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Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:43 am
  • Is the cause of why we are seeing what we are seeing.

    Not Pete's decision in 49
    Not the injuries
    Not all of these theories that Russell Wilson has declined and the absolutely irrelevant conversation whether or not he is elite. He needs to be elite for the seahawks, not elite compared to other QBs.

    When the trade happened, I'm sorry, but if you watched 2 minutes of the PC era then you really weren't paying attention if you gave this trade a thumbs up.

    They were built around a powerful RB and a Running QB. That all went down the drain because the identity shifted. What happened? The running game hasnt been same since.

    It eerily reminds me when in 2007 or so, Shaun Alexander forgot how to run the ball. It was very simple. They lost Hutch.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:48 am
  • It started with 49 and "sometimes compete" but this is the cement that sealed the deal I agree.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:53 am
  • Good post. Not only Unger, but losing the first round pick as well. The Percy trade was bad, but this was a colossal setback.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:53 am
  • seahawksny wrote:
    They were built around a powerful RB and a Running QB. That all went down the drain because the identity shifted. What happened? The running game hasnt been same since.


    You're leaving the most important part of the equation out of your theory, the RB.

    That's really been the issue, not Unger or Graham.........we've still failed to replace Lynch. It's been a revolving door of often injured underperforming undependable RB's since Marshawn left.

    Which I understand, it isn't easy to replace a HOF caliber durable back like Lynch was.

    THIS is what I believe Pete saw, and why he wanted to move more towards giving Russell more weapons in trading for Graham..........rather than continue to suck in the red zone and not have a RB he could depend on to carry the rock game in and game out and punch it into the endzone.

    Now he's backtracking and trying to recreate the magic with the run game, and it's blowing up in his face.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:56 am
  • The Percy trade led to the loss of Tate.

    It also gutted us of a productive 1st round pick.

    Losing Unger lost us Lynch.

    It also gutted us from a pick.

    If you recall, I had a seething hatred of the Harvin pick since Day 1 (I used to mock him all through the year while he was 'healing') and lost my ish when they traded Unger. But that was the end of the Seahawk potential dynasty and I think a lot of the players knew it too the moment Lynch left.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:57 am
  • Graham in his prime is worth what we gave up, we were just stupid to trade for a player we had no idea how to use. For most teams, that deal would have worked out great.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:59 am
  • seahawksny wrote:Is the cause of why we are seeing what we are seeing.

    Not Pete's decision in 49
    Not the injuries
    Not all of these theories that Russell Wilson has declined and the absolutely irrelevant conversation whether or not he is elite. He needs to be elite for the seahawks, not elite compared to other QBs.

    When the trade happened, I'm sorry, but if you watched 2 minutes of the PC era then you really weren't paying attention if you gave this trade a thumbs up.

    They were built around a powerful RB and a Running QB. That all went down the drain because the identity shifted. What happened? The running game hasnt been same since.

    It eerily reminds me when in 2007 or so, Shaun Alexander forgot how to run the ball. It was very simple. They lost Hutch.


    It was great trade but they didn't play to Graham strength. Unger was injury prone and i probably would have the done the trade all over again every time. Trade was a steal for the Seahawks.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:01 am
  • Point well taken but it was "The Play."
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:06 am
  • Rat wrote:Graham in his prime is worth what we gave up, we were just stupid to trade for a player we had no idea how to use. For most teams, that deal would have worked out great.


    Would have worked for most teams if they were a pass first team. Seattle was not
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:24 am
  • Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:24 am
  • To the OP, yes.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:33 am
  • Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:55 am
  • seahawksny wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working



    You can always improve...Look at the Warriros with Durant...Now this year they went and got Cousins...It was the right move to do, they just didn't execute. It would be like getting Durant and make him a post up and pound player...Kind of like Graham, they tried to make him a blocking TE. They should have just used him as a WR and got another blocking TE.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:59 am
  • rcaido wrote:
    seahawksny wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working



    You can always improve...Look at the Warriros with Durant...Now this year they went and got Cousins...It was the right move to do, they just didn't execute. It would be like getting Durant and make him a post up and pound player...Kind of like Graham, they tried to make him a blocking TE. They should have just used him as a WR and got another blocking TE.

    But did they do that? NO, they used Graham like he was Zach Miller.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:03 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
    seahawksny wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working



    You can always improve...Look at the Warriros with Durant...Now this year they went and got Cousins...It was the right move to do, they just didn't execute. It would be like getting Durant and make him a post up and pound player...Kind of like Graham, they tried to make him a blocking TE. They should have just used him as a WR and got another blocking TE.

    But did they do that? NO, they used Graham like he was Zach Miller.


    And clearly admitted they would do just that!

    Bevell was asked if they would change the offense for the addition of Graham and his reply was "we will do what we do, he will fit right in here".

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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:05 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
    seahawksny wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working



    You can always improve...Look at the Warriros with Durant...Now this year they went and got Cousins...It was the right move to do, they just didn't execute. It would be like getting Durant and make him a post up and pound player...Kind of like Graham, they tried to make him a blocking TE. They should have just used him as a WR and got another blocking TE.

    But did they do that? NO, they used Graham like he was Zach Miller.


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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:07 pm
  • seahawksny wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Couple things..

    I hate to bring up old stuff like this, but I really hated that trade. My distaste for that trade bout got me run out of here at the time. Neither our running game, nor our edge, were ever going to be the same with JImmy Graham as our TE. Lynch wouldn't have been successful. Then the injury happened. He hasn't been half as good of an athlete as he was previously since that injury. If you watch Jimmy run in NO and then try to run post-injury, it looks like a completely different player. And we dont throw to TE's anyways. And I could go on and on and on.



    To this day, it boggles my mind. Why mess with what was working


    We had one of the worst red zone offenses in the league at the time of the trade. Marshawn was on the downhill slide, and we had a bunch of tiny receivers getting smothered in the red zone unable to get open.

    So Pete and John tried to fix that problem by trading for arguably the best red zone player in the league.

    So no, that part of our offense wasn't working, so we traded a center who missed a bunch of games in return for a fantastic red zone target playmaker.

    It was a risky trade for sure, but IMO it's pretty far down the list of why this team started to lose it's championship caliber roster. In the NFL you need to be continually restocking your roster with quality talent, and THAT'S where the wheels came off.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:07 pm
  • I want to clarify my post where I said it was "The Play."

    Right up until that very moment, the Seahawk's players felt that it was THEIR team, after that, they knew it wasn't.

    It was more than just the different players or even the physical play, they were demoralized.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:38 pm
  • What is that saying?Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond. Ya the play happened but how team responded is sad.It showed lack of character and leadership of those who let it tear the team apart.

    The team got picked apart by free agency, injuries, and age.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:47 pm
  • justafan wrote:What is that saying?Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond. Ya the play happened but how team responded is sad.It showed lack of character and leadership of those who let it tear the team apart.

    The team got picked apart by free agency, injuries, and age.


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    That said, would you really love serving on a ship where the captain and first officer seem to pretend rocks don't exist?

    Damnit, now I just want to make pirate analogies from here on out.
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Re: Unger For Graham
Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:54 pm
  • The trade was a complete dumb ass decision on PC's part then, and still to this day. No other way to look at it.

    Not just because they gave up a quality OL and first round pick, but he thought they could somehow teach Graham to be an in-line blocking TE. Even our defensive stars thought that was a complete joke.

    Graham for all his stats was never a real TE and should have been given a receiver only role on the team. Watching him attempt blocks for the run or pass protection game still makes me pissed.

    Just a complete screw up by PC.
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