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  • Only if the FO knew RW wanted an A-Aron esque contract that would make the team spiral even more downward (because RW can't carry this team). That being said mainly no, because I don't trust the FO's recent ability to draft.
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  • ZagHawk wrote:Only if the FO knew RW wanted an A-Aron esque contract that would make the team spiral even more downward (because RW can't carry this team). That being said mainly no, because I don't trust the FO's recent ability to draft.


    Isn't that the hilarity of it all?

    RW can't carry the Hawks in its current state and yet the collateral from a trade is the exact reason he seemingly is the only point of light that can carry the team and must carry the team.
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  • ZagHawk wrote:Only if the FO knew RW wanted an A-Aron esque contract that would make the team spiral even more downward (because RW can't carry this team). That being said mainly no, because I don't trust the FO's recent ability to draft.


    It is what he will want, if he and his agent haven't already expressed that to our FO.

    Why would he want anything less?

    We could buy another year by franchising Russell, but any longer than that and it gets pretty gnarly on the cap.

    The other question is DO WE TRUST this FO to use those picks to rebuild a SB roster? Not so sure anymore.
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  • Where are these articles?
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  • I wouldn't want three extra 1st round picks. :177692: No how no way. Trading down from 3 Prima dona picks is such a chore and there is no guarantee of finding a trade partner.

    Besides, picking up humbled Prima dona's on down the road of maturity is a preferred alternative plus we have virtually an unlimited supply of 8th round picks anyway.

    So no. I have no interest in extra 1st round picks. :P
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  • If the articles are not readily available, then maybe they were one-offs. You have to remember that anyone could pop up a blog. I probably should have remembered where it came from. I have a lot of feeds that give me Seahawk new/updates so it was just 2 of the many that came out right after the Cousins signing. How much 'there is there'? Couldn't tell you.

    I do know there are plenty of articles out there that indicate Wilson expects the team to tag him. Field Gulls and CBS both did articles on this.

    Now is this because he isn't going to sign a long-term deal? Or is this because he expects the tag and then it was spin to put the tags in a positive light?

    What I know is that the articles pointed out that he intended to play out the tags and then become a FA once the team could no longer tag him. And it was anticipated to be a big contract (Rodgers had not gotten his then but they figured it would be bigger than Rodgers because he would be a FA).

    I will look and see if I can find it in my browser history when I get some time to burn, but it was some time ago when the articles came out. The fact very few others saw it means it must not have been a big push. Which would be better news if you want to keep him.

    I was starting to think that maybe the 'leaks' about Wilson could have been the FO trying separate his brand and the Seahawks brand in the even they needed to make a decision on him. But that might be a bridge too far. I do notice a lot more fingers being pointed at Wilson now that the defense is no longer going to be the focal point of the teams effectiveness.
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  • If any team would give you 3 1st round picks you would absolutely do it at this point.

    We have all seen what this team looks like with "Wilson" as the main focus vs him with a Elite D and Elite RB as the focus and him as a game manager.

    Russ can not carry this team as it is now and this team has steadily went down hill as they switched from what it was to what it is now "Russell's" team.

    How do you think the team can and will get better once we have to pay him 30 plus million when he can not even do it now???

    We will end up with a top 5-10 pick this year, add in a another top 10 pick and with 2 years of 2 1st rounders and that is a lot for a NEW couching staff to rebuild on.
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  • Yes but only if Carroll didn't make the picks.
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  • xray wrote:Yes but only if Carroll didn't make the picks.


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  • I don’t believe any team in their right mind would offer three first round picks for Russell Wilson. That’s not a knock on Wilson. But if it was offered, yes I would take it.
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  • xray wrote:Yes but only if Carroll didn't make the picks.


    Ditto.

    I like their work in rounds 3 and 4. But the top of the draft has been pretty brutal.

    Seattle is in dire need of talent infusion. We aren't two years away from contending for the postseason. Not with a true alpha team in the division.
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  • Messiah to Martyr. Some of y’all are ridiculous. Call out the one guy that gives us a chance on Sundays. Done and won more with less around him than anyone


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  • As Wilson turns 30 soon and inevitably loses another step in the next couple years, I would make such a move. He has not proven this year he can be a true pocket passer that can carry the team. With an upcoming contract at 20% of the cap, it would be better to risk finding an adequate game manager and rebuild the D and run game. It may take some time to find such a sufficient turnover averse QB, but with the current state of the team, you pull the trigger.
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  • Pocket passing would require a pocket.


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  • DJ_CJ wrote:Messiah to Martyr. Some of y’all are ridiculous. Call out the one guy that gives us a chance on Sundays. Done and won more with less around him than anyone


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    Don't disagree. But that's the dilemma for me. What good would paying him 30 million a year be with this squad and him getting older.

    Might have to.hit the reset button on the qb position just to free up.cap space to get better elsewhere.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    DJ_CJ wrote:Messiah to Martyr. Some of y’all are ridiculous. Call out the one guy that gives us a chance on Sundays. Done and won more with less around him than anyone


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    Don't disagree. But that's the dilemma for me. What good would paying him 30 million a year be with this squad and him getting older.

    Might have to.hit the reset button on the qb position just to free up.cap space to get better elsewhere.



    Because he’s one of the best to ever suit up, period. We hit absolute jack pot selecting him, let alone as late as did doing so. With franchise QB its never complete rebuild more retool. Honestly falls on coaching and the mantra we had initially, compete. We got complacent and signed every name on D for years to big deals which in turn imo killed that compete/possible interjection of youth while also allowing us to get older and thinner. All while you have a franchise QB and have invested next to nothing to protect. Claim run identity and yet abandon it, let alone play calling that doesnt scheme to our strengths and weaknesses.


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  • Properly building around a Pro-Bowl QB is easier, than trying to find another one.

    The problem has been Pete doesn't know how to properly build on the offensive side of the ball.

    --Tom Cable

    --Percy Harvin: gave him $19M GTD, losing a 1st, 3rd, 7th.

    --Jimmy Graham for Unger & a 1st. Then proceed to use him improperly until about the final 10 games of his last season.

    --Alex Collins

    --Christine Michael

    --Eddie Lacy

    --J'Marcus Webb

    --Luke Joeckel

    --Germaine Ifedi

    --Rhees Odhiambo

    --Nick Vannett

    --Letting Giacomini & Carpenter walk. (You keep one of them to keep your O-Line from getting too young.)

    --Letting Tate walk. (Which leads to spending a 2nd on Richardson, and trading up using 4 picks (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th) in total to select Tyler Lockett, all to make up for refusing to pay Tate $6M APY for 5 years.) Now Paying Tyler Lockett $11M APY for 3 yrs, and at best is a #3 while coming off a major injury. While Tate was a legit #2.

    --Letting Okung walk, and ignoring LT for 1.5 seasons (Lucky Russ didn't suffer a major injury during this period.) Which lead to having to surrender a 2nd & 3rd. And pay big money to an older LT. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

    --Penny in the 1st isn't looking good right now. (Though obviously more time is needed to properly eval.)

    --Puppet OCs that live under Pete's thumb.

    The scary truth is I probably left some bad moves out as there are too many.


    Meanwhile on Defense, all I can think of is Cary Williams & Malik McDowell. As Pete is damn good on that side of the ball.

    After reading that. Does anybody want to surrender their Pro Bowl QB for three 1st rdrs? They would become the new Cleveland Browns if they did.


    NO. The better choice is to make a change at the top. A franchise QB cannot cover up that many mistakes.
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  • Fade wrote:Properly building around a Pro-Bowl QB is easier, than trying to find another one.

    The problem has been Pete doesn't know how to properly build on the offensive side of the ball.

    --Tom Cable

    --Percy Harvin: gave him $19M GTD, losing a 1st, 3rd, 7th.

    --Jimmy Graham for Unger & a 1st. Then proceed to use him improperly until about the final 10 games of his last season.

    --Alex Collins

    --Christine Michael

    --Eddie Lacy

    --J'Marcus Webb

    --Luke Joeckel

    --Germaine Ifedi

    --Rhees Odhiambo

    --Nick Vannett

    --Letting Giacomini & Carpenter walk. (You keep one of them to keep your O-Line from getting too young.)

    --Letting Tate walk. (Which leads to spending a 2nd on Richardson, and trading up using 4 picks (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th) in total to select Tyler Lockett, all to make up for refusing to pay Tate $6M APY for 5 years.) Now Paying Tyler Lockett $11M APY for 3 yrs, and at best is a #3 while coming off a major injury. While Tate was a legit #2.

    --Letting Okung walk, and ignoring LT for 1.5 seasons (Lucky Russ didn't suffer a major injury during this period.) Which lead to having to surrender a 2nd & 3rd. And pay big money to an older LT. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

    --Penny in the 1st isn't looking good right now. (Though obviously more time is needed to properly eval.)

    --Puppet OCs that live under Pete's thumb.

    The scary truth is I probably left some bad moves out as there are too many.


    Meanwhile on Defense, all I can think of is Cary Williams & Malik McDowell. As Pete is damn good on that side of the ball.

    After reading that. Does anybody want to surrender their Pro Bowl QB for three 1st rdrs? They would become the new Cleveland Browns if they did.


    NO. The better choice is to make a change at the top. A franchise QB cannot cover up that many mistakes.


    And all those moves have effectively ruined franchise. Yes we saw short term gains like two back to back Super Bowls with one win and a stout defense, but piling all the money in said defense and completely ignoring the offense, especially the O-Line, while trying to groom a franchise quarterback? That's not working out for us at all and it still shows. Even with the expensive defense gone, only having a few of those pieces left and now with a mostly unproven or hallow defense we still aren't or can't put money into the O-Line or offense to help Russel and instead try to band-aid everything.

    Brown is a band-aid.
    Marshal is a band-aid.
    Whatever we're doing to the running game is a patch work as well.

    We have no true investment anywhere on the offense.

    Penny could develop into something, but only if we focus on the O-Line. Dissly has been a pleasant surprise but I think he'll be largely ignored as a playmaker because Pete is apparently really against using a TE that could be more than a blocker. After Doug we get a slight drop off to Lockett and after him a major slope downward. What is the plan for the WR position?

    The short of it is, there is no plan. Everything seems to be a shot from the hip. A quick draw to see if something works or continue to follow a philosophy/play style that has been proven to not work anymore.
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  • Fade wrote:Properly building around a Pro-Bowl QB is easier, than trying to find another one.

    The problem has been Pete doesn't know how to properly build on the offensive side of the ball.

    --Tom Cable

    --Percy Harvin: gave him $19M GTD, losing a 1st, 3rd, 7th.

    --Jimmy Graham for Unger & a 1st. Then proceed to use him improperly until about the final 10 games of his last season.

    --Alex Collins

    --Christine Michael

    --Eddie Lacy

    --J'Marcus Webb

    --Luke Joeckel

    --Germaine Ifedi

    --Rhees Odhiambo

    --Nick Vannett

    --Letting Giacomini & Carpenter walk. (You keep one of them to keep your O-Line from getting too young.)

    --Letting Tate walk. (Which leads to spending a 2nd on Richardson, and trading up using 4 picks (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th) in total to select Tyler Lockett, all to make up for refusing to pay Tate $6M APY for 5 years.) Now Paying Tyler Lockett $11M APY for 3 yrs, and at best is a #3 while coming off a major injury. While Tate was a legit #2.

    --Letting Okung walk, and ignoring LT for 1.5 seasons (Lucky Russ didn't suffer a major injury during this period.) Which lead to having to surrender a 2nd & 3rd. And pay big money to an older LT. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

    --Penny in the 1st isn't looking good right now. (Though obviously more time is needed to properly eval.)

    --Puppet OCs that live under Pete's thumb.

    The scary truth is I probably left some bad moves out as there are too many.


    Meanwhile on Defense, all I can think of is Cary Williams & Malik McDowell. As Pete is damn good on that side of the ball.

    After reading that. Does anybody want to surrender their Pro Bowl QB for three 1st rdrs? They would become the new Cleveland Browns if they did.


    NO. The better choice is to make a change at the top. A franchise QB cannot cover up that many mistakes.

    Signing Blair Walsh instead of Haush

    Released Jahari Evans after a month when all they have is garbage at RG. He went on to start and play well for the next two seasons.
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  • massari wrote:Released Jahari Evans after a month when all they have is garbage at RG. He went on to start and play well for the next two seasons.

    :D

    See I told you I would forget some. The list is too damn long.
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