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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 9:12 am
  • King Dog wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:April 24, 2019 Ansah (shoulder) drew positive reviews from a shoulder specialist Monday and expects to be fully cleared by mid-August, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    Ansah (shoulder) drew positive reviews from a shoulder specialist Monday and expects to be fully cleared by mid-August, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... er-return/


    LOL! Did a search for ZIggy Ansah and got this:

    Ansah Sold Direct - eBay | Fantastic prices on Ansah!


    Good news, but this feels like another TJ Lang experience where Ansah's going to be the most coveted free agent out there, so someone's going to pay stupid money like the Lions did for Lang, and price us out of the market.

    Seems to happen every season. So I'm not getting my hopes up.


    We have a lot of cap $$ for this time of year. I think we have a great shot.


    Maybe. We've learned the past two years that John and Pete are pretty disciplined when it comes to spending the cap wisely.

    We could have afforded to keep Frank, and we didn't because John and Pete had a certain value for him, and he wanted much more than that value.

    That's the same way John and Pete approach these free agents. So I don't think we're going to overspend for Ansah just to get him. I'm sure there's a per year value John and Pete think he's worth, and maybe there's a little wiggle room to go higher? But not too high if like I said someone gets crazy, which I think will happen. Seems to always happen with these type of last wave free agents. Teams panic. That's not us.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 11:40 am
  • warden wrote:
    Jeremy517 wrote:Keep in mind that Ansah was not cut, so he would count against any potential compensatory draft picks.

    I think he'd cost way too much though. Can't afford him.



    After May 8th, there would no longer be any effect on compensatory picks


    You stud. I did not know this. Thanks.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 12:33 pm
  • Do we need Ziggy Ansah now? He's probably not absolutely needed, but wouldn't his addition strongly strengthen the DLine and their ability to get after the QB.

    Sure would be nice.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 3:55 pm
  • niveky wrote:
    massari wrote:Wilson liked Huard's tweet

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    Seahawks are signing him after May 7th if he passes the physical.



    Unless someone else takes the lump on a compensatory pick and gets him first.

    Yep. According to Clayton the Ravens, Bills, Saints and Eagles are all in the mix. That would sting if he signs with NO or Philly.


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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 4:41 pm
  • Geez, how much more help do the Saints even need? Having been stuck on the Lions his entire career, playing for a top-end contender would have to be attractive if the price is at least comparable to what he could get elsewhere.

    Comp picks are good, but we really need pass rush help, and I'd hate to lose out on the best one left by far to another team that was willing to strike a deal sooner. As much as John and Pete like to accumulate picks, I think they've shown that comp picks aren't the end-all, be-all for them. We didn't even have any in this past draft.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 6:35 pm
  • I'd prefer Ziggy on a 2y 25mil deal were he got 18 guarenteed. If he busts we can cut next year with 5.5 dead money if he balls out we get him at $12.5 APY. 45% less than Frank. I'd rather take some risk on a 2 year deal with him.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 7:00 pm
  • Since we are not a step away like before teams that are may have a inside track, we will be a leverage team.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 7:52 pm
  • Teams that make the playoffs are a step away. Hawks should be better than last year.

    Pete & John are going to add a pass rusher. They believe this team is a contender.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 8:35 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Since we are not a step away like before teams that are may have a inside track, we will be a leverage team.



    There were only 3-4 teams better than Seattle in the NFC last year. Only two that could be argued were significantly better.

    If that isnt "a step away" what is?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 10:55 pm
  • James in PA wrote:
    niveky wrote:
    massari wrote:Wilson liked Huard's tweet



    Seahawks are signing him after May 7th if he passes the physical.



    Unless someone else takes the lump on a compensatory pick and gets him first.

    Yep. According to Clayton the Ravens, Bills, Saints and Eagles are all in the mix. That would sting if he signs with NO or Philly.


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    The Ravens and Saints would have to do some serious work with their cap to sign him. I don't see the Bills as a legit contender unless they offered considerably more than Seattle. The Eagles are probably the biggest threat of signing him, but they can only afford to give him a 1 year deal while offering him a reduced role. We can offer him longer-term security if he wants it, and we represent the best situation for him to put up big numbers.

    It's possible he signs elsewhere, but we're definitely a front runner for signing him.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 01, 2019 11:13 pm
  • He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Thu May 02, 2019 12:05 am
  • chris98251 wrote:He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.

    The Eagles signed Bennett's replacement with the guy Bennett replaced, Vinny Curry. They don't have the cap space to re-sign Ansah the following season.

    Seattle can give Ansah a prove it deal and offer him the possibility of staying long term. We've never seen the Seahawks rush a guy back from injury, but you are right, Philly is probably the best place for him if he's unsure about his health long term and wants to play it safe; however, if his goal is to prove he is healthy and make the most money possible on his next contract, we are his best landing spot.

    The Seahawks were a better team than Philly last season with less talent. Since Pederson took over the Eagles, we have the same record, we've had a better defense 2/3 seasons, and we have the better QB. I'm not sure if they are significantly closer than we are to winning another title.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Thu May 02, 2019 8:34 am
  • knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.

    The Eagles signed Bennett's replacement with the guy Bennett replaced, Vinny Curry. They don't have the cap space to re-sign Ansah the following season.

    Seattle can give Ansah a prove it deal and offer him the possibility of staying long term. We've never seen the Seahawks rush a guy back from injury, but you are right, Philly is probably the best place for him if he's unsure about his health long term and wants to play it safe; however, if his goal is to prove he is healthy and make the most money possible on his next contract, we are his best landing spot.

    The Seahawks were a better team than Philly last season with less talent. Since Pederson took over the Eagles, we have the same record, we've had a better defense 2/3 seasons, and we have the better QB. I'm not sure if they are significantly closer than we are to winning another title.


    The Eagles have 2M more in cap then we do right now.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

    So they have plenty of cap space for Ansah................AND if Chris Long retires, that's a double whammy for us, because it means the Eagles save another 5.3M in cap and it increases their need for another DE like Ansah in their rotation.

    Your other takes are conjecture, the Eagles are in a worse division and have plenty of talent to give Dallas a run at the NFC East crown, and they have a better D-line rotation for Ansah to thrive in. Here he's going to see a LOT of double teams, just like Clark did.

    Hope we do sign Ansah, we need him bad, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is a slam dunk. There are at least 2-3 other teams in the running with more cap, and might be a better fit for Ansah.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Thu May 02, 2019 9:39 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.

    The Eagles signed Bennett's replacement with the guy Bennett replaced, Vinny Curry. They don't have the cap space to re-sign Ansah the following season.

    Seattle can give Ansah a prove it deal and offer him the possibility of staying long term. We've never seen the Seahawks rush a guy back from injury, but you are right, Philly is probably the best place for him if he's unsure about his health long term and wants to play it safe; however, if his goal is to prove he is healthy and make the most money possible on his next contract, we are his best landing spot.

    The Seahawks were a better team than Philly last season with less talent. Since Pederson took over the Eagles, we have the same record, we've had a better defense 2/3 seasons, and we have the better QB. I'm not sure if they are significantly closer than we are to winning another title.


    The Eagles have 2M more in cap then we do right now.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

    So they have plenty of cap space for Ansah................AND if Chris Long retires, that's a double whammy for us, because it means the Eagles save another 5.3M in cap and it increases their need for another DE like Ansah in their rotation.

    Your other takes are conjecture, the Eagles are in a worse division and have plenty of talent to give Dallas a run at the NFC East crown, and they have a better D-line rotation for Ansah to thrive in. Here he's going to see a LOT of double teams, just like Clark did.

    Hope we do sign Ansah, we need him bad, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is a slam dunk. There are at least 2-3 other teams in the running with more cap, and might be a better fit for Ansah.


    But that cap will change if Angry Doug retires, won't it?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Thu May 02, 2019 10:04 am
  • toffee wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.

    The Eagles signed Bennett's replacement with the guy Bennett replaced, Vinny Curry. They don't have the cap space to re-sign Ansah the following season.

    Seattle can give Ansah a prove it deal and offer him the possibility of staying long term. We've never seen the Seahawks rush a guy back from injury, but you are right, Philly is probably the best place for him if he's unsure about his health long term and wants to play it safe; however, if his goal is to prove he is healthy and make the most money possible on his next contract, we are his best landing spot.

    The Seahawks were a better team than Philly last season with less talent. Since Pederson took over the Eagles, we have the same record, we've had a better defense 2/3 seasons, and we have the better QB. I'm not sure if they are significantly closer than we are to winning another title.


    The Eagles have 2M more in cap then we do right now.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

    So they have plenty of cap space for Ansah................AND if Chris Long retires, that's a double whammy for us, because it means the Eagles save another 5.3M in cap and it increases their need for another DE like Ansah in their rotation.

    Your other takes are conjecture, the Eagles are in a worse division and have plenty of talent to give Dallas a run at the NFC East crown, and they have a better D-line rotation for Ansah to thrive in. Here he's going to see a LOT of double teams, just like Clark did.

    Hope we do sign Ansah, we need him bad, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is a slam dunk. There are at least 2-3 other teams in the running with more cap, and might be a better fit for Ansah.


    But that cap will change if Angry Doug retires, won't it?


    Yes, but why would Doug retire? He'd give up a bunch of money, and have to pay back a portion of his signing bonus.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... -seahawks/

    So my guess is he either won't retire, or the Hawks will have to make him a sweet injury settlement deal to make up for what he'd lose. Which is what I think will happen.

    But either way Doug's situation probably won't be worked out until later this month or June, long after the Ansah sweepstakes are over.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Fri May 03, 2019 7:52 am
  • ivotuk wrote:Looks like he's had some injury troubles the last 2 years, stats are down.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... yxSh00.htm


    Everyone available right now has some issues of some sort. If we can get a couple of these guys that mitigates the risk somewhat.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Fri May 03, 2019 12:00 pm
  • People tend to forget the year we won the SB, we were rotating DE's and DT's like no ones business. We had 14 Defensive Lineman, Bennett, Avril, M. Brooks, R. Bryant, Clemons, J. Hill, B. Irvan, B. Mayowa, T. Mcdaniel, C. Mcdonald, Mebane, O. Schofield, D. Smith, and J. Williams. That is a lot of Dline on a roster but, they were fresh in the 4th quarter of games because they weren't playing every snap. This is what we need to get back to. You look at this roster and at the time there are no big name pass rushers, just guys who were looking to make a name for themselves. With Clark's 17 mil freed up and unfortunately Baldwins 11.8 mil cap hit freed up with retirement (he's retiring on good authority). That is a lot of cap space to sign some free agent help on the D line.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Fri May 03, 2019 2:05 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has a injury he is recovering from, most teams are going to do a prove it type deal and the Eagles with a rotation would be the best situation where he can come along at his pace and still excel in specific role.

    Eagles are a season out of the Super Bowl and need a Bennett replacement. That's the step away situation I am talking about.

    The Eagles signed Bennett's replacement with the guy Bennett replaced, Vinny Curry. They don't have the cap space to re-sign Ansah the following season.

    Seattle can give Ansah a prove it deal and offer him the possibility of staying long term. We've never seen the Seahawks rush a guy back from injury, but you are right, Philly is probably the best place for him if he's unsure about his health long term and wants to play it safe; however, if his goal is to prove he is healthy and make the most money possible on his next contract, we are his best landing spot.

    The Seahawks were a better team than Philly last season with less talent. Since Pederson took over the Eagles, we have the same record, we've had a better defense 2/3 seasons, and we have the better QB. I'm not sure if they are significantly closer than we are to winning another title.


    The Eagles have 2M more in cap then we do right now.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

    So they have plenty of cap space for Ansah................AND if Chris Long retires, that's a double whammy for us, because it means the Eagles save another 5.3M in cap and it increases their need for another DE like Ansah in their rotation.

    Your other takes are conjecture, the Eagles are in a worse division and have plenty of talent to give Dallas a run at the NFC East crown, and they have a better D-line rotation for Ansah to thrive in. Here he's going to see a LOT of double teams, just like Clark did.

    Hope we do sign Ansah, we need him bad, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is a slam dunk. There are at least 2-3 other teams in the running with more cap, and might be a better fit for Ansah.

    The Eagles cap space is deceptive. They have more money this year because they've back-loaded all of their contracts. They have 27M this season; they have just 4M next season. That's what I meant when I said it was harder for them to offer him long term security. It's possible they could make room for him, but their situation is not better than ours financially. We have 25M this season (35M if Doug retires) and 64M next season (70+ if Doug retires).

    All takes are conjecture. You can't claim that your opinion of the Eagles situation is more credible than mine, so why lead with that statement? If you want to focus soley on facts leave your opinions out of it; otherwise, I could just say the rest of your post is conjecture and we'll get no where :P.

    For instance:
    the Eagles are in a worse division

    NFC East record (-Eagles): 22-26
    NFC West record (-Seahawks): 20-28

    Now, I actually agree with you that the NFC West is slightly better, but it's still conjecture for both of us to assume that is the case.

    I never said I think it's a slam dunk; I said they were "a front runner for him", a, being the indefinte article used to signify a nonspecific amount. If I had said they are "the front runner for him" I would agree with your critisim; although, I hesitate to say that any of them are a better fit than we are.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 10:56 am
  • Ok isn’t the comp pick window closed now? Let’s go boys!


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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 11:09 am
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 12:48 pm
  • Is Ziggy as good as Clark? Any skill differentiation? or the way they played?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 12:56 pm
  • toffee wrote:Is Ziggy as good as Clark? Any skill differentiation? or the way they played?


    Ziggy with one arm or two? He's very good when he is healthy
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:01 pm
  • They are closer than a lot of you think, Special teams should be way better than last year, also depth and maybe some impact players to boot... people are sleeping on Poona Ford a little bit at NT... they have put in work these last couple drafts/udfa. Since they tweaked the draft approach last year .. making less excuses for players and fine tuned there board.

    20 plus players the last couple of years is half the roster and is what I have been hoping I would see ... an influx of young hungry cheap talent... they have learned a lot from there mistakes over the years and are firing on all cylinders ... they are a lot closer than people are giving them credit for... what do I know but hey it's what I see and believe.

    Ansah if healthy and that maybe a big if but he is the best chance to fill the hole left by Frank Clark... with the 8 games in Seattle on a one year prove it ... if I am his agent I look at Seattle as a perfect showcase spot for my client.

    There are too many interesting stories on this roster to mention in this post but the free agents I want are

    Ziggy Ansah .. if healthy I mean he is a big Leo and the closest thing to Frank I see unless I am missing something .. you got to bet on health .. and it is not like he has always been hurt .. he got Franchised because he puts in work when healthy.

    Shane Ray .. Not totally sure but on a one year prove it .. swap him for mingo at Sam .. I think he can play the Sam because he was a 3-4 OLB in Denver.. I say Sam because Mingo would be perfect Sam if he had some pass rush ability .. it's weird that guy is not a better pass rusher .. he just seems built for it. Maybe Ray can be that Sam and give you pass rush depth on 3rd down.. while not taking a valuable roster spot on the D line... and with Kendricks and Barton .. maybe he just plays special teams and gives you pass rush depth.. keeping them all fresh.

    Danny Shelton .. we sucked against the run last year and I watched the Super bowl last year and Danny is hard to move .. he is young .. this is his hometown and Pete seems to want to get a big guy for the DT rotation which makes since to keep them all fresh.

    Rasheem Green ... is younger than half our draft class this year and while he did not impress that much .. he flashed at times .. so with a year at the VMAC ... the whole year one to year two thing and with LJ pushing him with Q Jefferson that 5 teq/3rd down inside pass rush .. has some talent and is interesting.

    Leo .. Ansah, Martin, Marsh and Ray... Jacob Martin .. is very interesting .. with Marsh and Ray .. in the bottom of the rotation.. keeping everybody fresh and ready.

    Nt. Poona Ford, Danny Shelton
    Dt Jarran Reed, Marcus Chrismas

    There are just a lot of interesting young talented players on this roster under 25 to go with the core veterans and I think to get through an entire NFL season you need that .. so adding a talented veteran.. with something to prove .. could fit in very nicely ..
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:05 pm
  • Ansah, who was selected No. 5 overall by Detroit in the 2013 draft, has been inconsistent throughout his six years with the Lions. The speedy and athletic 6-foot-5, 275-pounder out of Brigham Young led all rookies with eight sacks. He recorded an NFC-best 14.5 in 2015 and added 12 sacks in 2017 but finished with 2 sacks in 2016 and 4 sacks in 2018. Ansah was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2015 and is fourth on Detroit's all-time career sacks list with 48. He's one of 15 players who have produced at least eight sacks in their rookie season over the last 10 years.

    Detroit applied the franchise tag to Ansah a year ago — which paid him $17.1 million —but he was plagued by a shoulder injury that he suffered in Week 1. He fought through it and played seven games while starting just two. Ansah had 11 total tackles when the Lions placed him on season-ending injured reserve after he re-aggravated the shoulder in December. He also had a shoulder injury surgically repaired before the 2014 season.

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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:20 pm
  • toffee wrote:Is Ziggy as good as Clark? Any skill differentiation? or the way they played?


    From what I understand WHEN HEALTHY (HUGE qualifier) he's better against the run, about the same pass rushing, if he could stay healthy he'd be a regular pro bowl player.

    The way I see it, even if we only brought him in on passing downs only to protect him, he'd be worth a one year prove it deaal

    I honestly believed that BEFORE Frank was traded, at this point an edge rusher is a necessity and given what's available, this would be one of my favorite moves of the offseason.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:25 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    King Dog wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:April 24, 2019 Ansah (shoulder) drew positive reviews from a shoulder specialist Monday and expects to be fully cleared by mid-August, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    Ansah (shoulder) drew positive reviews from a shoulder specialist Monday and expects to be fully cleared by mid-August, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... er-return/


    LOL! Did a search for ZIggy Ansah and got this:

    Ansah Sold Direct - eBay | Fantastic prices on Ansah!


    Good news, but this feels like another TJ Lang experience where Ansah's going to be the most coveted free agent out there, so someone's going to pay stupid money like the Lions did for Lang, and price us out of the market.

    Seems to happen every season. So I'm not getting my hopes up.


    We have a lot of cap $$ for this time of year. I think we have a great shot.


    Maybe. We've learned the past two years that John and Pete are pretty disciplined when it comes to spending the cap wisely.

    We could have afforded to keep Frank, and we didn't because John and Pete had a certain value for him, and he wanted much more than that value.

    That's the same way John and Pete approach these free agents. So I don't think we're going to overspend for Ansah just to get him. I'm sure there's a per year value John and Pete think he's worth, and maybe there's a little wiggle room to go higher? But not too high if like I said someone gets crazy, which I think will happen. Seems to always happen with these type of last wave free agents. Teams panic. That's not us.


    Yep. $16M and $18M tops......just like I said all along!!
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:45 pm
  • Think that's high for Ziggy given his uncertain health condition. Structurally sound is not functionally usable, besides he will be out of shape and unlikely to be assessed until the end of TC. Love to have the player but think his contract will be lower with PT incentives and performance incentives all over the place.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 1:51 pm
  • jammerhawk wrote:Think that's high for Ziggy given his uncertain health condition. Structurally sound is not functionally usable, besides he will be out of shape and unlikely to be assessed until the end of TC. Love to have the player but think his contract will be lower with PT incentives and performance incentives all over the place.

    I agree. I'd be shocked if he gets over 8-12M unless it's heavily incentivized.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 2:01 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:Think that's high for Ziggy given his uncertain health condition. Structurally sound is not functionally usable, besides he will be out of shape and unlikely to be assessed until the end of TC. Love to have the player but think his contract will be lower with PT incentives and performance incentives all over the place.

    I agree. I'd be shocked if he gets over 8-12M unless it's heavily incentivized.

    JS has been pretty good at these over the years. Do they still do the LBTE status on incentives? That could get Ansah an extra few mill on a smaller 'prove it' deal. So maybe $12-14 mill one year deal with $3-5 mill incentives that aren't LTBE, like over 10 sacks or something?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 3:01 pm
  • I miss the days of oh by the way .. Seahawks signed Mike Bennett and Cliff Avril on the QT .. on good deals... having said everything I did above about wanting the Hawks to sign this player. The Bills G.M.s reportedly said he does not think the Seahawks are the favorites ... this Ziggy watch is getting stupid .. I think I am out and am gonna move on.

    I hope they sign him to a reasonable deal ... but let Buffalo over pay and let him go play in the slush .. as Mashawn calls it ... I want him on the roster but at a reasonable price ... I want to root for this dude .. Seattle is the best spot for him for too many reasons to mention but .. it is what it is .. hold strong John and Pete .. don't get over your skies and there are more than one way to skin a cat.

    I have to say it sucks for the dude if he wants to win and he ends up in Buffalo because they over pay ... but whatever I follow the team first and players second .. so the Hawks will get it done either way.

    John and Pete do a very good job and get paid to do this .. I am done until I actually hear something. Also Ziggy Ansah is not going to make or break this team .. there are trades and like I said more than one way to get the pass rush fixed ... it's a nice thought but thank God those two are in charge of our roster .. and not a couple of bafoons.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 3:16 pm
  • Rumor is were going for this Ziggy instead.

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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 3:49 pm
  • It's not the XFL, and rasta life is not allowed in the NFL.

    But don't worry 'bout a ting, cause every little ting gonna be alright.

    Ziggy. Suh, Perry, Ray, or whomever, the team will sort it out and have the guys here by the start of the season.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 3:50 pm
  • sutz wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:Think that's high for Ziggy given his uncertain health condition. Structurally sound is not functionally usable, besides he will be out of shape and unlikely to be assessed until the end of TC. Love to have the player but think his contract will be lower with PT incentives and performance incentives all over the place.

    I agree. I'd be shocked if he gets over 8-12M unless it's heavily incentivized.

    JS has been pretty good at these over the years. Do they still do the LBTE status on incentives? That could get Ansah an extra few mill on a smaller 'prove it' deal. So maybe $12-14 mill one year deal with $3-5 mill incentives that aren't LTBE, like over 10 sacks or something?

    That sounds like a realistic prediction. It seems a little high if he's getting $12-14M in base salary though.

    Ansah is not worth 16M+ on the open market unless he's healthy. I could be wrong, but just looking at his last 3 years there is a better argument to made that he's only worth $6-8M based on production and injury concerns. Now, his upside puts him in a different category, but is a 30-year-old with significant injury concerns whose had one good season in the last 3 years really in a position to get a contract anywhere close to market value even with incentives? I don't see it.

    Realistically, a base salary of 8M, $2-4M in LTBE with 2M in non-LTBE is the most likely scenario, IMO. Your guess is as good as mine though.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:Rumor is were going for this Ziggy instead.

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    And if he falls through, this Ziggy is waiting in the wings ....

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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 7:50 pm
  • Guess we signed Ziggy to a 1 year deal per Rapoport
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 8:19 pm
  • bigcc wrote:
    toffee wrote:Is Ziggy as good as Clark? Any skill differentiation? or the way they played?


    From what I understand WHEN HEALTHY (HUGE qualifier) he's better against the run, about the same pass rushing, if he could stay healthy he'd be a regular pro bowl player.

    The way I see it, even if we only brought him in on passing downs only to protect him, he'd be worth a one year prove it deaal

    I honestly believed that BEFORE Frank was traded, at this point an edge rusher is a necessity and given what's available, this would be one of my favorite moves of the offseason.


    Got him boys, 1 year deal....

    10 or less is an amazing deal, which I'm guessing it is, anything over 12 is iffy
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 8:41 pm
  • The real Ziggy.

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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 11:02 pm
  • "Ziggy played for time,
    jiving us that we were Voodoo
    The kids were just crass,
    He was the naz (Jones?) :2thumbs:
    With God given ass
    He took it all too far
    But, boy, could he play guitar."
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 08, 2019 11:17 pm
  • bigcc wrote:
    bigcc wrote:
    toffee wrote:Is Ziggy as good as Clark? Any skill differentiation? or the way they played?


    From what I understand WHEN HEALTHY (HUGE qualifier) he's better against the run, about the same pass rushing, if he could stay healthy he'd be a regular pro bowl player.

    The way I see it, even if we only brought him in on passing downs only to protect him, he'd be worth a one year prove it deaal

    I honestly believed that BEFORE Frank was traded, at this point an edge rusher is a necessity and given what's available, this would be one of my favorite moves of the offseason.


    Got him boys, 1 year deal....

    10 or less is an amazing deal, which I'm guessing it is, anything over 12 is iffy


    Incentives change things. If he plays 13-14 games and can produce double digit sacks and lots of pressure I'd pay him 12 million considering what Lawrence and Frank are getting.
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Fri May 17, 2019 11:10 am
  • Signed too early?
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Re: Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Sat May 18, 2019 11:37 am
  • The part of the PFT Overtime video involving Ziggy Ansah starts at time mark 4:29 .
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Do we need Ziggy Ansah now?
Wed May 22, 2019 8:18 am
  • And then there’s this quote from Pete yesterday about Ziggy:

    “He’s got a long process to get back. His attitude is great. He’s working every day, involved in all phases of everything that’s going on in the training room and with strength and conditioning. It’s just going to take a while and we’ll see.”

    Translation: He has ZERO chance of being ready for the start of the regular season. PUP list, I’m sure.


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