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New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:38 am
  • After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.

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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:40 am
  • toffee wrote:After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.


    Why a 4th for the Cowboys but a 2nd for the Chiefs? If anything, the Cowboys should pay more as they have the higher likelihood of getting him to sign a long term contract.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:40 am
  • toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st


    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 am
  • kidhawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.


    Why a 4th for the Cowboys but a 2nd for the Chiefs? If anything, the Cowboys should pay more as they have the higher likelihood of getting him to sign a long term contract.



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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:48 am
  • We all know how Jerry so desperately wants his team to be relevant, and I would be willing to bet that JS jumps at the chance if given to fleece him.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:51 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st


    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?


    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.

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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:55 am
  • Why do we want so desperately to trade Earl. I agree that we can't just give in to his demands to be the highest paid safety in football. But we can offer him a solid top 5 contract for 3 years and if he says no, tell him to expect a franchise tag.

    Dude has been well compensated to play for us the last 8 years including his pre-rookie cap rookie contract. He should be happy to take a top 5 contract in his senior years.

    Teams shouldn't just easily cave into players wishes to be traded. Earl is too good a player to just give away because he wants more than you (or potentially anyone else) wants to pay.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:58 am
  • toffee wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st


    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?


    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.


    No....he really doesn't. Earl is one of possibly 2 they actually did well enough for "first round grade" on. They have missed on far more than they've hit.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:05 am
  • irfuben32 wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.


    Why a 4th for the Cowboys but a 2nd for the Chiefs? If anything, the Cowboys should pay more as they have the higher likelihood of getting him to sign a long term contract.



    The Chiefs will be picking much later in the round than the Boys


    Not 2 rounds later
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:09 am
  • No the price tag is exactly the same, because we've never wavered on Earl's value.

    He's one of the top 2, if not the best free safety in the league, and that equals a 1st rounder. It's the other team(s) that keep trying to lowball us.

    It's a fair price, but IMO that's not what's keeping the Cowboys and other teams from trading for Earl. It's his extension demands. No one's giving up a 1st rounder for a one year rent-a-player, it's to sign him long term.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:10 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    toffee wrote:
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    toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st


    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?


    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.


    No....he really doesn't. Earl is one of possibly 2 they actually did well enough for "first round grade" on. They have missed on far more than they've hit.


    I believe it was the last time we didn't trade down in the 1st. Isn't that amazing?
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:12 am
  • kidhawk wrote:
    irfuben32 wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.


    Why a 4th for the Cowboys but a 2nd for the Chiefs? If anything, the Cowboys should pay more as they have the higher likelihood of getting him to sign a long term contract.



    The Chiefs will be picking much later in the round than the Boys


    Not 2 rounds later


    An early first is way more valuable than a late first so what’s being suggested is that and early first and early fourth is equal value to a late first and late 2nd round pick...
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:13 am
  • toffee wrote:After 3 great games and after teams' need for safety were exposed. We have at least two teams bidding for Earl now, the Chiefs and Cowboys. In the world of demand and supply .... and in view of what Bears paid for Mak, I would say the new price tag is a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder, for Cowboys, or a 1st plus a 2nd for the Chiefs.

    We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny, but we sure could convert that first into a few lower rounders.


    Earl's value to the Seahawks is much greater than what will be gained by trading him. Unless Dallas or Chiefs offer 2 or 3 first round picks. I still find Chiefs interest a bit puzzling....they have Eric Berry. They surely can't have two high priced guys at the same position. Unless they plan to get rid Berry...it doesn't make any sense.

    Why single out Penny? Ifedi, Harvin, and McDowell are much worse and probably more suitable examples of poor decisions.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:18 am
  • toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny....


    Really? Dude has been dealing with a surgically-repaired finger. Give him a bit of slack and we can judge him after the season.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:23 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    Earl's value to the Seahawks is much greater than what will be gained by trading him. Unless Dallas or Chiefs offer 2 or 3 first round picks. I still find Chiefs interest a bit puzzling....they have Eric Berry They surely can't have two high priced guys at the same position. Unless they plan to get rid Berry...it doesn't make any sense..


    Sure they can, we did with Kam and Earl................and Berry's cap hit goes way down after this year, still 14M dead cap in 2019, but they certainly could keep Earl and cut him if they think his injury is going to affect his production going forward.

    Bottom line for the Chiefs is they are rolling and think they can win it all this year, so if their FO thinks Earl can help them? They most certainly are considering pulling the trigger on trading for him.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:39 am
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    toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st, see Penny....


    Really? Dude has been dealing with a surgically-repaired finger. Give him a bit of slack and we can judge him after the season.


    Yeah, no kidding! It's not his fault he has had no training camp or practice, and that he hasn't gotten any running plays. This is the first game we had any number of running plays, and people are ready to call him a bust. Did our offensive line become great all of a sudden so it's all on Penny?

    Revisionist history. Just because Carson had a great game yesterday, doesn't mean we knew he was going to be able to play last spring. We drafted Penny in the 1st round because we needed a running back. Carson was coming off an injury and we hadn't had a 100 yard rusher in a year or two.

    Give the guy a chance.

    And Earl is shooting himself in the foot. Who's going to pay him a lot of money when he's announcing that he's sitting out of practice for any excuse he can make up to "protect himself."

    Then he bowed to the Dallas' sideline getting a 15 yard penalty. And if Ezekial Elliot hadn't of stepped out of bounds, Earl would have given up an easy "Torchdown." ET got lucky on that one.

    And I've seen plays where it looks like he's out of position, trying to make big plays to boost his perceived value. I wonder if he's freelancing?
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:42 am
  • toffee wrote:
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    toffee wrote:We don't draft well in 1st


    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?


    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.


    Well they haven't turned out well, but dropping from the level of talent available in the mid 1st down to the fifth round is not the answer. We need difference makers and it remains true that they're found more often in the 1st.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:52 am
  • First round picks are a matter of luck.

    Do all the research you can.
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    You win some, you lose some.
    Look at the history of #1 overall picks, look at the history of first rounders in general.

    I don’t think we are necessarily bad at picking in the first round, I just don’t think we hit “all cherries” when we pulled the lever.

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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:54 am
  • Price went up from 1st and a 3rd, to a 1st and a 3rd + Cole Beasley 8)
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:57 am
  • Clayton just said both of Atlanta’s safety’s are down. JS, Dan Quinn on line 1.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:01 am
  • Tinymac2 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    toffee wrote:
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    Wasn't Earl a first rounder?


    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.


    No....he really doesn't. Earl is one of possibly 2 they actually did well enough for "first round grade" on. They have missed on far more than they've hit.


    I believe it was the last time we didn't trade down in the 1st. Isn't that amazing?


    No. Carpenter, Irvin, Ifedi and Penny are all first rounders that Pete has selected since Earl and Brokung in 2010. I'd be tempted to throw McDowell in there too since he was a high 2nd (35th) but I didn't.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:05 am
  • The price tag is what someone is willing to give up. So, let the bidding begin.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:05 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    Tinymac2 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
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    You got me Sir. I meant to say we haven't drafted well lately.


    No....he really doesn't. Earl is one of possibly 2 they actually did well enough for "first round grade" on. They have missed on far more than they've hit.


    I believe it was the last time we didn't trade down in the 1st. Isn't that amazing?


    No. Carpenter, Irvin, Ifedi and Penny are all first rounders that Pete has selected since Earl and Brokung in 2010. I'd be tempted to throw McDowell in there too since he was a high 2nd but I didn't.



    Carpenter was not a bust, he did well away from Cable in NY, Irvin not a bust either may not have provided 1st round numbers but once they found his roll did well and is doing well for Oakland, Ifedi we are still on the fence with, has shown for squat mostly but has in recent games shown improvement as well, Penny 3 games in and coming off a hand injury and little of no camp, I will let it ride for a while, he also needs touches since he isn't a third down guy as much as a every down back.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:10 am
  • I would say a 2nd to 5th rd and maybe a combo of those picks. Atlanta needs a safety with allen going down but I doubt they offer much. Gettingearl is one thing but keeping him happy with the money he wants is the main issue as another team could see him as aging injury risk rental for one year. I also think his selfish attitude is hurting any trade chances. Let's not forget Reid is out there and no one wants him which would only be a cheap 1 year probe it deal. The only one here that think Earl is worth what he thinks is Earl and the Earl lovers around here.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:13 am
  • Shoot, it only takes one team to "overpay"
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:36 am
  • My first choice would be the Chiefs. They are in AFC and Andy handled TO.


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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:30 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Shoot, it only takes one team to "overpay"


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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:42 pm
  • toffee wrote:My first choice would be the Chiefs. They are in AFC and Andy handled TO.


    I want whatever team would have the highest draft pick, which would probably be the Cowboys. Chiefs might go all the way, or at least go deep into the playoffs.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:47 pm
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    toffee wrote:My first choice would be the Chiefs. They are in AFC and Andy handled TO.


    I want whatever team would have the highest draft pick, which would probably be the Cowboys. Chiefs might go all the way, or at least go deep into the playoffs.


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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:55 pm
  • I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm
  • Ambrose83 wrote:I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?


    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:24 pm
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    Ambrose83 wrote:I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?


    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.


    Without googling...It's Malcolm Jenkins (Wears #27 on his jersey).
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:35 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
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    Ambrose83 wrote:I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?


    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.


    Without googling...It's Malcolm Jenkins (Wears #27 on his jersey).


    it's actually Rodney McCloud. Jenkins is the strong safety.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:38 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    Ambrose83 wrote:I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?


    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.


    Without googling...It's Malcolm Jenkins (Wears #27 on his jersey).


    it's actually Rodney McCloud. Jenkins is the strong safety.


    Ahhh...ok.

    I bet most NFL fans, if asked, would know who Earl Thomas is. McCloud isn't even a top 10 safety. Not sure what the point you're trying to make here is. It's like asking who the backup for the Chicago Bears is?
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:44 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
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    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.


    Without googling...It's Malcolm Jenkins (Wears #27 on his jersey).


    it's actually Rodney McCloud. Jenkins is the strong safety.


    I bet most NFL fans, if asked, would know who Earl Thomas is. McCloud isn't even a top 10 safety.


    Right, thus the low value put on safeties in an offense driven league. You don't need to give up a bunch of first round picks to get Earl Thomas to win a SB............AND have to pay him 40M guaranteed.

    Also why he's still playing here.

    You asked the question, I answered. Earl's a great player, but between the low value of safeties and his extension demands, you ain't getting multiple first rounders for him. Not to mention his age and injury history.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:46 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Ambrose83 wrote:I just don't understand the value on draft picks ? How is the best safety in the league worth just a first round pick ? One is proven and one is a guest at best....... Do any of you think,the team gets better losing earl and drafting someone next year ?


    Because he plays in an undervalued position.

    - QB
    - LT
    - DE

    Those are the top three most valued positions, thus why the Raiders get two first rounders for Mack, and we might not even get a 1st rounder for Earl.

    It's like any business, supply and demand. The demand and need for great QB's, LT's and DE's is far greater than the demand for safeties, which most teams can get by with just good, and don't need great to win.

    Can you name the starting free safety for the Eagles without Googling him? Didn't think so.

    So the guy that had two picks yesterday was undervalued , hof safeties are in the draft every year
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:47 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:
    Without googling...It's Malcolm Jenkins (Wears #27 on his jersey).


    it's actually Rodney McCloud. Jenkins is the strong safety.


    I bet most NFL fans, if asked, would know who Earl Thomas is. McCloud isn't even a top 10 safety.


    Right, thus the low value put on safeties in an offense driven league. You don't need to give up a bunch of first round picks to get Earl Thomas to win a SB............AND have to pay him 40M guaranteed.

    Also why he's still playing here.

    You asked the question, I answered. Earl's a great player, but between the low value of safeties and his extension demands, you ain't getting multiple first rounders for him. Not to mention his age and injury history.


    No I didn't. Ambrose83 did. Your answer is an opinion about the position being low value. You're not getting multiple first rounders for Tom Brady either and he plays a highly valued position. I don't believe anyone on here thinks they will get multiple first round picks for ET. I believe they could get multiple picks for him and one of those could be a 1st round pick.
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Re: New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:51 pm
  • hawksincebirth wrote:So the guy that had two picks yesterday was undervalued , hof safeties are in the draft every year


    His position is undervalued, and in fact the most undervalued it's ever been. The safety market is at rock bottom right now.

    It's why Earl' still here, no one wants to give up a first rounder (or more) and have to pay him 40M guaranteed for the next 4-5 years........and it's why we don't want to pay him either.
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New price tag for Earl
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:08 pm
  • Think positive guys, send good chi to Jerry, Andy and Quinn, may one of them sacrifice a 1st plus a mid rounder for our Earl.

    My worse nightmare is for John to get all sentimental and give Earl away for a 2nd plus a 5th or something.

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