PC and/or JC in ROH?

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PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 1:58 pm
  • With the talk of Doug and Kam being released, and as fan-favorites (for really good reasons!) being discussed for the Ring of Honor, it got me wondering what the temperature on this board is toward Pete or John being inducted.

    What are the chances? Good? Poor? I could have set up a poll, but I'd rather just hear opinions on it, if you're all willing.

    As the first HC/JM team to get us a SB win and get us into two of them, as well as the relative continued success, I'd be in favor strongly. Any dissenters?
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 2:00 pm
  • There is a 100% chance that both PC and JS make it in the ring of honor.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 2:14 pm
  • knownone wrote:There is a 100% chance that both PC and JS make it in the ring of honor.


    What gives you reason to think JS will certainly be?

    I'm in favor of it, but the ROH is a really small group in the history of the team.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 2:30 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    knownone wrote:There is a 100% chance that both PC and JS make it in the ring of honor.


    What gives you reason to think JS will certainly be?

    I'm in favor of it, but the ROH is a really small group in the history of the team.


    As you stated in your last paragraph, so are the number of Super Bowl winning HC/GM combos.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 3:28 pm
  • I'd like to see the following in the ROH when it's all said and done.

    - Marshawn Lynch
    - Doug Baldwin
    - Kam Chancellor
    - Richard Sherman
    - Earl Thomas
    - Bobby Wagner
    - Russell Wilson
    - Pete Carroll
    - John Schneider

    I could probably listen to arguments for Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and KJ Wright too.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 3:38 pm
  • Imo shoe-ins are Pete, JS, Kam, Earl, Sherm, Russ, Marshawn, and Bobby

    Outside chance Baldwin
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 3:43 pm
  • If bringing the franchise their first Lombardi doesn't reserve their spot in the ROH, what will?!?!
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 5:52 pm
  • 12AngryHawks wrote:If bringing the franchise their first Lombardi doesn't reserve their spot in the ROH, what will?!?!


    Do we know exactly what the criteria are for inclusion into this club? I'm not saying you're wrong, as I agreed with you above. I just don't know how it's evaluated.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 6:23 pm
  • Thus far, Chuck Knox is the only Hawks coach who's been put into the RoH. In his nine years coaching Seattle, he had a .559 winning percentage in the regular season and .429 in the post-season. He took over in the team's eighth year of existence and turned the Hawks into a legit franchise.

    Holmgren was .541 and .400 respectively in his decade as head coach and took the team to its first Super Bowl. He is not in the RoH but deserves consideration.

    In nine years, Pete's at .622 and .600, has won a Super Bowl and taken the team to another. The team has been in the playoffs every year except two (one of which was the first year he was in Seattle). He had the top-rated defense for four years in a row (with two different D coordinators). He should be a shoe-in for the RoH. Edit to add: If you look at winning percentage all-time for NFL coaches who've been head coaches for 6+ years, Pete is in the top 50--and that includes his four years with NY/NE.

    John Schneider has worked hand-in-hand with Pete to build the team since 2010 and was the one who insisted Seattle draft Russell Wilson. If any GM deserves consideration, it should be John.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 9:23 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:Thus far, Chuck Knox is the only Hawks coach who's been put into the RoH. In his nine years coaching Seattle, he had a .559 winning percentage in the regular season and .429 in the post-season. He took over in the team's eighth year of existence and turned the Hawks into a legit franchise.

    Holmgren was .541 and .400 respectively in his decade as head coach and took the team to its first Super Bowl. He is not in the RoH but deserves consideration.

    In nine years, Pete's at .622 and .600, has won a Super Bowl and taken the team to another. The team has been in the playoffs every year except two (one of which was the first year he was in Seattle). He had the top-rated defense for four years in a row (with two different D coordinators). He should be a shoe-in for the RoH. Edit to add: If you look at winning percentage all-time for NFL coaches who've been head coaches for 6+ years, Pete is in the top 50--and that includes his four years with NY/NE.

    John Schneider has worked hand-in-hand with Pete to build the team since 2010 and was the one who insisted Seattle draft Russell Wilson. If any GM deserves consideration, it should be John.


    This makes a strong case for both. Thanks, sis.

    I wonder how many of their players will join them, some as listed above, no doubt. I'm hoping to see Wagner and Wilson on that list some day. Others? I'm not sure.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 9:39 pm
  • Just to save folks a google search.

    The current members of the Ring of Honor are:

    No. Name Position Tenure Induction
    22 Dave Brown CB 1976–1986 1992
    45 Kenny Easley S 1981–1987 2002
    79 Jacob Green DE 1980–1991 1995
    — Pete Gross Radio announcer 1976–1992 1992
    71 Walter Jones OT 1997–2009 2014
    96 Cortez Kennedy DT 1990-2000 2006
    — Chuck Knox Head coach 1983–1991 2005
    17 Dave Krieg QB 1980–1991 2004 [
    80 Steve Largent WR 1976–1989 1989
    28 Curt Warner RB 1983–1989 1994
    10 Jim Zorn QB 1976–1984 1991

    I’d personally love to see Hass in there, but I would understand if he never gets in. One of favorite Seahawks without question, but a lot of that had to do with his personality.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 09, 2019 10:24 pm
  • BOTH

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 12:53 am
  • Steve Raible would be another great addition, then.

    Holy Catfish!
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 1:31 am
  • Ad Hawk wrote:Steve Raible would be another great addition, then.

    Holy Catfish!

    Steve definitely gets my vote!

    On topic however, I think both PC & JS get in and deservingly so.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 9:08 am
  • Many will likely disagree but I have reservations about Marshawn being inducted into the Ring of Honor. For my liking, he was too much of a contrarian to honor that way. I want people up there that I have fond memories of, not just for their play on the field but for their character as well and how they represent the team and the city. Marshawn was more about "me" and his love for the city of Oakland.

    Pete will definitely be up there and not too long after he retires, and it's hard to argue that John should not be up there as well but it may take some time before that happens. He's still quite young.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 1:02 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:Many will likely disagree but I have reservations about Marshawn being inducted into the Ring of Honor. For my liking, he was too much of a contrarian to honor that way. I want people up there that I have fond memories of, not just for their play on the field but for their character as well and how they represent the team and the city. Marshawn was more about "me" and his love for the city of Oakland.

    Pete will definitely be up there and not too long after he retires, and it's hard to argue that John should not be up there as well but it may take some time before that happens. He's still quite young.


    Another headline reader making it gospel, Lynch helped this team more then on the field, he helped set up post retirement investments, had no problem mentoring others. He even returned a Wallet he found on the street personally to it's owner in SEATTLE. He had issues with the Media for good cause and the NFL League offices, never with the team unless it was Bevell whom many did.

    Lynch belongs there as much as Doug and maybe more so.

    The team loved him as a player and team mate, as did the staff, He played thru a bunch of nagging injuries as well as a sports hernia injury also.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 2:02 pm
  • rjdriver wrote:Just to save folks a google search.

    The current members of the Ring of Honor are:

    No. Name Position Tenure Induction
    22 Dave Brown CB 1976–1986 1992
    45 Kenny Easley S 1981–1987 2002
    79 Jacob Green DE 1980–1991 1995
    — Pete Gross Radio announcer 1976–1992 1992
    71 Walter Jones OT 1997–2009 2014
    96 Cortez Kennedy DT 1990-2000 2006
    — Chuck Knox Head coach 1983–1991 2005
    17 Dave Krieg QB 1980–1991 2004 [
    80 Steve Largent WR 1976–1989 1989
    28 Curt Warner RB 1983–1989 1994
    10 Jim Zorn QB 1976–1984 1991 :34853_doh:
    I’d personally love to see Hass in there, but I would understand if he never gets in. One of favorite Seahawks without question, but a lot of that had to do with his personality.

    Hass for sure ..Since Zorn :pukeface: is in..
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 2:19 pm
  • Since we're discussing the RoH, I'll go on my yearly rant. The Seahawks have had one league MVP in the franchise's history. The fact that Shaun Alexander is not in the RoH is embarrassing. The mans stats are at a hall of fame level. Yeah, he played behind an all-time great line, but so did a lot of other great backs.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 4:04 pm
  • I have never agreed with the practice of retiring football numbers not to be worn again. The Raiders, Falcons & Cowboys don't do it and the Redskins & Steelers only on rare occasions. Just my two cents.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 6:39 pm
  • Seahawker76 wrote:I have never agreed with the practice of retiring football numbers not to be worn again. The Raiders, Falcons & Cowboys don't do it and the Redskins & Steelers only on rare occasions. Just my two cents.


    I agree with retiring numbers, unless it's so far out of sight that only one or two get retired (Largent, Jones, maybe).

    But ROH doesn't require retired number, does it? Or are you not linking the two. . . ?
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 8:24 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:The team has been in the playoffs every year except two (one of which was the first year he was in Seattle).


    We made the playoffs in Pete's first year. That was the year of the Beastquake.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 9:42 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    Seahawker76 wrote:I have never agreed with the practice of retiring football numbers not to be worn again. The Raiders, Falcons & Cowboys don't do it and the Redskins & Steelers only on rare occasions. Just my two cents.


    I agree with retiring numbers, unless it's so far out of sight that only one or two get retired (Largent, Jones, maybe).

    But ROH doesn't require retired number, does it? Or are you not linking the two. . . ?


    Only HoFers that spent their entire career in Seattle get jersey retirement, and so far, they've held to that, outside of 12.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Fri May 10, 2019 10:26 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:
    sc85sis wrote:The team has been in the playoffs every year except two (one of which was the first year he was in Seattle).


    We made the playoffs in Pete's first year. That was the year of the Beastquake.

    Yes, you’re correct. Year two we didn’t—the year of the lockout.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Sat May 11, 2019 9:10 am
  • Seahawker76 wrote:I have never agreed with the practice of retiring football numbers not to be worn again. The Raiders, Falcons & Cowboys don't do it and the Redskins & Steelers only on rare occasions. Just my two cents.

    I think we should retire every Hawks HOF # ..ROH?Hell no..
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Sun May 12, 2019 5:18 pm
  • I have no idea why the subject got twisted from ROH to retiring players numbers?
    Getting back to ROH members......IMO Hasselbeck ought to be inducted as soon as he is eligible. .
    The timing is not right for PC or JC to be inducted...….perhaps, someday.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Sun May 12, 2019 8:59 pm
  • PC and RW are locks in the ROH.

    Wagner if he gives us a couple more solid seasons, and for sure if he retires a hawk after that.

    JS... maybe. If we get back to the SB on his watch, with out a doubt.


    They probably retire RW's number if we get another SB.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Sun May 12, 2019 9:10 pm
  • Next Name up, Paul Allen
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Mon May 13, 2019 4:45 pm
  • Gormanimal wrote:Next Name up, Paul Allen


    Man, I can't believe I left that off my list. Agreed, PA should be the next one up.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Tue May 14, 2019 6:47 am
  • Still not sure why more of the Holmgren era Hawks are not in the ROH. Holmgren, Hass and Alexander had better careers than Knox, Krieg or Warner.

    Paul Allen needs to be in the ROH ASAP. From the Carroll era, Wilson, Carroll, Wagner are the biggest locks. On the bubble, Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Lynch and Baldwin.

    Is the ROH large enough?

    I think its sad we've not added an ROH Hawk since Jones. So many worthy candidates.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Tue May 14, 2019 3:50 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Still not sure why more of the Holmgren era Hawks are not in the ROH. Holmgren, Hass and Alexander had better careers than Knox, Krieg or Warner.

    Paul Allen needs to be in the ROH ASAP. From the Carroll era, Wilson, Carroll, Wagner are the biggest locks. On the bubble, Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Lynch and Baldwin.

    Is the ROH large enough?

    I think its sad we've not added an ROH Hawk since Jones. So many worthy candidates.


    You have a whole stadium and 2 levels where they can be seen probably three levels, lots of room.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Tue May 14, 2019 4:23 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Still not sure why more of the Holmgren era Hawks are not in the ROH. Holmgren, Hass and Alexander had better careers than Knox, Krieg or Warner.

    Paul Allen needs to be in the ROH ASAP. From the Carroll era, Wilson, Carroll, Wagner are the biggest locks. On the bubble, Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Lynch and Baldwin.

    Is the ROH large enough?

    I think its sad we've not added an ROH Hawk since Jones. So many worthy candidates.


    You again make me wonder what the exact criteria is for admission. If I cannot know that, I can't predict well who should/shouldn't get in.

    It almost appears that some early players were enrolled as the first semi-successful Hawks just because they showed we could be competitive; they helped build the franchise and fan-base.

    Later, the floor level for induction was raised, thus you only see guys like Kennedy, Easley, and more recently, Big Walt. We're talking about Hall of Fame type players now who spend much of their careers in Seattle.

    But if we're talking special moments for Seattle, then the entire SB-winning team should be enshrined.

    We'll see what happens, but I'd like to know more about what it takes to get in.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 16, 2019 7:04 am
  • Seahawker76 wrote:I have never agreed with the practice of retiring football numbers not to be worn again. The Raiders, Falcons & Cowboys don't do it and the Redskins & Steelers only on rare occasions. Just my two cents.

    Redskins do not retire numbers their equipment guy holds back certain numbers that they do not give out. But officially they do not retire numbers. They held back Theismans and Haskins asked his blessing to wear it but it's not officially retired.
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Re: PC and/or JC in ROH?
Thu May 16, 2019 9:34 am
  • JC?

    JM?


    ???
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