Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

Hawks Called Timeout to Prevent Wilson......

The Essential Online Seattle Football Fan Forum Community. There simply is NO substitute. LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13
  • This post from Reddit got me thinking. Power struggle between Wilson and Schottenheimer?

    I posted this during the game. And it's even more true now.

    You see that shit right there? If we lose it's because of that.

    Russ has said "screw it", and is checking out of whatever Brian Shottenheimer has called, and instead is audibling to what he wants to run. Brian didn't like that and just called a timeout to get him to run the called play.

    Did anyone else catch that?

    That's the issue here. When Russ runs the offense we drive down the field, but Pete and Brian Shot want him to play their style. Even though it sucked for 3 quarters.

    And Russ was pissed. You never see that happen.

    And what happened? They come out of the timeout, and and they're back to a shitty I-formation run for 1yard. Exactly what Shottenheimer wanted.

    After that moment, Russ lost all of his flow and never got things back. Threw the pick the following play after their Iso run, and then next drive the fumble. He was in the zone running the offense, but Shottenheimer wanted control and wanted him to run his plays. This does not look like a healthy sign for the season.


    The video

    Last edited by SkyHawks16 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
    SkyHawks16
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 99
    Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:04 pm



  • Also saw a tv cut to Pete screaming to either a Ref or Russ. Looked like Russ audibled out of the play and Pete was livid.
    FloridaSeahawk18
    NET Bench Warmer
     
    Posts: 28
    Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:41 pm


  • FloridaSeahawk18 wrote:Also saw a tv cut to Pete screaming to either a Ref or Russ. Looked like Russ audibled out of the play and Pete was livid.

    I have no problem blaming Wilson, but it seems Pete and Scotty are really holding him back. That play-calling was autricious.
    SkyHawks16
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 99
    Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:04 pm


  • I did not notice it and cannot tak about what preceded the play.

    However the play itself was on the Qb. That is a timing route to be thrown PRIOR TO THE RECEIVER TURNING AROUND.
    mikeak
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7438
    Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:24 pm
    Location: Anchorage, AK


  • They needed a timeout to come up with the brilliant empty set on 2nd down.
    User avatar
    hawknation2018
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2926
    Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:04 pm


  • Yep, I noticed that right away as well. Something is going on, and it's killing this team. Russ is playing like trash, but is that on him, or the coaching staff. It's hard to tell. All we know is what we see.

    hawknation2018 wrote:They needed a timeout to come up with the brilliant empty set on 2nd down.
    Dude. How lame was that crap? At least keep them honest. Keep them on their toes. This offense is a joke.
    User avatar
    Thepeelsessions
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1440
    Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:05 am
    Location: Out here


  • Maybe instead of the baseless conspiracy theory they were just pissed because of how poorly things were going on offense.
    User avatar
    AgentDib
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3569
    Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:08 pm
    Location: Seattle


  • Thepeelsessions wrote:Yep, I noticed that right away as well. Something is going on, and it's killing this team. Russ is playing like trash, but is that on him, or the coaching staff. It's hard to tell. All we know is what we see.

    hawknation2018 wrote:They needed a timeout to come up with the brilliant empty set on 2nd down.
    Dude. How lame was that crap? At least keep them honest. Keep them on their toes. This offense is a joke.


    Empty sets are not anathema to good offense. We sucked out of them tonight. We sucked in general on offense.
    adeltaY
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3281
    Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:22 pm
    Location: Portland, OR


  • Look like penny was confuse so coaching staff called a timeout. Wilson seem frustrated w penny. Lost a lot of momentum on that time out.

    They still had 10sec left, didnt need a timeout there.
    User avatar
    rcaido
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 674
    Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:47 pm


  • Yeah, a timeout to come up with THAT??!!
    You'd think as much as Wilson stared down Penny on the pick 6 that he would have seen the CB lurking. Penny as a WR also could have realized he needed to screen out the CB and come to the ball

    Russell has looked really sour-faced and unhappy in many of the shots the TV producers have shown the first couple weeks.
    2018 Adopt-A-Rookie: Rashaad Penny
    2018 BounceBack Bet: C.J. Prosise
    User avatar
    olyfan63
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2162
    Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:03 am


  • I would pay good money to see Wilson flip off Pete like Lynch did with Bevell.

    That might make watching the offense worth it.
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3359
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


  • Thepeelsessions wrote:Yep, I noticed that right away as well. Something is going on, and it's killing this team. Russ is playing like trash, but is that on him, or the coaching staff. It's hard to tell. All we know is what we see.

    hawknation2018 wrote:They needed a timeout to come up with the brilliant empty set on 2nd down.
    Dude. How lame was that crap? At least keep them honest. Keep them on their toes. This offense is a joke.


    A slump is always on the person going through it, first and foremost. Whatever tricks they need to use to get out of that mental funk, even *gasp* admitting they're playing like horse crap and asking for all the help they can get, has to be done.

    But given the circumstances, nobody will be able to help Wilson but himself.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3333
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


  • You guys and the rest of the forum would be a lot better off including a link to what your referencing.


    ...................... volunteering links is not that hard.
    Jville
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 8008
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:49 pm


  • My wife and I noticed it right away. He was clearly mad, as he should have been.
    Play calling has been pathetic, and that's putting it mildly.
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10872
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • Jville wrote:You guys and the rest of the forum would be a lot better off including a link to what your referencing.


    ...................... volunteering links is not that hard.

    Thank you. Just edited it in my first post.
    SkyHawks16
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 99
    Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:04 pm


  • And thank you for setting a proper example toward building a better forum experience :2thumbs:
    Jville
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 8008
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:49 pm


  • It's just hard to know if the plays Wilson is checking to have good results or bad... We can say PC and Schotty ruined the flow, but if the last 5 plays Wilson checked to resulted in -5 yards, they might have had a good reason.
    “How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.”

    - Henry David Thoreau
    User avatar
    bbsplitter
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 506
    Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:39 pm


  • He was obviously mad that they called the timeout because he says I had this or something similar twice before dropping the F word so you know he was pissed. Schott is an extension of Pete which is why he was hired and they both want an outdated offensive game plan that isn't ideal for our personnel or just about anyones personnel to be honest.
    User avatar
    austinslater25
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3283
    Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:05 pm
    Location: Tri-Cities, Washington


  • I saw him take the field 99 yards at the end of the game. No give up in that team or QB.
    The timeout before the pick came at a time when they were moving the ball and ready to tie it up.
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10872
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • Soulfish,

    Did you watch Wilson's press conference?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fENnYu4_l1A

    That was the most checked out and deflated I have ever seen him.

    It was worse than after the 1st Atlanta loss (where he predicted he could go to the SB)

    In some ways it seems worse than the SB loss because at least then, as dejected as he was, he projected a belief this team could be better and would be better.


    NONE of his trademark optimism is there.

    If there was ever an indicator that Wilson no longer believes in this staff that has to be our 1st example. (2nd if you count the exchange with the timeout).
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3359
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


  • Haven't seen it yet, but I'm not surprised. He's had two pick 6's in his entire career. Likely thinks he's to blame for the loss.
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10872
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • The moment I saw our rookie RB out like a WR, I knew the ball was going to him.

    And I knew they would jump the route because nobody would believe the RB was going long.

    So if Wilson thinks it is his fault, we all knew that play was coming the moment we saw our RB at the bottom of the screen and no other RB in the backfield.

    That was not Wilson's fault at all. That play call was moronic.
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3359
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Haven't seen it yet, but I'm not surprised. He's had two pick 6's in his entire career. Likely thinks he's to blame for the loss.


    It's probably the first time he's really felt despair in aggregate. He knows he needs to do much much better but is gripping in doing it. I've had more than my fair share of those moments in the games I play. The pressure you put on yourself when you believe you can achieve so much good and fail to do so - you know that it's within reach and yet losing confidence in yourself simultaneous with there being no leeway in your game...it just spirals for a while.

    And RW doesn't have the option of walking away for a week, clearing his head, and getting some fire in his belly to get back to enjoying being out there. He's already locked in for the next few months and doesn't have a lot to look forward to. Tabula Rasa is nice to keep in mind but it's hard to hold up when you just keep borking it in bad and elementary ways.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3333
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


  • If the offensive staff doesn't have trust in the SB winning 7th year QB to audible and check while in a rhythm, there is a major issue. I really, really wish they went with a guy at OC who a) is innovative b) tailors the offense to the roster c) implements unique schemes that keep the defense off balance and d) attacks instead of lets them dictate. This whole 'feel them out' nonsense has overstayed its welcome for about 4 years now. I didn't like Bevell but this offense is a step down from what we watched last year and he at least let Russell take over when he felt he had to. So god damn vanilla, limiting reads to simplify Russell 'staying in the pocket'. I might throw up the next time the defense gets a takeaway and on first down they dial up the only play they know, a long developing play action pass that results in a sack or throwaway.

    That was also the most negative emotion I've seen Russ show before, even as mild as it might be for another fiery player. He looked almost depressed in his post game as well. Going with another yes man who has struggled to succeed every where he went and just rolls with the same, broken, exploited offensive style is defeating.
    User avatar
    mistaowen
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4493
    Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:54 pm


  • The really frustrating thing is that he checked into an offensive play that got the first down.

    They are upset that he called something different that worked?

    The people that got us 80 total yards in the 1st 3 quarters?
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3359
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


  • dynamite, boom goes the
    R.I.P. THE EDGAR, YOU WILL BE MISSED......
    User avatar
    SoulfishHawk
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10872
    Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:59 am
    Location: Sammamish, WA


  • Looks like Penny is out of position or didnt know the play both times. Christine Michael used to do that often also. Pissed off Pete and Russ then and it looks to me like its pissing off Russ now!
    SpokaneHawks
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 354
    Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:55 am


  • Is that the story they are spinning now?

    To go with the 'Carson is too tired after playing Special Teams twice' line?
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3359
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


  • mistaowen wrote:If the offensive staff doesn't have trust in the SB winning 7th year QB to audible and check while in a rhythm, there is a major issue. I really, really wish they went with a guy at OC who a) is innovative b) tailors the offense to the roster c) implements unique schemes that keep the defense off balance and d) attacks instead of lets them dictate. This whole 'feel them out' nonsense has overstayed its welcome for about 4 years now. I didn't like Bevell but this offense is a step down from what we watched last year and he at least let Russell take over when he felt he had to. So god damn vanilla, limiting reads to simplify Russell 'staying in the pocket'. I might throw up the next time the defense gets a takeaway and on first down they dial up the only play they know, a long developing play action pass that results in a sack or throwaway.

    That was also the most negative emotion I've seen Russ show before, even as mild as it might be for another fiery player. He looked almost depressed in his post game as well. Going with another yes man who has struggled to succeed every where he went and just rolls with the same, broken, exploited offensive style is defeating.

    We're never going to get that guy under Pete. Pete is running the show, Pete is calling all of the shots. Schottenheimer, and Bevell are just yes men. Pete's ego is screwing over the team.
    Spin Doctor
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2713
    Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:31 am


  • It’s sad really. But this just shows a conflict in egos. When your coaches have an ego, it’s hard for them to acknowledge when their game plan has been defeated. They blame the players instead. But when those players are executing beyond your play-calling it’s time to just own it and let your players do what they do
    User avatar
    Scorpion05
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 911
    Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:05 am


  • How does something so blatantly incorrect get so much traction? Come on guys. Russ was pissed because they called the timeout and he didn't think they needed to. And ffs don't ever click or link anything that fraud Ben Baldwin references. Dude doesn't know a thing about football.
    I'm fly
    I should be in the sky with birds
    User avatar
    Tical21
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3810
    Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:37 pm


  • Watch the RW & PC press conferences, there is some friction going on with the offense. Schot is trying to install his system with the trust the pocket, trust the system mantra and has abandoned the run game. RW goes audible or checkdown not liking the play call, personnel package, defensive front, whatever and he gets in trouble for it. Say what you want about Bevell but at least he didn't second guess Russ and hard coach him in a nationally televised game. Might be something to the Carr syndrome thing, Russ keeps saying you've got to be a warrior and you can't have fear. Every time he goes to the huddle Idefi is still his RT, the run game hasn't been established, his opinion and play are second guessed and Miller or Mack are off the chain. It's a lot, especially when you factor in possible past concussions and any team stress that may have resonated from our previous star laden defense regarding the offense. What percentage of big plays happen when Russell adlibs or leaves the pocket?, well let's take that away along with his instinct, tune & feel for the game on a play by play basis. This isn't pretty.

    The wheels have fallen off the wagon. There is no shortage of players & coaches to put the wheels back on but in doing so they find one of the axles is broken. They also find the wagons handle and one of the sideboards need fixing. Time to repair and paint the wagon until they get a new axle.

    This is our 2nd preseason, a time to look at what they have with the young guys, get through the injuries and continue to install the offense. Growing pains, hopefully we find our stride before week 6 or we'll see RW3 injured or Carred out and Hundley behind center.
    Seahawker76
    NET Practice Squad
     
    Posts: 66
    Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:09 pm




  • Near the end there it almost looks like Russell mouthing, "I had them. I had them." Like if he could just call hike right there he would've exposed the Bears and gotten a good gain, but Pete/Schotty called a Time Out and broke up the rhythm.
    User avatar
    Seahawk_Dan
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 692
    Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:12 am
    Location: Bremerton, WA


  • mistaowen wrote:If the offensive staff doesn't have trust in the SB winning 7th year QB to audible and check while in a rhythm, there is a major issue. I really, really wish they went with a guy at OC who a) is innovative b) tailors the offense to the roster c) implements unique schemes that keep the defense off balance and d) attacks instead of lets them dictate. This whole 'feel them out' nonsense has overstayed its welcome for about 4 years now. I didn't like Bevell but this offense is a step down from what we watched last year and he at least let Russell take over when he felt he had to. So god damn vanilla, limiting reads to simplify Russell 'staying in the pocket'. I might throw up the next time the defense gets a takeaway and on first down they dial up the only play they know, a long developing play action pass that results in a sack or throwaway.

    That was also the most negative emotion I've seen Russ show before, even as mild as it might be for another fiery player. He looked almost depressed in his post game as well. Going with another yes man who has struggled to succeed every where he went and just rolls with the same, broken, exploited offensive style is defeating.


    ^ This.
    kf3339
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2687
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:52 pm


  • mistaowen wrote:If the offensive staff doesn't have trust in the SB winning 7th year QB to audible and check while in a rhythm, there is a major issue. I really, really wish they went with a guy at OC who a) is innovative b) tailors the offense to the roster c) implements unique schemes that keep the defense off balance and d) attacks instead of lets them dictate. This whole 'feel them out' nonsense has overstayed its welcome for about 4 years now. I didn't like Bevell but this offense is a step down from what we watched last year and he at least let Russell take over when he felt he had to. So god damn vanilla, limiting reads to simplify Russell 'staying in the pocket'. I might throw up the next time the defense gets a takeaway and on first down they dial up the only play they know, a long developing play action pass that results in a sack or throwaway.

    That was also the most negative emotion I've seen Russ show before, even as mild as it might be for another fiery player. He looked almost depressed in his post game as well. Going with another yes man who has struggled to succeed every where he went and just rolls with the same, broken, exploited offensive style is defeating.


    At that point in the 4th Quarter, what's there to even "feel out" anymore? The game is not only well underway but almost over. Pretty sure you got the feeling in Quarter 1. Let the damn PROFESSIONAL QB do his damn job and win the game. Quit sabotaging him because he doesn't follow your stupid, simple play to the letter.
    User avatar
    Seahawk_Dan
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 692
    Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:12 am
    Location: Bremerton, WA


  • Seahawk_Dan wrote:

    Near the end there it almost looks like Russell mouthing, "I had them. I had them." Like if he could just call hike right there he would've exposed the Bears and gotten a good gain, but Pete/Schotty called a Time Out and broke up the rhythm.


    For what it is worth ........ the explanation given was .......

    Sideline calls timeout because of misalignment issue.

    "I could have fixed it. I could have fixed it" response attributed to Russell

    plus other descriptions ..... starts at 16 minutes in >>> http://sports.mynorthwest.com/521609/pete-carroll-recaps-seahawks-24-17-loss-to-bears/
    Jville
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 8008
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:49 pm


  • austinslater25 wrote:He was obviously mad that they called the timeout because he says I had this or something similar twice before dropping the F word so you know he was pissed. Schott is an extension of Pete which is why he was hired and they both want an outdated offensive game plan that isn't ideal for our personnel or just about anyones personnel to be honest.


    The team is not on the same page and it shows.
    Russell has some stats that aren't Superb? Ow! Love his balls anyways!

    SC
    User avatar
    StoneCold
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2121
    Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:29 am


  • Penny did not look prepared at all with the hurry up offense...He kept asking Russ where to be at and seem frustrated with him...Good chance Penny wont play much against the Cowboys until he learns the plays.

    I also got a feeling Carson is in the doghouse...Maybe he said something that pissed off Pete.
    User avatar
    rcaido
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 674
    Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:47 pm


  • mikeak wrote:I did not notice it and cannot tak about what preceded the play.

    However the play itself was on the Qb. That is a timing route to be thrown PRIOR TO THE RECEIVER TURNING AROUND.


    Didn't help that the ref cut him off trying to chase the DB down. I know he's part of the field, but GTFO the way!
    User avatar
    253hawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3163
    Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:36 am
    Location: PNW


  • All speculation. :roll:
    Thomas Paine: To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead
    User avatar
    Seafan
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5887
    Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:30 pm
    Location: Helotes, TX


  • Jville wrote:For what it is worth ........ the explanation given was ....... Sideline calls timeout because of misalignment issue. "I could have fixed it. I could have fixed it" response attributed to Russell

    Yep, Russell was understandably frustrated at spending a valuable timeout due to offensive mistakes. That won't stop people from seeing what they want to see.
    User avatar
    AgentDib
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3569
    Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:08 pm
    Location: Seattle


  • Russ was pissed because it was a wasted time out. This is just more manufactured drama for the sheep
    User avatar
    IrishNW
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1025
    Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:55 pm


  • I'm still annoyed that they went to an empty backfield, obvious pass play, after driving the ball up the field with a good run/pass mix.

    Why go 1-dimensional on 2nd down with so much time left? They could have run, or playaction passed, or just a regular pass... Anything but broadcasting an upcoming pass with the stupid empty set.
    User avatar
    minormillikin
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2925
    Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:32 pm
    Location: East Oly


  • Clearly Pete messed up by calling time out, however it was a bad throw by Russ. Never should have thrown it.
    ImageImageImageImageImage
    WhyDidntWeRun.jpg
    User avatar
    Crizilla
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2831
    Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:52 pm
    Location: Kirkland


  • Clearly we need a time out before we discuss this as we are obviously not aligned correctly.
    seedhawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2874
    Joined: Fri May 08, 2009 5:51 am


  • I wondered if Penny was the first option on that play. Why would you split a RB out wide against their #1 CB and throw to him as the first option? Stupid. But then, the play calling for the first 3 quarters was pretty miserable. Kind of reminiscent of when Bevell was here, which makes me think it's more about Pete controlling everything.
    Seahawks-Blazers-Mariners-Ducks
    User avatar
    cheese22
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 290
    Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:25 pm
    Location: Oregon


  • Also, when your offense hasn't scored a TD on their opening drive in 2 full years, that's just shitty game planning. Pete wants conservative play calling and counting on the defense to make the big plays but that's not what this teams strength is. Could be a long year if someone doesn't swallow their pride and give up a little control.
    Seahawks-Blazers-Mariners-Ducks
    User avatar
    cheese22
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 290
    Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:25 pm
    Location: Oregon


  • Didn't know what he was PO'd about, I assumed it was calling a TO for no good reason. I could definitely lip-read an F-bomb coming out of RWs mouth! Turned to the guy watching the game with me (a bears fan, unfortunately) and we both had a good laugh at the thought of Robot RW saying anything like that.
    User avatar
    GeekHawk
    US Navy ET Nuc
     
    Posts: 6639
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:29 pm
    Location: Orting WA, Great Northwet


  • Crizilla wrote:Clearly Pete messed up by calling time out, however it was a bad throw by Russ. Never should have thrown it.


    I thought Russ was staring him down on purpose to bate the CB. Pump and go over the top, boy was I wrong.

    Bad on the QB, but also bad on the OC.

    Look at Prince Amukamara's response to the tweet. He knew it was coming.

    User avatar
    Fade
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1968
    Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:26 am
    Location: Truth Ray


Next


It is currently Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:06 pm

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]




Information