Seattle should put Cover 0 defense in their gameplan

It seems to work against the good teams thanks to the Patriots.

Yes & stop the jet sweep. Rams got exposed & blue print is out on how to beat them. Especially since Seattle plays them twice a year

If the hawks want another division title,they better buy the Pat's vs rams SB DVD & study it

Rams may not see the playoffs next season

Can somebody break down the X's and O's on this. Why does Cover 0 work against what the Rams do on offense?

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

We already do. Every time TedricThompson lines up as a single high safety he covers exactly zero people.

HawkGA":2e6nsy4t said:

Can somebody break down the X's and O's on this. Why does Cover 0 work against what the Rams do on offense?

Click to expand...

They didn't run a lot of cover-0. They were doing some amoeba stuff pre-snap so McVay couldn't tell the coverage to Goff, but mostly played cover-3.

You have to call it at the right time and corners are key. Gillmore stayed way on top and waited for that one with full awareness as to the dangers of the call. That would be Griffin's guy and he would not be aware of the call ad play trail technique, never look for the ball, and get beat for a TD.

Sucks, but it's true.

Sgt. Largent":3e23b2dj said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

Good stuff. Here's another article that goes into a bit more detail (was linked in the article you sent).

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/bill- ... -bowl-liii

Sgt. Largent":uws8s0kw said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.

knownone":2m3d5szy said:

Sgt. Largent":2m3d5szy said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.

Click to expand...

That's why I said;

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes

Click to expand...

But it doesn't compare to what Belichick can scheme regardless of who's on the field. Chung went out with a broken arm, Gillmore was dinged up.......and they didn't miss a beat. They still made the Ram's offense look pathetic.

So to try and copy what the Patriot's did? That IMO is not something you just install a week or two beforehand, that's something Belichick and his coaches have worked on and perfected for years and years.

Yeah. Brock mentioned how Bill seemed to use the Rams/Lions game as an example. Specifically putting 6 at the line to contain the edge.Disrupts their run game at a basic level.

Sgt. Largent":35sqobv2 said:

knownone":35sqobv2 said:

Sgt. Largent":35sqobv2 said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.

Click to expand...

That's why I said;

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes

Click to expand...

But it doesn't compare to what Belichick can scheme regardless of who's on the field. Chung went out with a broken arm, Gillmore was dinged up.......and they didn't miss a beat. They still made the Ram's offense look pathetic.

So to try and copy what the Patriot's did? That IMO is not something you just install a week or two beforehand, that's something Belichick and his coaches have worked on and perfected for years and years.

Click to expand...

Which makes it interesting how much trouble Pete's teams have given Bill's (2-1). As if he can't just steamroll via scheme through the Hawks.

Sgt. Largent":hoxt8un6 said:

knownone":hoxt8un6 said:

Sgt. Largent":hoxt8un6 said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

I know you’re not knocking Pete but it’s important to remember Pete changed everything up on defense in the second game against the Rams and we just couldn’t stop them. I think that comes down to secondary talent and expirence, an area where the Pats have a very real advantage over us. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the Seahawks held the Rams to 10 points when they had a 3 pro bowlers in the secondary who were better at diagnosing plays then the young guns we’ve had out there recently.

Click to expand...

That's why I said;

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes

Click to expand...

But it doesn't compare to what Belichick can scheme regardless of who's on the field. Chung went out with a broken arm, Gillmore was dinged up.......and they didn't miss a beat. They still made the Ram's offense look pathetic.

So to try and copy what the Patriot's did? That IMO is not something you just install a week or two beforehand, that's something Belichick and his coaches have worked on and perfected for years and years.

Click to expand...

I was specifically talking about this line:

But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing

Click to expand...

The Seahawks tried to disguise their coverages by utilizing the 46 defense, and our corners failed to make the correct reads which lead to big plays. That is why we adjusted to playing primarily quarters and nickel coverages, it wasn't for a lack of trying a complicated scheme, it was due to Flowers, Griffin, and to a lesser extent, Thompson being wildly inexperienced in those schemes. Say what you want, the Pats aren't subbing in guys who've never played corner before who are being asked to play a scheme they've rarely practiced.

The important thing here is that Pete did everything he could to disguise and change what his defense was doing in both games and completely shifted everything for the 2nd matchup. That's the distinction I was making by highlighting your second point. Where we disagree, I don't think it's a Pete issue in any way shape or form, it's strictly a talent/experience issue. Although, to some extent, you could say it's a Pete issue because of Pete's insistence on playing young guys earlier, to which I have no rebuttal.

You can't say his scheme didn't work, we lost by a few points each time as the defense learned on the fly, he also changed up to give the Rams a different look and teams took what Pete did and added to it to further shut them down the second half of the season. As the season progressed the Rams had more and more difficulty having their way with teams.

We will be better this coming year, Rams will have to change things if they want to compete for the division title, they have been figured out to a large degree.

We get another quality Edge guy playing or a guy steps up and can pressure Goff consistently and things fall in place nicely with a blitz package from everywhere any time.

The patriots defensive personnel is better than the hawks.

ImTheScientist":y0ev3hxi said:

The patriots defensive personnel is better than the hawks.

Click to expand...

The Patriots have good players, but they never have the most talented roster in the league, on either side of the ball.

So it's not personnel, it's about scheme, and no one in the history of the league has been a more brilliant schemer than Belichick.

The Patriots lost Chung in the 2nd half, and Gillmore was also injured.......and other than Hightower most people couldn't even name anyone on their defense. Brown? Guy? Wise? Van Noy? Roberts?

It's maddening really. Every other team has major injuries or average players and it's the difference between winning and losing..........the Patriots just plug and play and never miss a beat.

The Pats got away with a ton of holding and contact after five yards in the secondary on Super Sunday. Seahawks don't get that kind latitude with the Refs . I agree though i'd like to see more man concepts in the secondary.

HawkGA":1k2c23ig said:

Sgt. Largent":1k2c23ig said:

Most of the defensive analysis of how the Patriot's confused and got after Goff had more to do with sending in two defensive plays each play, and then as soon as McVay's mic to Goff shut off they'd mix up the coverage.

That's why Goff looked so confused, and the Ram's usually dependable play action wasn't working. Goff doesn't have the experience (and some say intelligence) to recognize the type of schemes and movement the Patriot's were disguising and throwing at him the entire game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/super ... witter.com

So that's really what you want to take away as far as what can work against Goff and the Ram's offense. But then, this is Belichick with two weeks to prepare his defense for all the complicated scheme calls, and not Pete who thinks half the time it doesn't matter if the offense knows what his defense is doing, he still thinks it'll work because of his athletes.

Not a knock against Pete, because it works WHEN you have the athletes. But it's checkers compared to chess when you're talking about what a master Belichick and his coaches do scheme wise.

Click to expand...

Good stuff. Here's another article that goes into a bit more detail (was linked in the article you sent).

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/04/bill- ... -bowl-liii

Click to expand...

Excellent links. The "How Belichick’s Master Plan Unfolded" by Andy Benoit summary spelled it out for me.
Thanks :biggthumpup:

Sgt. Largent":24dsjat8 said:

The Patriots lost Chung in the 2nd half, and Gillmore was also injured.......and other than Hightower most people couldn't even name anyone on their defense. Brown? Guy? Wise? Van Noy? Roberts?

It's maddening really. Every other team has major injuries or average players and it's the difference between winning and losing..........the Patriots just plug and play and never miss a beat.

Click to expand...

Even the media couldn’t name anyone on their defense, so they gave the MVP to Edelman. :lol:

Sgt. Largent":1a5iz8w4 said:

ImTheScientist":1a5iz8w4 said:

The patriots defensive personnel is better than the hawks.

Click to expand...

The Patriots have good players, but they never have the most talented roster in the league, on either side of the ball.

So it's not personnel, it's about scheme, and no one in the history of the league has been a more brilliant schemer than Belichick.

The Patriots lost Chung in the 2nd half, and Gillmore was also injured.......and other than Hightower most people couldn't even name anyone on their defense. Brown? Guy? Wise? Van Noy? Roberts?

It's maddening really. Every other team has major injuries or average players and it's the difference between winning and losing..........the Patriots just plug and play and never miss a beat.

Click to expand...

One small comfort: we beat them twice in the regular season.