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Do the Seahawks now have one of the best OL's in the NFL?

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A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:30 pm
  • Could it be? Do we have one of the better OL's in the NFL currently?
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:27 pm
  • My response is, not one of the best. But refreshingly, not one of the worst. Possibly above average, which is both a long-sought goal and a stinging indictment of rhymes-with-unable.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:15 pm
  • GeekHawk wrote:My response is, not one of the best. But refreshingly, not one of the worst. Possibly above average, which is both a long-sought goal and a stinging indictment of rhymes-with-unable.


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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:39 pm
  • Aros wrote:Could it be? Do we have one of the better OL's in the NFL currently?



    I would say at this point the O lIne has made the biggest jump in the league from bottom to around average, those who have watched the last few years can see the difference in just the Backs able to get to the hole without getting hit and Wilson able to make those deep passes pretty cleanly due to the ability to actually run the ball for good average. The other part is you know it is the line since all of the backs have had a level of success.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:58 pm
  • GeekHawk wrote:My response is, not one of the best. But refreshingly, not one of the worst. Possibly above average, which is both a long-sought goal and a stinging indictment of rhymes-with-unable.


    Well put.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:36 am
  • Not ready to talk in superlatives yet. Still a limited body of work, so to speak.

    They have climbed out of the cellar for now, but let's see a few more games.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:05 am
  • I'd say they are right around average, possibly above average which is all this offense needs to work. Allows them some breathing room to get the younger guys up to speed and not thrown to the wolves.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:11 am
  • Love what I'm seeing, but given the first 2 weeks I'd say lets hold the celebration and see how they perform against a formidable defense again.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:01 am
  • How many SBs did the Seahawks miss out on because of Cable?
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:09 am
  • Seymour wrote:Love what I'm seeing, but given the first 2 weeks I'd say lets hold the celebration and see how they perform against a formidable defense again.


    Bingo.

    I've been super impressed with how the line's played since Fluker started playing and Sweezy moved to LG, but we've also played two terrible D-lines the last two weeks........and Russell was running for his life against Denver and Chicago's very good D-lines.

    So ask me again in a month.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:12 am
  • Seymour wrote:Love what I'm seeing, but given the first 2 weeks I'd say lets hold the celebration and see how they perform against a formidable defense again.


    Formidable defences in the future? You mean the Vikings and .....?

    I think we need to worry more about the formidable offences in the future. Our OL will do fine against most of the teams on our list.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:20 am
  • Not one of the best, yet. But certainly improving big time. Just look at the numbers since they put Fluker and Sweezy in as the guards. It's night and day, especially the rushing numbers.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:22 am
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    Seymour wrote:Love what I'm seeing, but given the first 2 weeks I'd say lets hold the celebration and see how they perform against a formidable defense again.


    Formidable defences in the future? You mean the Vikings and .....?

    I think we need to worry more about the formidable offences in the future. Our OL will do fine against most of the teams on our list.


    You're right, but the Rams, Packers, Vikings and Panthers all are in the top 15 in rush defense. So it's a valid point.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:56 am
  • Mad Dog wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Love what I'm seeing, but given the first 2 weeks I'd say lets hold the celebration and see how they perform against a formidable defense again.


    Formidable defences in the future? You mean the Vikings and .....?

    I think we need to worry more about the formidable offences in the future. Our OL will do fine against most of the teams on our list.


    We are talking about our offensive line. Rams, Packers, and Vikings all have top 10 Dlines that will test them.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:51 am
  • We have one of the best RUN Blocking O-lines in the league. And we’re average at pass blocking. The running game is forcing D-lineman to hesitate before trying to tee off on Russ. If we were a pass first team, I suspect our O-line would struggle mightily.

    That said, we’re definitely top 10 now when you consider run and pass blocking. And that’s a huge improvement
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:56 am
  • I agree with what most have said in this thread. We've come a long way in a short time this year, but we still have a ways to go.

    I know that statistically we are a VERY good Pass blocking line, but my eye test doesn't fit that narrative. I believe our run blocking is what has fueled or offensive efficiency so far this season, and as long as we are able to run the ball well, we should be in every game, but if we get into a shootout where we are passing 2/1 over running, I think we'll be in trouble and see a lot more Wilson running for his life.

    With that said, I think we can continue this solid running attack and take advantage of teams stacking the box to stop the run with a few well timed deep passes.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:00 am
  • Our OLine is not a weakness anymore, well at least not to the same degree as it was under Cable. There is still a long way to go until it could be said to be a strength or anywhere near close to being elite.

    The above being said I am very happy with the direction things are moving towards.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:42 am
  • We've played some crap teams.. I mean really bad teams, so it's hard to say. How did we do against the Rams?
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:44 am
  • Bobblehead wrote:We've played some crap teams.. I mean really bad teams, so it's hard to say. How did we do against the Rams?


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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:44 am
  • We almost beat them, so there's that
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:45 am
  • Bobblehead wrote:We've played some crap teams.. I mean really bad teams, so it's hard to say. How did we do against the Rams?

    We held them to the 3rd lowest scoring so far, and almost outscored them. ;)
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:55 am
  • No matter, I think that there is only 4 teams who we play that will or could give our OL a test.. Minn, San Deigo, Rams, and possibly Carolina.. not sure about them. Our OL should be in pretty good shape going forward here.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:55 am
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:19 am
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:20 pm
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:24 pm
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:51 pm
  • They look a lot better then the first 2 games ; maybe above average with the starting 5 at this point ; but if even just one of those guys goes down I don't see the depth to compensate. IMO
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:54 pm
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:00 pm
  • xray wrote:They look a lot better then the first 2 games ; maybe above average with the starting 5 at this point ; but if even just one of those guys goes down I don't see the depth to compensate. IMO


    That's literally every O-line in the league.

    Hard enough to find above average starting lineman, let alone quality depth that can step in and not have a significant drop off. That's why Solari's proven that the most important person on the O-line may be the coach.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:31 pm
  • Like what I'm seeing but can they keep it up for the year? We're still winless in March and the O-line has always been a huge part of that.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:16 pm
  • After the way they battled the Rams (to an extremely close scoring game), I'd say that and they are in the top ten.
    In just a few months time, Solari has them playing better than they had been playing for Cable over the last several years.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:02 pm
  • Hmmm...
    I'd say we've always had a decent line. We have now finally gotten someone to coach them correctly.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:03 am
  • The unit ranks 1st-overall in pass-blocking efficiency through the last four weeks, according to Pro Football Focus, and the tackle duo of Duane Brown and Germain Ifedi ranks in the top five in pass blocking.

    Wrap your brains around that 12's. Wow.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:10 am
  • Exactly, wow is right.
    Just goes to show you can't predict what's gonna' happen in the NFL. Nobody saw this coming. People can dismiss the Raiders and Cards thing as much as they want. The Hawks put up 190 rushing yards on the Rams.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:04 pm
  • Exactly. There is a very real and tangible improvement taking place here and nobody can tell me it has nothing to do with Cable being gone. Solari has been worth every penny since he got here.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:19 pm
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    Bobblehead wrote:We've played some crap teams.. I mean really bad teams, so it's hard to say. How did we do against the Rams?


    Better then anyone else.


    This, Chris nailed it.

    Our OL certainly hasn't earn the respect from DCs around the league, that might take a few more games, but we sure have gotten their attention! Therefore adjustments will be make by DCs to counter or exploit our OL, I am eager to see the outcome of that chess match. If our OL maintain their current ranking, they are totally legit and deserve respect.

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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:28 pm
  • I think they are around average, but I do believe they answered my question when the season started,,,,,,,it was more Cables fault then theirs. I really didn't know coming in.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:I think they are around average, but I do believe they answered my question when the season started,,,,,,,it was more Cables fault then theirs. I really didn't know coming in.


    I honestly think we are programmed to think they could not possibly be better than average. I call horse-puckey. Right now, to my eyes, this OL is as dominant as ANY I have seen in the NFL this season, period. I have NFL Redzone so I watch all the games every Sunday and that is an honest statement.

    Sorry, but not buying the "average" line. This OL, right here and right now? They are top 5 easy.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:21 pm
  • When one of your guards can pancake a guy like Suh, you do not have an average line, When you can have a 7th rounder an a 4th round cast-off both have 100 yard games you do not have an average line. When you can keep Aaron Donald from completely destroying your QB, you do not have an average line 8)
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:30 pm
  • Polk738 wrote:When one of your guards can pancake a guy like Suh, you do not have an average line, When you can have a 7th rounder an a 4th round cast-off both have 100 yard games you do not have an average line. When you can keep Aaron Donald from completely destroying your QB, you do not have an average line 8)


    EXACTLY!

    Why do we feel like saying average is a win for this OL? Let's give them the credit they deserve. If this OL is just "average" (as if it's a compliment) so are the Patriots. Come on folks. Climb aboard. It's okay. It really is okay to admit that your Seattle Seahawks FINALLY have an OL that is currently one of the better units in the league.

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Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 pm
  • But there's a lot of fear, fear from getting hopes up only to see them revert to (below) the mean. So we justify our fear of hoping by saying the defenses we played weren't that good.

    The Rams game should have told us something. The Raiders with Mack would have told us something, too, but since we played Mack with the Bears earlier in the season, and we seem to have improved since then, maybe there's enough evidence to embrace the love, just a bit. Maybe.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:49 pm
  • For every time I 1-Mississippi 2- Mississippi 3-Mississippi WTF ARE THEY DOING!?!.. this line I’m super impressed.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:56 pm
  • A few random thoughts:

    When Pete didn't sign a offensive genius as OC, didn't sign proven FA linemen, I thought Pete has lost his mind.
    When Pete signed Solari, I checked his long body of work. Good but no OL whisperer.
    When Pete signed Schotty, I was sure that Pete did lost his mind.
    When Pete signed Fluker, drafted Penny, sign/draft BLOCKING TEs, I saw some light but still puzzled at Pete's solution to our offense problems. Can a blocking TE really make that much of a difference in running game and pass protection?
    When we lost the first two games, it was salt on wound. Our OL sucked, running game sucked, OC sucked, Solari didn't fix the line. Pete sucked.

    Somehow Pete's solution started to work after that, Schotty suddenly became adequate, running game great, our OL ranking sky rocketed, our pass defense is #1 in the league. I am insisting on giving credit to Earl, his finger puked a volcano releasing pilot hole, everyone's playing as if there's a finger in their your know what, the anger, the hunger, almost a different team. Pay that finger.

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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:56 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    I am insisting on giving credit to Earl, his finger puked a volcano releasing pilot hole, everyone's playing as if there's a finger in their your know what, the anger, the hunger, almost a different team. Pay that finger.


    And I'm just as convinced that you got to be on some hallucinatory drugs. LOL
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:21 pm
  • After week 7, FBO had the Lions in first place for adjusted sack rate. I’d say we have a pretty freaking good offensive line now.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:25 pm
  • This OL is probably the best in the league AT THIS MOMENT.

    Not a homer speaking...What I honestly think right now.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:22 pm
  • It’s no longer a liability, but definitely not elite.

    Since the first two games, they’ve asserted themselves in the run game nicely. In obvious passing situations, they’re getting better every week.

    I’ve been saying it for the past 3 years; the line doesn’t have to be great, or even good. They just need to be ADEQUATE to give us a chance to win. In Russ I trust.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:34 pm
  • I watch us run at will in anyone and pass protect just fine and it is undeniably a strength. It isn't just russ escaping, this line is a huge reason Carson can shine and that run game is a huge reason Russ has looked better IMO.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:41 pm
  • Improving but still ways to go to be the best. Having a competent OL coach makes a difference. One that doesn't juggle the OL week in week out, teaches the players to block rather dive at knees. Raiders OL from being one of the best to one of the worst...guess who is their OL coach? Not a coincidence.
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Re: A Perpetual Weakness Now A Strength?
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:45 pm
  • Too early to put them in the "best" category but goodness they are much improved and so too then is RW's overall effectiveness/running game, etc.

    Guess all those who said Cable was the root cause of so much problems were spot on.

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