Should Russel Wilson take Tom Brady like deal? (Times)

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Should he? Yes, if he is committed to building a Super Bowl team in the next 3 years. But I can't blame him if he takes the money. He is a pro bowl/super bowl winning QB after all...#donttakethemoney

I personally think he's in a solid financial position with his wife, similar to Brady and Giselle. Doesn't mean he has to discount, though.
 

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I would be fascinated to see how much lost salary can be made up from endorsement deals playing for a winner versus playing for a loser. Maybe it's a lot. Maybe it's little to none. But that would be good information to have fora discussion on this.
 

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Sure, and then the Seahawks should just do what the Patriots do with Tom Brady since apparently that's completely fine.

The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements.

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015 ... story.html

Just sign Wilson to a way below market value contract but pay companies he owns for their "goods and services" however much the difference would be between his contract and his actual market value.




What?

You all thought Brady was actually playing for far below his market value so that the Patriots would have more money to pay other players, thus making it possible to field a better team and have a better shot a championships out of the goodness of his heart? Or because he cares about winning more than making his full market value?

:lol:

Nope. Brady is still getting his. And with this "arrangement" nobody really knows how much he is getting from the Patriots. And apparently the NFL doesn't care.
 

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LOL....I was just going to post the TB12 link and bring that up. Decided I didn't want the 'prove it" argument coming up so I passed. Beyond that, the amount of $$ he makes in other endorsements skyrockets after a SB win. Like winning the Olympic gold medal, these championships are worth huge $$.

Ciara told me no way in hell Russell is giving the 20 carat discount anyways. :twisted:
 

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I'd take a TB12 deal for Wilson, but let's face reality here, TB12 didn't net Tom $60M to make up for contract concessions...
 

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soxhawk":2iyoso7u said:
I'd take a TB12 deal for Wilson, but let's face reality here, TB12 didn't net Tom $60M to make up for contract concessions...

Maybe not, but who really knows? I would be shocked if wasn't well into the millions of dollars range. Maybe even into the tens of millions of dollars range. Sounds like this has been going on for several years at this point.

And then there's also this.

The Patriots could be seen as providing additional value by effectively partnering with Brady’s therapy center, while other physical therapy companies pay large sums to sponsor NFL teams such as the Philadelphia Eagles and Chicago Bears.

As for additional value, Rascher said, “It is a big deal for medical groups to be the official providers for professional teams. They pay handsomely for that privilege.’’

Quotes are from the article in my previous post.
 

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One more thing.

Giselle has an estimated net worth of $360-$400 million on her own, not counting Brady's net worth.

Ciara has an estimated net worth of $20 million on her own, not counting Russell's net worth.

Yes, they are both very wealthy, but clearly Giselle and Tom are far wealthier than Russell and Ciara.
 

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Chapow":3j9243l2 said:
One more thing.

Giselle has an estimated net worth of $360-$400 million on her own, not counting Brady's net worth.

Ciara has an estimated net worth of $20 million on her own, not counting Russell's net worth.

Yes, they are both very wealthy, but clearly Giselle and Tom are far wealthier than Russell and Ciara.

Ya Russell is worth around $45M + Ciara is around $20M, so no comparison there at all in worth.

Another thing about TB12. "After football" how much is it worth and what kind of under table / off record agreement do they have to provide him long term business and income?

I'd say enough to make up the difference and then some IMO.
 

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I have nothing against Brady. I do get tired of the whole "He takes less money he's such a humble grounded guy who only cares about winning blah blah blah" crap though because it's a completely dishonest narrative
 

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Chapow":20doqlm3 said:
Sure, and then the Seahawks should just do what the Patriots do with Tom Brady since apparently that's completely fine.

The Patriots, in an unusual departure from National Football League practice, have created a revenue stream for a private business owned by their franchise quarterback, Tom Brady, and a partner who faced federal sanctions after falsely presenting himself as a medical doctor and deceptively promoting nutritional supplements.

The NFL says it is aware of the arrangement and has taken no action, despite questions from some specialists in sports law and economics about whether teams should pay for services by for-profit companies owned by their active players and whether the relationship provides value to Brady that should be counted against the club’s salary cap.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015 ... story.html

Just sign Wilson to a way below market value contract but pay companies he owns for their "goods and services" however much the difference would be between his contract and his actual market value.




What?

You all thought Brady was actually playing for far below his market value so that the Patriots would have more money to pay other players, thus making it possible to field a better team and have a better shot a championships out of the goodness of his heart? Or because he cares about winning more than making his full market value?

:lol:

Nope. Brady is still getting his. And with this "arrangement" nobody really knows how much he is getting from the Patriots. And apparently the NFL doesn't care.

Recovery Water for everybody!


(that's what it's called, right?)
 

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This isn't really only a RW question. If you look at the Pats total roster, they are populated with guys willing to take a bit less than market to keep winning. Mostly just the culture there.
 

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A recent stat I read goes like this:

"Tom Brady has been in 13 of the last 16 AFC Title Games"

Personally I do not think for one second the Pats would have or could have done that without Brady's approach to his salary and the number of megabucks endorsement and advertising gigs he has gotten because of the teams continued success has more than made up for any NFL salary hits he took to keep help the team competitive.

I love Russ and am a big fan but if I had his ear for just one question I would ask him this:

"Would any other NFL team have given you the chance to succeed as a rookie like you got here in Seattle?"

With his height issue being the first thing that comes out of any scout or NFL guru's mouth before he had success I feel pretty sure he would have been stuck in a back up role for a VERY long time, if not his entire career.

Let's not forget the Hawks actually let him compete for the starting job and WIN it over a high dollar, recently signed veteran.

The number of NFL teams that would have truly given him a shot at the starting QB job would easily been counted on one hand, maybe only one finger, the Hawks.

We can't forget as well that being the Hawks star QB will bring him many more big $$ endorsement and/or advertising gigs.

Will he get that going to a brand new NFL team? I think not, at least not until he has a good amount of success and a good track record with his new team.

Just my .02

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Chapow":1ww20enh said:
One more thing.

Giselle has an estimated net worth of $360-$400 million on her own, not counting Brady's net worth.

Ciara has an estimated net worth of $20 million on her own, not counting Russell's net worth.

Yes, they are both very wealthy, but clearly Giselle and Tom are far wealthier than Russell and Ciara.

So, in other words, they're all over paid lol.
 

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Does Russell get to help pick the players that he is subsidizing? Does he give up the dough to go get a chumps or champs?
 

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TreeRon":3e0qkvlk said:
Does Russell get to help pick the players that he is subsidizing? Does he give up the dough to go get a chumps or champs?
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I don't know for sure but if the truth were known about Tom Brady's situation with the Pat's I would be willing to bet he sure has input on his O-Line free agent signings among others.

If Russ was to do something similar it wouldn't surprise me one bit that he would have input though I am sure it would be denied.

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12HawkFan":228fgl5t said:
TreeRon":228fgl5t said:
Does Russell get to help pick the players that he is subsidizing? Does he give up the dough to go get a chumps or champs?
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I don't know for sure but if the truth were known about Tom Brady's situation with the Pat's I would be willing to bet he sure has input on his O-Line free agent signings among others.

If Russ was to do something similar it wouldn't surprise me one bit that he would have input though I am sure it would be denied.

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Wouldn't denied input be the same as no input then LOL? :?
 

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Most will agree that it is ultimately up to Russ to do what he wants with his own life. I personally would and do take a little less in exchange for more guarantees, input, and a better team. However, if Russ wants every dollar he can get regardless of situation than that's what he values and there's nothing wrong with that.

I don't think Russ is egotistical or crazy enough to the point that he would want to dictate personnel whims to the front office. Maybe that's just fan venting based on how bad our OL outcomes were the last couple of years, but the draft boards and FA evaluations are the product of dozens of experienced scouts working year round using inside information. I am even more certain that Brady is not dumb enough to tell Bill Belichick of all people how to put together a NFL roster.

Collaboration on the other hand is expected. When we are doing the 53 man WR cut downs in the summer you can bet that they will ask Russ about his comfort and thoughts about the fringe candidates. When they are evaluating Dave Canales this off-season they will absolutely ask Russ how he felt things went this year. One of the things that reportedly sabotaged GB's off season was them letting their QB coach go without talking to Rodgers. Of course it's very possible that they did talk to Rodgers, he wanted to move on from the coach, and he denied it publicly to avoid seeming like the bad guy in the situation.
 

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12HawkFan":2bm5ja0y said:
A recent stat I read goes like this:

"Tom Brady has been in 13 of the last 16 AFC Title Games"

Personally I do not think for one second the Pats would have or could have done that without Brady's approach to his salary and the number of megabucks endorsement and advertising gigs he has gotten because of the teams continued success has more than made up for any NFL salary hits he took to keep help the team competitive.

I think it has much more to do with the three utterly useless franchises in their division. The Dolphins fire their coach and the Jets hire him? Are you kidding me? The Patriots were +111 in scoring differential this year. They were +110 in their division.
 

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On September 10, 2010, Brady signed a four-year, $72 million contract extension, making him the highest-paid player in the NFL.

2010 was Brady's 11th NFL season. Next year will be Russ' 9th. Russ can sign one more big deal (something like 5 more years) before taking a reduced salary and he'd be on par with Brady.
 
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