that's coached, or he's doing it because he's slowed down a little and/or doesn't want to get hit? Idk, that's a question only he, Pete and Schotty can answer.

    But I know what I'd like to see, I'd like to see him keep it more. Too many times I saw clear running lanes for him to pick up good yards, and he still handed it off. So defenses are now obviously keying on him not keeping it.
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  • His two worst years that he referenced he had the league's worst O-line. That's all you really need to know about that.

    There's going to become a time when all of Russell's skills are implemented and he has an adequate O-line to protect him. Will that be this year? I am hoping.
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  • For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?

    That requires a lot of knowledge, not just of QB "talent" in general, but leadership, unique traits, and intangibles ("clutch" factor, etc). Then you need to know the team: the coaches, game-plan tendencies/philosophy, location (dome/outdoors), ethos and history, and surrounding player-cast. It all matters.

    I cannot think of one QB I'd rather have than Russ. That means he's the best QB for the current Seahawk team. That doesn't mean other QBs won't have better stats in places, but I love the fact that we don't have a QB controversy because the position is phenomenally manned already.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:My only issue with Warner's list is Mahomes. If you're making a "best" or "top" anything you better not put a player on there that's only done it for one season.

    Russell's always been a fringe top 5-10 QB, and now he's creeping closer to top 5. So I have no issue with everyone ahead of him on Warner's list, EXCEPT Mahomes. I need to see you dominate and win in the playoffs. Mahomes was awful in the AFC Championship game looking like a high school QB playing against Brady and Belichick's scheme.

    I agree..Replace Mahomes with Rivers and we are good.
    Warner is a HOF QB I think he has it right for the most part.
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  • Ad Hawk wrote:For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?.


    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.
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  • Wilson’s been a Top 5 QB for the past 3-4 years. He’s in the Top 3 debate now.

    What QB get so much out of so little support on offense, both with coaching and personnel, more so than Wilson?

    I’ll wait because there isn’t one.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?.


    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.


    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do
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  • Whens the last time a Andy Reid QB had real success outside his system...……..
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  • Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?.


    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.


    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do



    Mahomes is special.

    This isnt a commentary on Russ at all (he may very easily put up similar numbers in that system, etc) but lets not knock Mahomes or try to put an asterisk next to his year.

    The guy is electric and I would take him in a heartbeat.
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  • What's amazing to me, is that anyone gives an F-word about anything Kurt Warner says? :34853_doh:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:What's amazing to me, is that anyone gives an F-word about anything Kurt Warner says? :34853_doh:


    Only with his wife's approval, she must like Mahomes butt in Uniform.

    I would be scared to disagree as well.

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  • Mahomes is special

    So is Russell Wilson...

    No ones saying put an asterisk. But damn use a little objectivity. Who the hell would take Schotty and Seattles weapons last year over Andy Reid and KCs weapons?

    The answer is literally no one. Not a single person.
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  • Well, she was awesome in Mad Max so...…..
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  • Dang, he's so jealous it's pathetic.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:What's amazing to me, is that anyone gives an F-word about anything Kurt Warner says? :34853_doh:


    Only with his wife's approval, she must like Mahomes butt in Uniform.

    I would be scared to disagree as well.

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    Is that Mad Max's wife or Kurt Warners? :shock:
    Bummer Kurt. :lol:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Well, she was awesome in Mad Max so...…..


    LMAO!! I didn't even see that before my post. Too funny!!! :irishdrinkers: :lol: :lol:
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  • Seymour wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:What's amazing to me, is that anyone gives an F-word about anything Kurt Warner says? :34853_doh:


    Only with his wife's approval, she must like Mahomes butt in Uniform.

    I would be scared to disagree as well.

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    Is that Mad Max's wife or Kurt Warners? :shock:
    Bummer Kurt. :lol:


    Ouch. Hopefully he has enough testosterone to overcome the masculinity of his wife, that is if she is female.
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  • Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?.


    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.


    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do


    I do think Russell would do well in Reid's offense. You said which QB would you immediately trade for, and I said a LOT of people would say Mahomes for his talent, but more importantly you theoretically get him for seven more years due to the age difference, and two more in his rookie contract.

    So there you go, you asked and I told you. Mahomes, that's who.
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  • I think this thread is getting classless. Be better. A guy doesnt think a QB is top 5 and you insult how his wife looks.

    Im sure you all are 10s with low body fat and muscle. Be better seattle.
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  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:I think this thread is getting classless. Be better. A guy doesnt think a QB is top 5 and you insult how his wife looks.

    Im sure you all are 10s with low body fat and muscle. Be better seattle.


    How is that an insult? Mad Max was a very popular movie! Besides, if someone wants to take on some funny look, then IMO they invite other opinions and that is all they are.
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  • I don't give a rip what Kurt Warner thinks OP.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:For me, this subject is simple: Which of the current QBs would you immediately replace Wilson with, a straight-across trade, if any QB was fair game?.


    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.


    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do


    I do think Russell would do well in Reid's offense. You said which QB would you immediately trade for, and I said a LOT of people would say Mahomes for his talent, but more importantly you theoretically get him for seven more years due to the age difference, and two more in his rookie contract.

    So there you go, you asked and I told you. Mahomes, that's who.


    I never asked that question. But no I wouldn’t trade a QB who has been elite for 5 years playing with **** around him over a guy who did it one year essentially surround by a Pro Bowl offense.

    It’s funny. First it was RG3. Then Luck. Then Wentz. Then Watson. Now we’re on Mahomes.

    Wilson just keeps outlasting the new flavors of the month.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:What's amazing to me, is that anyone gives an F-word about anything Kurt Warner says? :34853_doh:

    This guy gets it! :2thumbs:
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  • Smith may have had a good season, but he's not even in the same category of Russ or those other guys.
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  • Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    I think a LOT of fans, including a lot of Hawk fans would trade Russell for Mahomes...........if for no other reason than we get Mahomes for seven extra years and rookie contract for two more years.

    Compare tangibles all you want, you can't discount seven more years and cheap.


    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do


    I do think Russell would do well in Reid's offense. You said which QB would you immediately trade for, and I said a LOT of people would say Mahomes for his talent, but more importantly you theoretically get him for seven more years due to the age difference, and two more in his rookie contract.

    So there you go, you asked and I told you. Mahomes, that's who.


    I never asked that question. But no I wouldn’t trade a QB who has been elite for 5 years playing with **** around him over a guy who did it one year essentially surround by a Pro Bowl offense.

    It’s funny. First it was RG3. Then Luck. Then Wentz. Then Watson. Now we’re on Mahomes.

    Wilson just keeps outlasting the new flavors of the month.


    My bad, I see now that it was Ad Hawk.

    I love Russ, but I'd be tempted to swap him for Mahomes......especially on this new up and coming youth movement we got going on.
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  • Warner clearly has CTE.

    Warner had Roethlisberger over Wilson.

    That's proof right there! Lol.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    You don’t think Wilson would put up video game numbers playing in an Andy Reid system, with a top 10 OL, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, and Tyreke Hil?

    I sure as Hell do


    I do think Russell would do well in Reid's offense. You said which QB would you immediately trade for, and I said a LOT of people would say Mahomes for his talent, but more importantly you theoretically get him for seven more years due to the age difference, and two more in his rookie contract.

    So there you go, you asked and I told you. Mahomes, that's who.


    I never asked that question. But no I wouldn’t trade a QB who has been elite for 5 years playing with **** around him over a guy who did it one year essentially surround by a Pro Bowl offense.

    It’s funny. First it was RG3. Then Luck. Then Wentz. Then Watson. Now we’re on Mahomes.

    Wilson just keeps outlasting the new flavors of the month.


    My bad, I see now that it was Ad Hawk.

    I love Russ, but I'd be tempted to swap him for Mahomes......especially on this new up and coming youth movement we got going on.


    Wilson Id say at the minimum still has 10 elite years ahead of him.
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  • Kurt was a Ram and Cardinal, of course he isn't giving a Seahawk.his due.
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  • [/quote]

    I never asked that question. But no I wouldn’t trade a QB who has been elite for 5 years playing with **** around him over a guy who did it one year essentially surround by a Pro Bowl offense.

    It’s funny. First it was RG3. Then Luck. Then Wentz. Then Watson. Now we’re on Mahomes.

    Wilson just keeps outlasting the new flavors of the month.[/quote]



    This. Mahomes had a great year and looked like he could be good in the future. But ONE year does not make an elite QB. We HAVE an elite QB. Give Mahomes another 2-3 years and see how things shake out. Then maybe all the talk will be justified. It seems every year there is a new flavor. Some last most don't. We have one who has proven it.
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  • Warner doesn't belong in the HoF. He was voted in based on sympathy votes.

    Who gives a rat's ass what he thinks.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:Warner doesn't belong in the HoF. He was voted in based on sympathy votes.

    Who gives a rat's ass what he thinks.


    Bingo...A hawk doesn't concern himself with the opinion of a sheep.
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  • I am still amazed HE is in the HOF?
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