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Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:28 pm
  • IMHO Can't see it being Calitro.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:34 pm
  • Wagner probably.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:35 pm
  • IMO for sure Calitro, he is not versatile at all, no coverage ability.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:44 pm
  • In our base defense it is a pretty safe bet to say that KJ will replace Calitro. Calitro has played well, but he lacks the leadership and athleticism of KJ.

    The decision is much more challenging when deciding if KJ replaces Mingo in our nickel packages. Mingo's Versatility seems valuable when the Defense has their Nickel personnel on the field. However, Mingo is not the most consistent player and seems to have lapses in coverage. KJ has proved to be a special linebacker for the Seahawks due to his consistency both in coverage and against the run.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:14 pm
  • Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:54 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.

    They play different positions. Mingo plays the strong side which is vastly different from the weak side.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:21 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.


    Do you think that Mingo has been better in coverage than KJ?

    I have to agree that this is probably KJ's last season here. Mingo is younger, more versatile, more athletic and will also probably be much cheaper than KJ Wright.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:15 am
  • I don't think there are any mysteries about the depth chart.

    KJ plays WILL (weak/right side) for us so he will supplant Calitro who is probably better backing up Wagner at MIKE (middle) anyway. The coaching staff will probably try to work Shaquem Griffin in just a little bit as well whenever we seem to have the game in hand.

    Will LBs need to be primarily very fast as they will often end up covering a slot receiver or a back catching a pass out of the backfield. They typically have the most ground to cover and so have to be smart and react quickly to what is developing. They need to be able to tackle well in space as their run support comes on the back side of the formations. KJ has been a key asset for the club at WILL over the years as he tackles very well.

    Barkevious Mingo and Jacob Martin play SAM (strong/left side) for us.

    On passing plays they may need to drop into short zone coverage, play man to man coverage on the TE or rush the passer. On running plays they are often key defenders trying to fight through TE/FB blocks to tackle the RB. Strength and physicality are just as important as speed, and the Hawks love to get pass rush out of their SAM backers when they can.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:01 am
  • KJ still not getting the respect he deserves
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:15 am
  • I can’t see any way that KJ doesn’t immediately replace Calitro. KJ is a Pro Bowl quality WOLB with exceptional diagnostic ability. The D is far better with him than without him.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:59 am
  • Calitro hasn’t been very good. Getting KJ back is a boon for the defense.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:20 am
  • The thing about KJ is that his best position has probably always been MLB in a 4-3. He'd be a perfect fit in a 3-4. I love having KJ but if I was his agent I'd consider having him move to someone playing the 3-4. If we keep him and I hope we do, then hopefully we'll start subbing him out on certain passing downs. He's great to have in the event Wagner goes down. I really like Calitro at MLB too though. Nice to have options for once. Looking ahead to next year this team has a chance of adding a handful of new faces and becoming the deepest team in the Carrol era. Go Hawks!
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:03 pm
  • Is KJ definitely coming back next week??
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:27 pm
  • Calitro for sure. He's an almost passable MLB, but that's it. Wagner played WILL last week in base. Mingo/KJ in nickel is the real discussion, and I think Mingo is in the process of winning that battle.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:47 pm
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:54 pm
  • I think they'll keep guys in whatever position group that seems to be hurting more and let some go (knock on wood ) from other positions just to keep the best players on the team because there's no guarantee that when KJ comes back he doesn't pull a hammy 2 weeks in as he hasn't played all year so while we sucked injury wise at RB last year , this year we're strong so we gotta do what we gotta do
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:Calitro for sure. He's an almost passable MLB, but that's it. Wagner played WILL last week in base. Mingo/KJ in nickel is the real discussion, and I think Mingo is in the process of winning that battle.


    Wagner actually played MLB last week in base D. It might have looked like Cailtro was playing middle because Wagner was shifted over a lot to play against the Raiders 3 tighend packages.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:00 pm
  • It’s not 1995 anymore the Seahawks play with two linebackers 60% of all snaps.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:32 am
  • hawxfreak wrote:C J PROSISE
    Period

    Kind of what i was angling at,places on the 53,who provides best value on the field at LB, Calitro or Shaquem,or do they lose someone from another position group, and i was forgetting that Mckissic and Dickson are becoming available as well.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:59 am
  • vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.


    I think that you make a really good and misunderstood point here. While Mingo is not going to replace KJ on the weakside he could replace KJ as the LB that stays on the field in Nickel. There is no rule that says that it has to be the Will LB that stays on the field in Nickel. I think that KJ has really slowed down in coverage and that Mingo might be an improvement. If KJ becomes a two-down back there is no way that he gets re-signed (unless he is willing to take a BIG paycut).
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:10 am
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Calitro for sure. He's an almost passable MLB, but that's it. Wagner played WILL last week in base. Mingo/KJ in nickel is the real discussion, and I think Mingo is in the process of winning that battle.


    Wagner actually played MLB last week in base D. It might have looked like Cailtro was playing middle because Wagner was shifted over a lot to play against the Raiders 3 tighend packages.

    No. Watch the tape. He played WILL so they could hide Calitro a little in coverage.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:55 am
  • KJ is so much better than Callitro and it's not even close.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:56 am
  • My bad, and no disrespect to K.J., but with the time he's been out, was mixing him up with the guys stored on IR. :roll:
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:10 am
  • Tical21 wrote:
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    Tical21 wrote:Calitro for sure. He's an almost passable MLB, but that's it. Wagner played WILL last week in base. Mingo/KJ in nickel is the real discussion, and I think Mingo is in the process of winning that battle.


    Wagner actually played MLB last week in base D. It might have looked like Cailtro was playing middle because Wagner was shifted over a lot to play against the Raiders 3 tighend packages.

    No. Watch the tape. He played WILL so they could hide Calitro a little in coverage.

    Here's the 1st three Base D plays of the game.

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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:14 am
  • KJ is our second best LB. That's all that matters. They'll find a spot for him.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:22 am
  • They have a spot for KJ. He'll retake his starting role at WLB over Calitro.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:26 am
  • getnasty wrote:KJ still not getting the respect he deserves


    Hard to command respect from the inactive list.

    When KJ plays, he gets plenty of respect from his peers and teammates............he just so happened to play on a nasty defense full of great players, and vocal players.

    I feel bad for KJ, he picked a bad year to have a serious injury trying to play for an extension going into free agency.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:49 am
  • seanmatt wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.


    I think that you make a really good and misunderstood point here. While Mingo is not going to replace KJ on the weakside he could replace KJ as the LB that stays on the field in Nickel. There is no rule that says that it has to be the Will LB that stays on the field in Nickel. I think that KJ has really slowed down in coverage and that Mingo might be an improvement. If KJ becomes a two-down back there is no way that he gets re-signed (unless he is willing to take a BIG paycut).

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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:11 am
  • seanmatt wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.


    I think that you make a really good and misunderstood point here. While Mingo is not going to replace KJ on the weakside he could replace KJ as the LB that stays on the field in Nickel. There is no rule that says that it has to be the Will LB that stays on the field in Nickel. I think that KJ has really slowed down in coverage and that Mingo might be an improvement. If KJ becomes a two-down back there is no way that he gets re-signed (unless he is willing to take a BIG paycut).


    To add to this, Mychal Kendricks might also be available in 2019 on a cheap prove it deal. I thought he played great for us during the short time he was active.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:49 am
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    seanmatt wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Kind of have to disagree on that last part. KJ has been the weakest link in pass coverage for 3 years straight now. He gets picked on, in fact. On top of that, he lacks speed and gets outrun for big yards when giving up catches. Great at sniffing out a screen, can put himself in great position against the run, but is also not strong at the POA and lacks speed in coverage.

    This won't be popular, but Mingo is not only the end of KJ's time here after the season, he's also an upgrade.


    I think that you make a really good and misunderstood point here. While Mingo is not going to replace KJ on the weakside he could replace KJ as the LB that stays on the field in Nickel. There is no rule that says that it has to be the Will LB that stays on the field in Nickel. I think that KJ has really slowed down in coverage and that Mingo might be an improvement. If KJ becomes a two-down back there is no way that he gets re-signed (unless he is willing to take a BIG paycut).


    To add to this, Mychal Kendricks might also be available in 2019 on a cheap prove it deal. I thought he played great for us during the short time he was active.


    This would be awesome if they get Kendricks in 2019. I thought he was looking great in his limited time here -- just think if he had a training camp to be fully immersed in the defense. KJ has been great for the Hawks but he is reaching that age and with injuries and surgeries creeping in THEN it is time to cut ties. Since he is FA at the end of the season then it will be easy to let him go. I'm sure Raiders will over pay for him since they will have massive cap and Gruden says he wants more ex-Seahawks. The one key to Patriots ability to stay competitive is cutting ties with very good players that have reached that point where their careers have most likely peaked.

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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:09 pm
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
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    Tical21 wrote:Calitro for sure. He's an almost passable MLB, but that's it. Wagner played WILL last week in base. Mingo/KJ in nickel is the real discussion, and I think Mingo is in the process of winning that battle.


    Wagner actually played MLB last week in base D. It might have looked like Cailtro was playing middle because Wagner was shifted over a lot to play against the Raiders 3 tighend packages.

    No. Watch the tape. He played WILL so they could hide Calitro a little in coverage.

    Here's the 1st three Base D plays of the game.

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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:22 pm
  • Mike and Will in over and under fronts aren't as static as you might think. For instance, motion will often displace them due to the lack of time to make the shift. 1 tech and 3 tech are affected much the same.

    Motion isn't always just for je offense to tip their hand to show man vs zone. Sometimes you might want to isolate players on the run game. Say maybe a 3 tech or a Will in the A gap.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:32 am
  • Umm... I don’t think KJ was ir’d and he played in the pre-season so he wasn’t pup’d. He’s just been inactive but on roster unless 1. I’m misinformed or 2. I’m not understanding the op’s question.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:04 am
  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Umm... I don’t think KJ was ir’d and he played in the pre-season so he wasn’t pup’d. He’s just been inactive but on roster unless 1. I’m misinformed or 2. I’m not understanding the op’s question.

    I think you're right. Dickson was on NFI, though. It'll take a roster move once he gets activated. Not sure if NFI is like PUP or not, but we might get a two week exemption for him.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:03 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:I apologize, after re-watching the game, I think you're right, and have promptly swatted my source in the back of the head.

    Perhaps what you are thinking about is Mingo played some WILL in two LB sets alongside Wagner and the difference between the two can be pretty minor in certain looks.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:29 pm
  • AgentDib wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I apologize, after re-watching the game, I think you're right, and have promptly swatted my source in the back of the head.

    Perhaps what you are thinking about is Mingo played some WILL in two LB sets alongside Wagner and the difference between the two can be pretty minor in certain looks.

    Nah, a guy I trust a lot with film study told me they put Wagner at Will in base to hide Calitro in coverage, but I couldn't find any instances of that.
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Re: Who will KJ displace ?
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:01 am
  • Still waiting to hear what happens with Kendricks, he not only looked really solid, I think the Hawks have a real shot at signing him to a nice cap friendly deal IF he's good to go with no more suspensions.
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