You can not defend the onside kick

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With the new 2018 rules, the sudden onside kick will never work.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/nfl-k ... -clarified

Here are the rules so the sudden onside kick will always go into the "set up zone" that means the other team is ALWAYS WATCHING YOU!!!! The old way players on the receiving team would just turn their backs to the kicking team and run back to set up the blocks. That is not how kickoffs are done anymore, the receiving team now stands and watches the kicking team to follow their assignment through the "set up zone" to block them in the hitting zone.

Long story short old man Pete forgot about the new rules. That is on the special team's coach to say "That doesn't work anymore with the new rules."
 

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I think he was pretty much going for the surprise. That part was good. Unfortunately, it wasn't a very good kick. Risky play call that didn't work. Knowing the stats on Sea-bass now makes it look really bad.
 
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MD5eahawks":2lrqb8wg said:
I think he was pretty much going for the surprise. That part was good. Unfortunately, it wasn't a very good kick. Risky play call that didn't work. Knowing the stats on Sea-bass now makes it look really bad.


You're missing the point you can't surprise them anymore the receiving team is always watching the kicking team with the new rules.
 

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They sure surprised everybody else. I’d be willing to bet you weren’t expecting it. I get it that it’s harder to do now but maybe that’s why they did it.
I guess I didn’t notice that they never used to watch the kicking team until the rules were changed.
 

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0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?
 

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Aros":3ao1nr7u said:
0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?
And that’s probably the reasoning right there. Hence the surprise.
 

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It was yet another head scratcher by Carroll. Guess he didnt think the d could stop them. It did cause them to lose the game imo.
 

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I just don't know what makes them think that they are competent enough to try it.
 

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Cyrus12":1hwcd9vj said:
It was yet another head scratcher by Carroll. Guess he didnt think the d could stop them. It did cause them to lose the game imo.
While I didn’t necessarily agree with it, I don’t think it lost the game. Defense lost the game. They had no answer for the crossing routes.
 
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With the new rules, it will fail 99.99% of the time. It will only work if the other player tries to run with the ball and fumbles it. The kick coverage unit doesn't get a running start anymore so they can't cover that ground as fast as they used to. The receiving tram no longer turns their back to the kicking team so they will ALWAYS SEE THE SHORT KICK. The rules changed it is dumb to even waste practice time on it.
 

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It's pretty easy to defend because our defense was getting shredded. Even if the chance of success was very low, so was our chance of stopping them from bringing the ball back to midfield. Maybe one is 10% and one is 15% but without having a time machine and the 1.21 gigawatts necessary to power it then it's all just conjecture as to which was better. For all we know, we were better off with this outcome because they scored in less time than they would have if we kicked it away.

In general, it is smart for underdogs to seek risk in order to maximize their chances of an upset.
 

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Aros":w9ip1nl4 said:
0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?

Yeah, except for that one in January 2015.

Quick to forget.
 
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AgentDib":2vhcyf2e said:
It's pretty easy to defend because our defense was getting shredded. Even if the chance of success was very low, so was our chance of stopping them from bringing the ball back to midfield. Maybe one is 10% and one is 15% but without having a time machine and the 1.21 gigawatts necessary to power it then it's all just conjecture as to which was better. For all we know, we were better off with this outcome because they scored in less time than they would have if we kicked it away.

In general, it is smart for underdogs to seek risk in order to maximize their chances of an upset.


In 2017 I agree because it could work. In 2018 and beyond it will never work the rules are fundamentally changed.
 

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NINEster":2kvc6par said:
Aros":2kvc6par said:
0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?

Yeah, except for that one in January 2015.

Quick to forget.
The stat is in reference to Janikowski, not the Seahawks.
 

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bigskydoc":17o8fnzh said:
NINEster":17o8fnzh said:
Aros":17o8fnzh said:
0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?

Yeah, except for that one in January 2015.

Quick to forget.
The stat is in reference to Janikowski, not the Seahawks.


Oh ok.
 

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Yeah, they were playing a great game all day. Then they call that crap. ZERO excuse for trying that, let alone giving that offense a short field. You also can't defend then not rolling Russ out more and trying to make him Tom Brady sitting in the pocket :roll:
Look, I like Pete, but him and his coaching staff have been outcoached in the 4th quarter in just about every loss this year.
 

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Aros":1onqxl1q said:
0-25 in onside kicks. What part of that stat makes you feel confident that THIS time it will work?

I really think Pete was thinking our defense can't stop a long sustained time eating clock drive, so let's try the onside kick. If we get it great, but if not hopefully we can hold them to a FG, leave time on the clock and win it at the end of the game. And it almost worked.
 

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sdog1981":kfm76ns2 said:
With the new rules, it will fail 99.99% of the time. It will only work if the other player tries to run with the ball and fumbles it. The kick coverage unit doesn't get a running start anymore so they can't cover that ground as fast as they used to. The receiving tram no longer turns their back to the kicking team so they will ALWAYS SEE THE SHORT KICK. The rules changed it is dumb to even waste practice time on it.

I brought this up a week ago. Sadly Pete didn't get the "newsflash". :roll: Even knowing the new rules making it more difficult, I don't believe Pete is even aware of how historically bad SeaBass is at attempting them. :pukeface:
 
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