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Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:01 am

Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:18 am
  • I know he clowned the Hawks the day of drafting him but quickly changed his tune the following day saying it was his favorite pick of the first day.
    I've learned not to judge picks anymore until I learn something about the player first. We always have players in our minds who we'd like to see get drafted and when we get a name we've rarely heard if at all and it's easy to bitch and moan sayin we messed up. A lot of folks first reaction on multiple boards thought we got too "cute".
    I will continue tho, to bitch and moan for not picking Budda Baker and seeing a division rival of all teams scoop him up. Considering what we did in the draft prior to his picking :34853_doh:
    Maybe Reggie will learn from quick assumptions about a player he's ill informed on given his complete 180 in record fashion.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:20 am
  • A great breakdown on Rashaad Penny:


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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:57 am
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:53 am
  • Why did the National media ignore Penny's stats before the draft? IF, I were an NFL scout and was tasked with valuation of a RB class, I'd START with the leading NCAA rusher and work my way down the list. SDST isn't a powerhouse team, but I'd point out the New Orleans selection of Davenport came at the cost of two 1-st round picks, Texas-SA is an even lesser powerhouse than SDST and Davenport is very much more of a developmental player (without top NCAA stats). Nobody seems to be bashing N.O. much for their "REACH", but they should be. Penny was simply given the "Rodney Dangerfield" treatment due to a perceived "level of competition" tag from media idiots that didn't even watch his tape?
    That is what I'd call a very poor evaluation effort by some extremely lazy & incompetent scouts & media "experts".
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:05 am
  • Rushing defense stats for Rashaad Penny's opponents in 2017:

    UC Davis - FCS team, ranked 109th in rushing yards allowed per game (out of 123 FCS teams)
    Arizona State - 96th in rushing yards allowed per carry, 78th in rushing yards allowed per game
    Stanford - 80th in per carry, 68th in per game
    Air Force - 130th in per carry (dead last in FBS), 118th in per game
    Northern Illinois - 5th in per carry, 16th in per game
    UNLV - 120th in per carry, 123rd in per game
    Boise State - 15th in per carry, 17th in per game
    Fresno State - 17th in per carry, 11th in per game
    Hawai'i - 113th in per carry, 111th in per game
    San Jose State - 118th in per carry, 129th in per game (2nd worst in FBS)
    Nevada - 74th in per carry, 110th in per game
    New Mexico - 85th in per carry, 65th in per game
    Army - 116th in per carry, 75th in per game

    Penny faced just three good teams against the run: Northern Illinois, Boise State, and Fresno State. Stanford had a down year against the run and were ranked in the bottom half of the Pac-12 in run defense categories.

    So how did Penny perform against these three teams? It's a mixed bag.
    Northern Illinois - 25 carries for 107 yards (4.3 YPC), 0 TDs
    Boise State - 21 carries for 53 yards (2.5 YPC), 1 TD
    Fresno State - 15 carries for 69 yards (4.6 YPC), 0 TDs
    Combined - 61 carries for 229 yards (3.7 YPC), 1 TD

    Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.

    This doesn't mean Penny can't be GREAT. It's just one reason I'm hesitant about crowning him until I see how he performs against solid NFL run defenses.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:11 pm
  • A hole is a hole, doesn't matter what your team ranking is, can you hit it and can you accelerate to gain yards. Penny's biggest challenge will be the speed of the NFL game and angles players will take to cut him off. All he has to do is run like someone wants to take his wallet once he gets thru the hole. He has the kind of speed needed, just will need to get used to everyone else having speed also. That and a refusal to go down at first contact.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:35 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.


    Every SDS fan I've head talk about Penny and their Oline has said it was Penny who made the offensive line look good, not the other way around.

    SDSU’s offensive line had four new starters going into 2017 which included two redshirt freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and one senior. They were very young and very inexperienced.

    Those games that Penny didn't have his usualy 150+ yard running games, his Oline got CRUSHED. Go rewatch the Boise State game and tell me that the offensive was doing their job.

    This isn't even considering that the SDS QB was junk, so defense only had one priority. Stop Penny.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:04 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:A hole is a hole, doesn't matter what your team ranking is, can you hit it and can you accelerate to gain yards. Penny's biggest challenge will be the speed of the NFL game and angles players will take to cut him off. All he has to do is run like someone wants to take his wallet once he gets thru the hole. He has the kind of speed needed, just will need to get used to everyone else having speed also. That and a refusal to go down at first contact.

    Penny has really good vision, and his is pretty good at setting up his blocks. He kind of reminds me a bit of Shaun Alexander in that way. He is patient, and he is deceptive in everything he does. He doesn't look elusive, but people have a hard time getting both hands around him. He makes subtle, little moves that are hard to catch, sort of like Shaun Alexander did. Players think they are getting the right angle, and all of the sudden they are grasping at air. He also has a wicked cutback, and a nice second gear that comes on without many noticing.

    With the right line he has the ability to be a 2000 yards type of guy. He is a guy that elevates his line, but on the same hand I think he is the type of RB that suffers behind bad lines more than most. He doesn't look overly powerful, he had that stat yards after first contact, but I went back and watched most of his games. Usually it was players getting one hand on him because he forced them to take an awkward angle. He went down with arm tackles really easily, too easily in my opinion. This is going to be his biggest hurdle he needs to jump over in the pros. As a RB you need to be able to break those tackles. As you said, I think he is going to find that guys are going to get their hands on him more in the NFL.

    I think a bit of lower body work, and lowering his pad level will do a lot in this area.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:03 pm
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.


    Every SDS fan I've head talk about Penny and their Oline has said it was Penny who made the offensive line look good, not the other way around.

    SDSU’s offensive line had four new starters going into 2017 which included two redshirt freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and one senior. They were very young and very inexperienced.

    Those games that Penny didn't have his usualy 150+ yard running games, his Oline got CRUSHED. Go rewatch the Boise State game and tell me that the offensive was doing their job.

    This isn't even considering that the SDS QB was junk, so defense only had one priority. Stop Penny.


    SDSU's offensive line averaged the second most YARDS BLOCKED PER SNAP in the country. They were really bad in pass protection, which the why the *mod edit* would consider them a "bad offensive line," giving Penny all the credit.

    This video touches on what I'm talking about:
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:03 pm
  • I get the competition he played against was not world beating.

    And when he played better defenses he did not do as well, but it somewhat disregards the reality that the rest of his team was essentially overmatched against the better defensive teams.

    We don't know if those worse #s are the impact of his team being overmatched or him not being able to dominate better players in those games.

    What I DO know is that in the Senior Bowl, when playing against some of the better players in CFB but when also armed with a better support group....he did what he wanted against them. So the idea he simply cannot do well against better players is at least shown to be likely incorrect.

    And I have noticed that guys that dominate in Senior Bowls tend to do well in the NFL. Not always, but enough to be comfortable that we should get good results.

    I will be very surprised if Penny does not turn into a very good player. Very happy with this pick.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:48 am
  • Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
    BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?

    Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
    Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
    I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:12 am
  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:Why did the National media ignore Penny's stats before the draft? IF, I were an NFL scout and was tasked with valuation of a RB class, I'd START with the leading NCAA rusher and work my way down the list. SDST isn't a powerhouse team, but I'd point out the New Orleans selection of Davenport came at the cost of two 1-st round picks, Texas-SA is an even lesser powerhouse than SDST and Davenport is very much more of a developmental player (without top NCAA stats). Nobody seems to be bashing N.O. much for their "REACH", but they should be. Penny was simply given the "Rodney Dangerfield" treatment due to a perceived "level of competition" tag from media idiots that didn't even watch his tape?
    That is what I'd call a very poor evaluation effort by some extremely lazy & incompetent scouts & media "experts".
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    The national media ignored Penny because he played in the Mountain West with zero national game exposure.

    But from us and multiple other teams interested in Penny for their first round pick, there's no doubt teams and scouts weren't sleeping on him.

    Any RB in this era of football where RB's have been diminished due to pass heavy offenses selected in the first round tells you that no one was sleeping on him, even if most of us hadn't hear much, or anything about Penny prior to the draft.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:21 am
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
    BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?

    Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
    Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
    I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.

    Not really seeing it. I've watched a lot of videos, and tape on Penny. He uses angles, and a deceptive acceleration. People never really able to square up on him. It is as if they are surprised by how fast he is able to take off. The thing about Penny is he doesn't look very fast.... That is until you see DB's falling behind him, even then he still looks like he is not going fast, but he is. A lot of pundits were actually surprised at his 40. That same deceptive speed is what really confuses defenders that are looking to square up on him, it's the same thing Alexander did, as well as Arian Foster. He is hard to square up on, and I think he will be like that too in the NFL. That being said, when defenders were able to square up on him he went down disturbingly easily. This will happen more in the NFL. It wasn't due to his lack of effort either, he simply doesn't look to have much bulk in the lower body. That can be fixed with conditioning. The other thing is an upright running style, he doesn't get much leverage on defenders. That also can be fixed with coaching.

    As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:25 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    CamanoIslandJQ wrote:Why did the National media ignore Penny's stats before the draft? IF, I were an NFL scout and was tasked with valuation of a RB class, I'd START with the leading NCAA rusher and work my way down the list. SDST isn't a powerhouse team, but I'd point out the New Orleans selection of Davenport came at the cost of two 1-st round picks, Texas-SA is an even lesser powerhouse than SDST and Davenport is very much more of a developmental player (without top NCAA stats). Nobody seems to be bashing N.O. much for their "REACH", but they should be. Penny was simply given the "Rodney Dangerfield" treatment due to a perceived "level of competition" tag from media idiots that didn't even watch his tape?
    That is what I'd call a very poor evaluation effort by some extremely lazy & incompetent scouts & media "experts".
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    The national media ignored Penny because he played in the Mountain West with zero national game exposure.

    But from us and multiple other teams interested in Penny for their first round pick, there's no doubt teams and scouts weren't sleeping on him.

    Any RB in this era of football where RB's have been diminished due to pass heavy offenses selected in the first round tells you that no one was sleeping on him, even if most of us hadn't hear much, or anything about Penny prior to the draft.

    Penny had been silently rising up the boards the other running backs had injury concerns, or whatever Guices situation was/is. I've been hearing murmurs about him being involved in an incident that could embarrass the league. Penny had a strong Combine and Senior Bowl which really shot him up the boards. I think at the NCAA's season end people had him as a third rounder. He came out, and really blew away everyone's expectations during the Senior Bowl, and Combine. He tested way higher in both of these events than people thought he would.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:43 am
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    Russ Willstrong wrote:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
    BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?

    Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
    Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
    I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.

    Not really seeing it. I've watched a lot of videos, and tape on Penny. He uses angles, and a deceptive acceleration. People never really able to square up on him. It is as if they are surprised by how fast he is able to take off. The thing about Penny is he doesn't look very fast.... That is until you see DB's falling behind him, even then he still looks like he is not going fast, but he is. A lot of pundits were actually surprised at his 40. That same deceptive speed is what really confuses defenders that are looking to square up on him, it's the same thing Alexander did, as well as Arian Foster. He is hard to square up on, and I think he will be like that too in the NFL. That being said, when defenders were able to square up on him he went down disturbingly easily. This will happen more in the NFL. It wasn't due to his lack of effort either, he simply doesn't look to have much bulk in the lower body. That can be fixed with conditioning. The other thing is an upright running style, he doesn't get much leverage on defenders. That also can be fixed with coaching.

    As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.


    If you want a fair comparison. Look at the running style in both of these videos.

    Both 220lbs, Rashaad is a couple of inches shorter. The STYLE is very similar. We won't know what he'll look like against a pro defense, until he's against a pro defense.


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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:38 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    Russ Willstrong wrote:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
    BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?

    Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
    Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
    I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.

    ...
    As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.

    Please enlighten me about their differences.
    I admit I dont know much about Penny but he does have a similar upright running style to Harvin in college. It appears he can catch and is a phenomenal returner too.
    I understand Harvin is a receiver in the NFL but In college Harvin often lined up in the backfield. He wasn't a true receiver and it appeared he never mastered the route tree. Both are great returners and appears to be home-run hitters.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:54 pm
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    Russ Willstrong wrote:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
    BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?

    Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
    Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
    I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.

    ...
    As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.

    Please enlighten me about their differences.
    I admit I dont know much about Penny but he does have a similar upright running style to Harvin in college. It appears he can catch and is a phenomenal returner too.
    I understand Harvin is a receiver in the NFL but In college Harvin often lined up in the backfield. He wasn't a true receiver and it appeared he never mastered the route tree. Both are great returners and appears to be home-run hitters.

    They don't even have similar running styles, Harvin was used as a slasher type of player. He spent a good half of his time out at wide receiver, even at Flordia. Harvin was viewed as more of a WR prospect than a RB prospect, and he spent most of his time lined out wide in the NFL. When Harvin did run he looked to bounce it outside, and attack from the edges. Penny is a north and south runner, he can bounce it to the outside, but generally he likes to go up the gut if he can. He is also a very patient runner, something that Harvin never showcased in college. Penny is also has about 20 pounds on Harvin, and has a bigger frame than him as well.

    In college Harvin was a much better route runner than Penny. Route running is something that Penny actually struggles with -- but Penny has something you can't really coach, great hands. Harvin did most of his work in college on things like the slant routes, or bubble screens -- but he was till far ahead of Penny in this regard. The TL;DR version of this is they both had completely different skill sets and approaches to this game.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:36 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
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    hawknation2018 wrote:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.


    Every SDS fan I've head talk about Penny and their Oline has said it was Penny who made the offensive line look good, not the other way around.

    SDSU’s offensive line had four new starters going into 2017 which included two redshirt freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and one senior. They were very young and very inexperienced.

    Those games that Penny didn't have his usualy 150+ yard running games, his Oline got CRUSHED. Go rewatch the Boise State game and tell me that the offensive was doing their job.

    This isn't even considering that the SDS QB was junk, so defense only had one priority. Stop Penny.


    SDSU's offensive line averaged the second most YARDS BLOCKED PER SNAP in the country. They were really bad in pass protection, which the why the *mod edit* would consider them a "bad offensive line," giving Penny all the credit.

    This video touches on what I'm talking about:


    We can't isolate the effectiveness of an oline from its running back using a stat that's is directly tied to the running back.


    Common sense is the best approach here. Is it more likely the success of the running game was because of a young, inexperienced offensive line or was it the first round draft pick that teams across the league were hoping to draft early?
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:18 pm
  • When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:27 pm
  • fenderbender123 wrote:When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-


    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:37 pm
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    fenderbender123 wrote:When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-


    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?


    No, because they could have picked him two rounds later.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:01 pm
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    fenderbender123 wrote:When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-


    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?


    No, because they could have picked him two rounds later.


    No, because he wouldn't have been there. New England would have picked him up.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:59 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
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    mikeak wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-


    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?


    No, because they could have picked him two rounds later.


    No, because he wouldn't have been there. New England would have picked him up.


    You missed a joke.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:51 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    mikeak wrote:
    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?


    No, because they could have picked him two rounds later.


    No, because he wouldn't have been there. New England would have picked him up.


    You missed a joke.


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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:03 am
  • Reggie: I haven't done any research so since I am a back and looking at this guys stats, I will pick Penny.


    Penny could be very impactful, but Bush is still just throwing darts up there.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:57 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:When he retires, Rashaad Penny will be considered the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. That's why I gave the pick a grade of A-


    Wouldn’t that make it an A+?


    Somebody in the future is going to come along and be even better than Rashaad Penny. So if I give Penny an A+ what the hell grade am I going to give the next guy who becomes the next greatest running back of all time when he gets picked? Didn't think about that, did ya?
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:03 pm
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    If Brown had a 16 game season to play there would not be anyone that could reach the numbers he would have achieved, the fact he did it in 12 and 14 game seasons versus 16 and the yardage held as long as it did was amazing by itself.
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Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:40 am
  • chris98251 wrote:There hasn't been anyone better then Jim Brown to come along yet so...…..

    If Brown had a 16 game season to play there would not be anyone that could reach the numbers he would have achieved, the fact he did it in 12 and 14 game seasons versus 16 and the yardage held as long as it did was amazing by itself.

    Brown, Payton and Sanders are my personal top three, and I can put them in any order within that top three depending on which aspect of their game and the team around them you want to highlight. And of course AD, OJ, Dickerson, et al...

    Really, it’s difficult if not impossible to say, “this guy was the best ever” because there are so many factors to consider.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:07 pm
  • From watching the tape he isn't as quick or fast as I had hoped and its evident that he compiled numbers against shoddy opponents while running behind a solid run based system with better than average blocking from OL and receivers. He was not good picking up the blitz either and that is something he will absolutely have to do to play here.
    What he does do well is to have great vision to set up his blocks and take advantage of what the defense gives. I mean christine had wiggle and speed but would run right into the back of a linemen or out run his blocking. Also Penny shows more power than I thought he'd have. He might not be beast mode but he doesn't go down easy at all. Only time will tell but I'm still happy with the pick and hopeful that he can be a difference maker.
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Re: Reggie Bush on Rashaad Penny
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:11 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:There hasn't been anyone better then Jim Brown to come along yet so...…..

    If Brown had a 16 game season to play there would not be anyone that could reach the numbers he would have achieved, the fact he did it in 12 and 14 game seasons versus 16 and the yardage held as long as it did was amazing by itself.

    Brown, Payton and Sanders are my personal top three, and I can put them in any order within that top three depending on which aspect of their game and the team around them you want to highlight. And of course AD, OJ, Dickerson, et al...

    Really, it’s difficult if not impossible to say, “this guy was the best ever” because there are so many factors to consider.

    Agree. I also have a vote for the original beast mode ... Earl Campbell. Man was he something to behold.
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