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  • Paul's ownership wasn't ego driven, why it was so successful versus say a Snyder or a Jones and Behring.


    But he got the rewards from it and stayed humble, Loved by the Fans, his staff's and people he hired, Lynch's post screams the kind of respect he had from everyone.

    I would also say that just because he was 65 and had Cancer does not mean he had all the I's dotted and T's crossed as far as a Will, I would imagine a large amount is going to be donated to his business enterprises and Charities, I am sure his sister is very close to him or she would not have all the responsibilities she has already, but her interests are not Paul's wholly, she is her own person.

    Look at the Saints mess, the Rams mess with Georgia, Titans, things are still being sorted out in some of those areas. All those people that owned those teams were rich and prosperous, sometimes you feel why a will I am going to beat this since I beat it before also.

    I am sure there is a successor plan in place for a lot of his interests, Sports teams are a bit different due to the visibility as well as the League meetings that require ownership votes as well.


    Someone will have to be named at least interim representation.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    I would also say that just because he was 65 and had Cancer does not mean he had all the I's dotted and T's crossed as far as a Will.


    Allen had been dealing with this cancer since his 30's, so believe me he had all his long range planning done years and years ago with his various business interests, including the Hawks.

    In fact, after Allen's cancer came back it's probably what facilitated McLoughlin leaving the Hawks in September and longtime COO Arnold being promoted to team president of operations for the Hawks and First and Goal..........as well as McGowan being named President of Vulcan Sports, which overseas both the Hawks and Trailblazers.

    These are both VERY longtime NW people firmly entrenched in our area that Allen complicitly entrusts.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    I would also say that just because he was 65 and had Cancer does not mean he had all the I's dotted and T's crossed as far as a Will.


    Allen had been dealing with this cancer since his 30's, so believe me he had all his long range planning done years and years ago with his various business interests, including the Hawks.

    In fact, after Allen's cancer came back it's probably what facilitated McLoughlin leaving the Hawks in September and longtime COO Arnold being promoted to team president of operations for the Hawks and First and Goal..........as well as McGowan being named President of Vulcan Sports, which overseas both the Hawks and Trailblazers.

    These are both VERY longtime NW people firmly entrenched in our area that Allen complicitly entrusts.



    Cool but as I said, all it takes is one oops in a situation such as his with his wealth and the Vultures start to circle.


    You never concede to a disease if you want to win the battle, I hope it is nothing and we can have a great memory and his legacy remains what it is without a messy legal situation concerning his assets.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    I would also say that just because he was 65 and had Cancer does not mean he had all the I's dotted and T's crossed as far as a Will.


    Allen had been dealing with this cancer since his 30's, so believe me he had all his long range planning done years and years ago with his various business interests, including the Hawks.

    In fact, after Allen's cancer came back it's probably what facilitated McLoughlin leaving the Hawks in September and longtime COO Arnold being promoted to team president of operations for the Hawks and First and Goal..........as well as McGowan being named President of Vulcan Sports, which overseas both the Hawks and Trailblazers.

    These are both VERY longtime NW people firmly entrenched in our area that Allen complicitly entrusts.



    Cool but as I said, all it takes is one oops in a situation such as his with his wealth and the Vultures start to circle.


    You never concede to a disease if you want to win the battle, I hope it is nothing and we can have a great memory and his legacy remains what it is without a messy legal situation concerning his assets.


    Oh I'm always worried with new owners, but I have no worry whatsoever that Allen didn't have his affairs in order as you were alluding to.

    He's been putting them in order for most of his adult life unfortunately.
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  • My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.

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  • toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.

    Is that fear actually based on anything? Or are you just letting scenarios kinda run wild in your mind?
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  • toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.


    Behring lied to the Nordstroms, he made the team a laughing stock to move them to LA, I remember when it first happened the question was raised and the Nordstroms said he was committed to Seattle.

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  • BlueTalon wrote:
    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.

    Is that fear actually based on anything? Or are you just letting scenarios kinda run wild in your mind?


    Just my experience with the 9ers.

    Eddie's sister became the owner of 9ers after Eddie got into casino troubles. Sister Denise asked her husband John York to run the team. First thing John did was to cut expenses, from banning bottled water to every penny he could pinch, then got cute with football, let Bill Walsh, then as GM go, got ride of Mooch with his "own hire" Dennis Eriksen, but Dennis wasn't allowed to hire his own assist coaches; then flipped Dennis to Mike "man with a plan" Nolan; to Mike "can motivate" Singletary; to Jim "insist on meeting York at 5am" Harbaugh; to Jim Tomsula; to Chip Kelly; to Lynch/Shanny. All those coaches in 15 years with three winning season; in Eddie's era, almost 20 continuous winning seasons and five rings.

    In short, 9ers' ownership changed from Eddie to his sister then experienced 3 winning seasons out of 15 with non stop dramas. Not saying we will have the same nasty experience, but we had it good with Paul, just hope nothing will change.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.


    Behring lied to the Nordstroms, he made the team a laughing stock to move them to LA, I remember when it first happened the question was raised and the Nordstroms said he was committed to Seattle.

    L.A Blackhawks was what they were going to be called, after his Real Estate Investment company.


    That's my point, that was on them for trusting a used car salesman to keep his word.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the lease at CenturyLink make it very hard to move the Seahawks? Teams such as the Rams, and Chargers moved because they were playing in old and run down stadiums that had their leases expiring. CenturyLink field still has a 14 years left on that lease deal.

    Anyhow, here is an interesting article in the post that explains what Paul Allens contingencies may be. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/w ... 471a65f8b9
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  • Worrying times, no one has any idea if Allens sister would be a good owner, if the team will be in a trust like the mariners or be sold on. Looking at the 9ers and Broncos I worry about a family member being an owner since they weren't the ones that have the business nouse that made the original person successful.

    Allen was the perfect owner, hands off and deep deep pockets.

    I'm just relieved the Clink is state of the art or I imagine we'd be linked with moving to San Diego or St Louis.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:What about Howard Schultz?

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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Steve Ballmer would be my ideal choice. He’s the wealthiest owner in all four major American sports with a $38.7 billion net worth. He tried his damndest to keep the Sonics in Seattle and even pushed for relocating the Kings to Seattle before ultimately agreeing to purchase the Clippers and to keep them in L.A. (where they will perpetually play second fiddle to the Lakers). Beyond his wealth and philanthropy, Ballmer is just a great guy and an incredibly passionate sports fan. I couldn’t imagine a more ideal successor to Paul.

    But I’m not convinced that Paul’s family will decide to sell. The Seahawks are one of his greatest legacies. If they did decide to sell, I trust they would find someone of great character to carry the mantle of everything Paul stood for and meant for this city.

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  • Man it was a gut punch to hear that Paul Allen passed. I get this is a seahawks forum, but as a born and raised old fart from Kirkland and working in the construction industry, I have seen, worked on and worked along side people that Paul Allen employed for the benefit of mankind. Paul made a point of doing this in Seattle, his home town.

    My dad called me yesterday when the news broke, I didn't have time to take the call but listened to his VM on the way home. He was almost in tears. My dad has lived in Kirkland since 1965 and never gets emotional other than pissed off, he was genuinely upset about Paul's passing.

    I take the high road, and say he should be honored for the pillar of community he was in Seattle and the surrounding communities and we should all be proud to say he was one of ours.

    That being said, it will not be in the teams best interest if Jodi takes it over. You can use google to find out more about her, she is not Paul Allen and the team would be in better off in hands not of hers.

    Vulcan Real estate Development is the real concern for me and my occupation.

    I would love to see the Nordstroms or McCaw family by the team. Balmer would be great as well, but the old school money in this town taking ownership would be a seamless transition.
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  • I think that Jody is going to take on the Hawks. She has three children and could potentially keep the team within the family.
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  • GLio14 wrote:I think that Jody is going to take on the Hawks. She has three children and could potentially keep the team within the family.



    With what money?
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
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    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the lease at CenturyLink make it very hard to move the Seahawks? Teams such as the Rams, and Chargers moved because they were playing in old and run down stadiums that had their leases expiring. CenturyLink field still has a 14 years left on that lease deal.

    Anyhow, here is an interesting article in the post that explains what Paul Allens contingencies may be. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/w ... 471a65f8b9


    Didn't stop other owners, they say sue me and then drag it out. Look at the Sonics, at all costs and a loop hole to move them. You need a politicians that go for blood also, I hated Christine Gregoire, but she was one person you didn't piss off and Behring pissed her off big time, she used every string to get things done.
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  • irocdave wrote:What if....Phil Knight stepped up?


    Yeah then we could sign Kapernick

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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
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    toffee wrote:My fear is the now unavoidable new ownership will want to put their "own people" in to run the team, that would mean the end of Pete and John.


    If it's his sister Jody, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

    If she sells? Then maybe it's time to worry, I just hope if it comes to that now or in the future that Allen put safeguards in place that the team has to remain in Seattle.

    Too many idiots like the Nordstroms and Schultz put blind trust in outside of the NW owners coming in here telling the truth about how much they love Seattle and would never move the team.

    IMO no Seattle owner should EVER sell to another person or group outside the Seattle area.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the lease at CenturyLink make it very hard to move the Seahawks? Teams such as the Rams, and Chargers moved because they were playing in old and run down stadiums that had their leases expiring. CenturyLink field still has a 14 years left on that lease deal.

    Anyhow, here is an interesting article in the post that explains what Paul Allens contingencies may be. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/w ... 471a65f8b9


    It does, as do most sports lease building agreements.........and since Allen and First and Ten actually have a commercial interest/ownership in Century Link, why would the new owner ever want to go elsewhere?

    To me this is a non starter, the Hawks aren't going anywhere. It makes zero sense from the team side, and it makes zero sense from the league side. The league would never vote for the Hawks to go elsewhere and leave the #14 TV and giant geographical market in the country.
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  • xray wrote:Bill Gates would make sense to buy the Hawks. A buyout by a group would be a disaster . Too many cooks spoil the broth.


    The NFL doesn't like group buy outs.

    They prefer families or a single individual who has all the capital.
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    xray wrote:Bill Gates would make sense to buy the Hawks. A buyout by a group would be a disaster . Too many cooks spoil the broth.


    The NFL doesn't like group buy outs.

    They prefer families or a single individual who has all the capital.


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  • It was reported that a contingent of buying the Hawks should he ever pass was that they or no other owner that ever had the team could move them so that part is a done deal and off of the table for now
    Beyond that It would be anybody's guess but mine is Jody inherits some financial ability from Paul and continues to let Vulcan operate the team which in the end would probably make Paul the happiest in the long run looking down from above

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  • It was reported that a contingent of buying the Hawks should he ever pass was that they or no other owner that ever had the team could move them so that part is a done deal and off of the table for now
    Beyond that It would be anybody's guess but mine is Jody inherits some financial ability from Paul and continues to let Vulcan operate the team which in the end would probably make Paul the happiest in the long run looking down from above

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    No way they leave Seattle. The NFL has taken some PR hits lately, to let them leave would be another one. NFL owners already saying they will stay regardless.
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  • I can't even begin to imagine the estate tax implications of this death. It's possible that many assets will need be liquidated purely to meet tax requirements. I have no doubt that state, local, and federal tax representatives will be descending down on Seattle like rabid wolves.

    (I'm not a tax attorney, just thinking aloud)
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    I referenced it indirectly here, but you would have had to read the first page.

    One person I absolutely do not want to own us is Howard Schultz, all I can think about is the Oklahoma Gunslingers in 3 years. Steve Ballmer would not be a bad thought if he is a fan, would be much like Paul owning a NBA team and the Seahawks, he may not be as hands off as Paul was however.
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  • As Sgt spoke on earlier in the thread, my concern is not if the Seahawks will be sold to a new owner who will move the team. There's too many reasons to list why that is not going to happen. The concern of course is what will the franchise look like under a new owner? We were spoiled rotten with Paul Allen as our beloved owner. Anyone - regardless of who they are - will fall short of his shoes.

    We just hope he/she or they will do their very best to continue the tradition Paul built.
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  • In a secret codicil yet to be revealed Allen willed the Seahawks to Russell Wilson. Wilson becomes the first black majority owner in the NFL. The locker room, the office, and the league, are split on whether or not he is black enough. They all agree he is too short to be a majority NFL owner though.
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  • It's common gossip that his sister has said long before he died she was not interested in the job. My intuition tells me that that Paul Allen made arrangements for his sports team investments.....DUH....but remember a new broom sweeps clean when and not if the Seahawks...sell...Does anybody know ; is any foreign country eligible to buy a NFL team ? Anybody know ? Let us know.
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  • xray wrote:It's common gossip that his sister has said long before he died she was not interested in the job. My intuition tells me that that Paul Allen made arrangements for his sports team investments.....DUH....but remember a new broom sweeps clean when and not if the Seahawks...sell...Does anybody know ; is any foreign country eligible to buy a NFL team ? Anybody know ? Let us know.



    I don't think it has been broached before, however with the way New owners want to move a team the NFL would be stupid to allow a foreign person to buy a NFL team and possibly create a hostage situation of a team.


    It was bad enough with Behring, can you imagine a team loaded up to go to China or Moscow? Extreme example but possible.
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  • I just hope the Seahawks don't get sold to a group of investors that only care about consistent profit, whether the team wins or loses (Mariners style).
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  • minormillikin wrote:I just hope the Seahawks don't get sold to a group of investors that only care about consistent profit, whether the team wins or loses (Mariners style).



    This is by far the largest, and most realistic problem we're facing... We need an owner that wants to win more than safely maximize profits.
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  • Love Paul, best owner!! Looking forward, all kind of news:

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    Report: Paul Allen's sister, Jody, may look to retain Seahawks
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    Allen is survived by his sister, Jody. A Vulcan source told me shortly after the announcement of Allen's death: "Jody does not enjoy the Trail Blazers." She's a Seahawks fan and is a good bet to emerge as a more visible presence in his NFL organization. Nobody who knows her thinks she'd be interested in wanting to run an NBA franchise on a daily basis.

    Not quite sure why Jody needs to look to retain Hawks since Vulcan already owns it outright and now she owns and runs Vulcan? Jody was but isn't the CEO of Vulcan, does she has Vulcan's controlling shares?

    Jody unsure:
    Future of Paul Allen’s sports holdings remains unclear
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 9fb76dfb8e

    Jody sells it:
    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/18/seatt ... ry-ellison
    Allen never married and had no children. His younger sister, Jody Allen, reportedly does not have interest in running either the Seahawks or the NBA’s Portland Trail Blazers, both owned by her brother, but she has not shared her wishes publicly. If the Seahawks are put up for sale, criteria No. 1 for potential buyers is having the requisite funds, which given the Panthers’ $2.3 billion price tag earlier this year, includes a small pool of individuals. A new controlling owner would have to hold at least 30 percent of the club’s equity. A second criteria may be identifying a buyer who would want to keep the team in Seattle.


    So basically all speculations. Paul has an estate of 26 billions, Hawks has a market value about $2.3 or so billions. So Hawks amounts to 10% of Paul's total estate. Paul has do kids, but Jody has two sons in their 20s, oldest son 29 yo, may be the young man would like to own and run the Hawks? A bit about Jody our most likely new owner:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Allen

    She likes art and was a producer of movies:
    http://www.vulcanproductions.com/ajax/p ... lor=orange
    serving as president of Vulcan Productions, which produces documentaries of enduring significance and independent feature films. Ms. Allen co-produced the PBS series Martin Scorsese Presents The Blues, as well as the independent feature films, Far from Heaven and Hard Candy.


    She was CEO of Vulcan:
    took a sabbatical in 2014 but never returned.
    https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blo ... versy.html
    The move comes amid controversy.The Seattle Times reported that Vulcan has faced controversy, and saw some high-level employees leave. Some of Paul and Jody Allen's former bodyguards sued amid reports that Jody Allen sexually harassed security officers.

    In a Business Journal profile this spring Allen, was described as "a big thinker" and "a risk taker." She talked about Vulcan undertaking the first-of-its-kind elephant census in sub-Saharan Africa and other initiatives she is working on, including the education of girls and climate change.

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  • Steve Ballmer would be my first choice, but I have no idea if he has any interest at all in the NFL. He would be on a lesser status of hero than Paul was, but a hero nonetheless... He's originally from Detroit, but he's a Seattle guy now. If not him, I think it would be cool if Gates or Bezos took the savior role. Deep pockets, and would probably have little interest in sticking their nose where it doesn't belong... Like operating an NFL team. Just hire good people, and get the hell out of the way... Like Paul. Gates would be the coolest story. Like doing his buddy a solid and furthering his legacy... Sigh. I can dream anyways.
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  • I heard that the new owner will be randomly drawn from people on the season ticket waiting list.

    Where did I hear this? Right here in my living room, when I said it out loud after completely making it up.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:
    GLio14 wrote:I think that Jody is going to take on the Hawks. She has three children and could potentially keep the team within the family.



    With what money?



    The 20+ billion dollars that she most likely inherits from her brothers estate?
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  • oldhawkfan wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:
    GLio14 wrote:I think that Jody is going to take on the Hawks. She has three children and could potentially keep the team within the family.



    With what money?



    The 20+ billion dollars that she most likely inherits from her brothers estate?


    Well, we'll see how much she actually comes away with after the smoke clears... And the lawyers are done doing what they do. I have a feeling Paul had this all laid out pretty well in advance after going through this disease a time or two.
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  • Any chance the Seahawks relocate?
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  • Hawker8989 wrote:Any chance the Seahawks relocate?


    Chance? Yeah.

    Likely? No.

    Let's hope it stays that way.

    Paul Allen was a great owner. He was efficient, demanding (but not in a Jerry Jones me-me-me kind of way) patient, and ultimately and perhaps most importantly, devoted to the Seattle community.

    I'm still ticked about the Sonics being sold and shipped.

    That happening to the Seahawks?

    Nooooooo

    We have that stadium linked directly to the Hawks, though. That'll help keep them here. It's a profitable enterprise with a devoted fan base. This is where they will always belong.

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  • Steve Ballmer would be my #1 hope for a new owner.

    Please no Jeff Bezos. Let him keep his attention on the Washington ComPost.
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  • I doubt Jody Allen sells the Seahawks no reason to it's a cash cow. The Trailblazers are a different matter I could see her selling them . That's if she's in a position to do so.
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