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George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:54 am
  • Schneider mentioned the possibility that Fant could play RT. Carroll said a few weeks ago that it's possible Fant could be ready to return for the start of training camp.

    If Fant could win the starting RT job, that would be HUGE for the offensive line. Fant is a really talented athlete and a physical blocker. He plays like a guy who likes to hit.

    Using Fant at RT would also allow Ifedi to move back to his more natural RG position, where his north-south explosiveness would be more of an asset. Ifedi cost the team a ton of false start and holding penalties because he's not quick enough to block outside speed rushers.

    I also prefer D.J. Fluker at RT, as opposed to RG, because his length and footwork is so solid on the outside. Fluker's grades at tackle have been better than at guard. But I don't get the impression that will happen, given that Mike Solari used Fluker at RG last season with the Giants.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:17 pm
  • Who was RT for the Gmen last year? Flowers?
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:24 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:Who was RT for the Gmen last year? Flowers?


    Flowers was at LT for the Giants last season. Bobby Hart started at RT for seven games. Then-rookie Chad Wheeler was at RT for five games. They didn't have a RT who was playing really well. Also, there hasn't been any mention of Fluker getting a shot at RT. He's slow footed but uses his length and reach well on the outside.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:18 pm
  • The right side of the line has me somewhat perplexed. If Fant competes at the RT and wins over Ifedi, do we move Ifedi over to RG where its his natural position? If so, where does that leave Fluker? Ironically, Fluker graded much better at RT than the guard position. Should be interesting.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:34 pm
  • Fant makes a back up for time being.I think his days are close to over here.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:38 pm
  • There's a lot more actual competition on the line this year. It's nice. Fant, Pocic, Jones, and Odihambo will all push someone at one or more positions.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:40 pm
  • I honestly don't see any chance of Fant to win the RT job. Think about it, the guy has just learned to play on the leftside with just a handful of games, now you throw him on the other side and he' has to learn it all again but backwards. You have to move differently. That's a lot to ask someone who has virtually no experience.

    I think we see Ifedi improve significantly and becomes a road grader on the right side opening holes for Penny.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:44 pm
  • someone needs to compete with ifedi im happy if its fant
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:49 pm
  • All that needs to happen is for the OL positions to be decided early so they can focus on the position they will be playing during the year and getting used to the guy playing next to them.

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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:05 pm
  • jlwaters1 wrote:I honestly don't see any chance of Fant to win the RT job. Think about it, the guy has just learned to play on the leftside with just a handful of games, now you throw him on the other side and he' has to learn it all again but backwards. You have to move differently. That's a lot to ask someone who has virtually no experience.

    I think we see Ifedi improve significantly and becomes a road grader on the right side opening holes for Penny.


    You make a persuasive argument about Fant. He's also coming off ACL surgery.

    Just not sold on Ifedi at RT or Fluker at RG.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:31 pm
  • I could talk for hours about this!

    The best thing is we have competition at the weakest positions.

    LT - set
    LG - Pocic/Jones/Roos/Odhiambo
    C - set
    RG - Fluker/Ifedi/Roos
    RT - Ifedi/Fluker/Jones/Fant

    That's some interesting camp battles.

    The OL competition is the most interesting across the whole team and it's not even close.

    I just hope they don't make any glaringly obvious mistakes early and have to reshuffle again.

    Get it right first time and let them develop each game. As long as people are patient by the time the team play in London, I can very much imagine a more than serviceable line.

    If I had to predict the line today -

    LT - Brown
    LG - Pocic
    C - Britt
    RG - Ifedi
    RT - Jones
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Re: George Fant to RT
Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:00 pm
  • This is a crazy ... I get it indulge me, why limit the imagination. So Duane Brown has always been a strong dude ..but at 32 he is getting older... the first thing to go is your fast twitch right?

    Roy Jones should be a perfect example... you keep your strength the longest... and lose your reflexes. Fant is the guy you make on Madden to play left tackle... why not move Duane Brown to left guard and have the best potential left side since Walter and Hutch?

    I mean he could be an all pro guard for the next four years and all the time teach young Fant along the way....

    ok since I know that is not going to happen and I know Duane Brown is one of the few good things we have going... just saying at some point he is going to slip a bit ... maybe that plan in a year or so... so to reality.

    I mean Solari liked the dude at guard for a reason maybe put Fluker on the left side next to Brown and have a couple of big strong dudes over there and then Ifedi at guard and Fant at right tackle.

    Brown...Fluker... Brit...Ifedi...Fant

    Fluker has played on the left side not at guard as far as I know but as a tackle so the transition could be easier than it would be for Ifedi ...who has had problems before moving over to that side.

    Aside from when we play the Rams ... that line might have a chance... seems pretty stout from a run game perspective... passing ... rome wasn't built in a day.

    Also all those other dudes are working really hard at there craft as we discuss this ... so who knows how Pocic or some of the other guys look when camp starts.

    The Rams scare me but I am excited that we may have a run game again... I also do think the changes to the cut blocking rule messed up the Alex Gibb's zone blocking system that Cable insisted on running no matter how much he tried to say they did not... and I am optimistic about our new coaches and evolution of the lineman currently on the roster... for some reason.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 am
  • original poster wrote:I could talk for hours about this!

    The best thing is we have competition at the weakest positions.

    LT - set
    LG - Pocic/Jones/Roos/Odhiambo
    C - set
    RG - Fluker/Ifedi/Roos
    RT - Ifedi/Fluker/Jones/Fant

    That's some interesting camp battles.

    The OL competition is the most interesting across the whole team and it's not even close.

    I just hope they don't make any glaringly obvious mistakes early and have to reshuffle again.

    Get it right first time and let them develop each game. As long as people are patient by the time the team play in London, I can very much imagine a more than serviceable line.

    If I had to predict the line today -

    LT - Brown
    LG - Pocic
    C - Britt
    RG - Ifedi
    RT - Jones


    I gotta believe Fluker starts somewhere on the line
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 2:56 am
  • There's no way Jones starts just yet, we've made too many mistakes over too many years throwing in rookies on the O-Line.

    We'll almost certainly have Brown, Ifedi, Britt and Fluker starting, with the remaining guard position up for grabs between Odhiambo and Pocic.

    Fant will sit another year or two learning technique behind Brown, and similarly the goal with Jones will be to coach him up to an acceptable pro level. Hunt probably keeps a roster spot which means competition up for the remaining spots
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 2:59 am
  • themunn wrote:There's no way Jones starts just yet, we've made too many mistakes over too many years throwing in rookies on the O-Line.

    We'll almost certainly have Brown, Ifedi, Britt and Fluker starting, with the remaining guard position up for grabs between Odhiambo and Pocic.

    Fant will sit another year or two learning technique behind Brown, and similarly the goal with Jones will be to coach him up to an acceptable pro level. Hunt probably keeps a roster spot which means competition up for the remaining spots


    I agree that Jones is looking like a backup at this point (with a slight chance to break into the starting competition at LG). His pass blocking technique could be the separator at LG. Only 11 pressures surrendered last season at Ohio State.

    We can't forget about Jordan Roos. He is a great athlete (powerful & explosive). He gained a little experience at guard during his rookie "redshirt" season. Roos vs. Pocic seems like the big battle to me at LG. Jones could push Odhiambo off the roster if he takes over as the backup LT/LG.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 5:08 am
  • I'm pretty sure Ifedi will play himself into his most obvious natural position at some point this year, backup on the bench. If I'm correct about that ,how does the line look with Ifedi's name not in the lineup?
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 5:18 am
  • penihawk wrote:I'm pretty sure Ifedi will play himself into his most obvious natural position at some point this year, backup on the bench. If I'm correct about that ,how does the line look with Ifedi's name not in the lineup?


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    LT Brown, Jones
    LG Pocic, Roos
    C Brit, Pocic
    RG Fluker, Ifedi
    RT Fant, Ifedi
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 6:01 am
  • I'm thinking it's going to turn out like it stands right now.

    Brown, Pocic, Britt, Fluker, and Ifedi.
    I think we see dramatic improvement at LG, RG, and RT.

    I think this because both Pocic (whose added strength and weight) and Ifedi will be significantly improved over last year, being as this will be year 2 for both at these positions.
    As for RG- which I would contend was the weakest position along the line will be improved by steady play from Fluker.

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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 6:48 am
  • jlwaters1 wrote:I honestly don't see any chance of Fant to win the RT job. Think about it, the guy has just learned to play on the leftside with just a handful of games, now you throw him on the other side and he' has to learn it all again but backwards. You have to move differently. That's a lot to ask someone who has virtually no experience.

    I think we see Ifedi improve significantly and becomes a road grader on the right side opening holes for Penny.


    Someone gets it! Moving Fant who just learned football to the other side is about the most dumb ass idea I can think of. :roll: :141847_bnono:
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:09 am
  • This is your annual reminder that throwing two subpar players at a position does not guarantee a starting-quality result.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 am
  • Seymour wrote:Moving Fant who just learned football to the other side is about the most dumb ass idea I can think of. :roll: :141847_bnono:


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    This came from Schneider's statement that Fant could play RT. Fant learned LT on the fly in just a few short months. Learning RT, with an entire off-season and having already had NFL starting experience, should actually be less difficult. Training Fant at RT is not the problem. I just would not expect him to be ready to start Game 1, especially coming off the injury. We'll see how it plays out.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:14 am
  • Remember also that we drafted a blocking tight end who, even if he doesn't start will provide competition at the spot and the winner should help the RT position immensely. ;)
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:15 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is your annual reminder that throwing two subpar players at a position does not guarantee a starting-quality result.


    Unfortunately, this is true and why they probably should have signed or drafted a starter-caliber RT. Now you've got to make the best of what you've got.

    I still feel that Fluker is the best (and most experienced) RT on the roster at present. And Fant has the potential to be an adequate backup, while he learns the positions and rebounds from off-season surgery.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:21 am
  • sutz wrote:Remember also that we drafted a blocking tight end who, even if he doesn't start will provide competition at the spot and the winner should help the RT position immensely. ;)


    Fair point, but also keep in mind we drafted a blocking TE 2 years prior considerably higher in the draft (3rd round) in Nick Vannett, and that has so far been proven a failure.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:25 am
  • maybe Im wrong but I thought I heard that they were moving ifedi to guard, his natural position and that it was already decided.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:35 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    penihawk wrote:I'm pretty sure Ifedi will play himself into his most obvious natural position at some point this year, backup on the bench. If I'm correct about that ,how does the line look with Ifedi's name not in the lineup?


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    LT Brown, Jones
    LG Pocic, Roos
    C Brit, Pocic
    RG Fluker, Ifedi
    RT Fant, Ifedi


    LT Brown, Jones
    LG Roos, Ohiambo
    C Brit, Pocic
    RG Fluker, Ifedi
    RT Fant, Jones


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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 7:44 am
  • ...trying not to think about the Rams DLine as I read this thread....
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 10:32 am
  • I will never understand the .net love affair with George Fant. Nothing personal against the guy, but he was a Cable Conversion Project and probably doesn't even make the team this year.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 10:43 am
  • Yeah, what has Fant ever done?
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 10:48 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, what has Fant ever done?


    Worked his ass off, did everything asked, started as a rookie fresh from the basketball court and did so under Fable... plus deserved his shot for starters?
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    OK, so now he’s bigger. Is he better than he was in his understandably rocky debut season?

    That’s where Jones comes in.

    The Seahawks Hall-of-Fame left tackle from a decade ago comes around the team from time to time, including for preseason workshops with players. At one of those drop-ins last year, in the middle of the 2016 season, Fant went up to Jones and asked for advice on how to play not only what was a new position for him, but a new sport.

    What ice breaker did the undrafted rookie college basketball player use to approach one of the best left tackle in the history of the game?

    “Me being the undrafted rookie and the new guy in the system, I was just like, swallow your pride and go ask this great legacy person, ‘What do you see, what do you think?’” Fant said. “So that’s what I did.

    “Just taking what he says and soaking it in, adding it to my game. It’s a lot of things.”


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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 10:49 am
  • Absolutely he worked his butt off, but on the field, in games, he has very little experience. It's not his fault he got injured, but he was getting pushed around quite a bit when he was in there. Just seems like a major assumption that he's a starting caliber Tackle. I look forward to being very wrong out him.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 10:58 am
  • The better question is what exactly has Ifedi done as a first round pick?? He was a 1st round pick vs an undrafted FA basketball player, that people are excited to replace Ifedi with?? :pukeface:
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 11:06 am
  • Ifedi is brutal, no argument here.
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  • pushed around? He would have a hiccup now and then but you seriously didn't see what got the people here and on the coaching staff excited? A blood and guts power foward turned left tackle... long arms, feet of a basketball player, surprising strength, hand eye coordination, fluidity and most important the desire and determination to succeed.... yah screw that guy... cut em... what a waste of the coaches developmental time.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 11:51 am
  • Nobody said cut him. I'm just not sold on him YET. I hope to very wrong, it would mean good things for the team.
    It is ok to have opinions on a player, god forbid someone doesn't gush over a player.
    Hugh Millen talked about him being pushed around as well.
    I hope he tears it up, being wrong rocks.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 12:02 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nobody said cut him. I'm just not sold on him YET. I hope to very wrong, it would mean good things for the team.
    It is ok to have opinions on a player. Hugh Millen talked about him being pushed around as well.
    I hope he tears it up, being wrong rocks.


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    I don't want to go back to the day's of Tim Ruskell, where the guy needed to be a team captain out of the SEC or he didn't get a sniff. I like the out of the box thinking from PC and JS and yes at times it goes to far and is not productive.

    I feel that they made an adjustment and are not going to be so out of the box and toe the line a bit more... as long as they keep a little bit of that out of the box thinking .... because it creates opportunity to find market inefficiencies.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 12:16 pm
  • Just really looking forward to seeing what Solari can do. They have needed a change for a long time. As much as I love PC, he was a little too loyal to his assistants imo. Oh well, he took care of it.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 12:38 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Just really looking forward to seeing what Solari can do. They have needed a change for a long time. As much as I love PC, he was a little too loyal to his assistants imo. Oh well, he took care of it.


    Preach... hate the moves love the moves, just make it happen already. I think that is a healthy attitude for all of us to take... we have enjoyed all the fun stories... now we want to see it manifest on the field.

    I agree with you on Solari ... sounds like he is a little man a little zone ... very capable of coaching these dudes up. Do we have enough talent? Do we have enough experience? I tend to fall into the optimistic camp a bit but I am firmly in the #ShowMe camp more than anything. Too many wasted opportunities with the old roster... and now the division is more talented than it has ever been. Do I still believe? Yes, but I agree brother #ShowMe already.
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  • JPC4Days wrote:pushed around? He would have a hiccup now and then but you seriously didn't see what got the people here and on the coaching staff excited? A blood and guts power foward turned left tackle... long arms, feet of a basketball player, surprising strength, hand eye coordination, fluidity and most important the desire and determination to succeed.... yah screw that guy... cut em... what a waste of the coaches developmental time.


    Do you remember the 34-31 Arizona loss at home two years ago? Fant was solely responsible for three out of Wilson's five sacks in the first half. He was also responsible for the sack early in the year where Wilson allegedly tore his pec. The tools are there, but the technique and knowledge is severely underdeveloped. He was really, really bad at being assignment correct.

    Maybe Solari will work something great out of him. Cable was never going to. But he has a lot to prove, and that doesn't change just because he was an outside-the-box pick.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 12:56 pm
  • I am looking forward to George Fant making his first Pro Bowl this year as an alternate.

    I think I was the only one to adopt him in the adopt-a-Rookie thread at a time few thought he would even make the roster.

    I believe in George Fant. By November, everyone on this Board will too. :stirthepot:
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 1:10 pm
  • Considering he was undrafted and changed positions, that would be a damn nice accomplishment. But, undrafted players making the pro bowl and/or contributing is pretty common under Pete. Fingers crossed you're right.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:pushed around? He would have a hiccup now and then but you seriously didn't see what got the people here and on the coaching staff excited? A blood and guts power foward turned left tackle... long arms, feet of a basketball player, surprising strength, hand eye coordination, fluidity and most important the desire and determination to succeed.... yah screw that guy... cut em... what a waste of the coaches developmental time.


    Do you remember the 34-31 Arizona loss at home two years ago? Fant was solely responsible for three out of Wilson's five sacks in the first half. He was also responsible for the sack early in the year where Wilson allegedly tore his pec. The tools are there, but the technique and knowledge is severely underdeveloped. He was really, really bad at being assignment correct.

    Maybe Solari will work something great out of him. Cable was never going to. But he has a lot to prove, and that doesn't change just because he was an outside-the-box pick.


    I mean it would be better if you had film of what you are talking about.... but yah I guess two years ago in his rookie year ... in his first time playing football since pee wee ... at the highest level in the World... he had a bad game. That doesn't seem too hard to believe... so I will take your word for it.

    It is not like I have not seen bad plays from him... I have but I have also noticed improvement and so have all the football people that work for the Seahawks. I just wonder if he has to play perfect for some people to acknowledge the talent... like if Fant would have been the one to give up that sack to Tom Brady in the Super Bowl ... somebody would be like ... see I told all of you.

    Even though he had so many more clean play's... look you don't see it ... that's fine ... I do ... the Seahawks do... I just disagree with you and as far as working hard to get better at his craft ... he is doing that right now. Look at it this way, I would rather have a George Fant on the roster developing than not... we just disagree with each other ... it happens all the time, we will see how it plays out.
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  • JPC4Days wrote:Even though he had so many more clean play's...


    He really didn't. If you didn't watch his play carefully and see the constant errors over the season, you're in disagreement with most analysts, like this guy:

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/8/13 ... -breakdown

    That breaks down one of his better games. It came before the Arizona game I mentioned and also references the Dec. 1 contest against Tampa negatively as well. As in, "disastrous".

    Fant is a classic Cable pick. Raw strength and athleticism, a hunk of rubber for football brains. If you can develop him, you've got a top-tier NFL lineman. Sounds great in theory, but I'll let you figure out how well that worked for all the other Cable projects we've tried - Odhiambo, Ifedi, Glowinski. Same profile, same result.

    Of course he's doing well for a guy who never played starting football since junior high. That doesn't change the fact that Russell Wilson needs more than that. He needs an NFL-caliber protector. Why do all the fans who worry for Wilson's life behind that line, and trash Pete and John for using first-round draft picks on ANYTHING other than offensive linemen, suddenly give Fant a pass because he didn't play starting football since junior high? It is the weirdest thing.

    I'm not ruling him out. I am saying he hasn't earned squat, and I don't want Wilson standing behind him unless 2018 is a massive development step forward for him. His work ethic and intensity, and the presence of Mike Solari, do bode somewhat well for this possibility.
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 2:58 pm
  • We switch Fant to RT then trade him for Lane Johnson. The league will never see it coming. :stirthepot:
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:Even though he had so many more clean play's...


    He really didn't. If you didn't watch his play carefully and see the constant errors over the season, you're in disagreement with most analysts, like this guy:

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/8/13 ... -breakdown

    That breaks down one of his better games. It came before the Arizona game I mentioned and also references the Dec. 1 contest against Tampa negatively as well. As in, "disastrous".

    Fant is a classic Cable pick. Raw strength and athleticism, a hunk of rubber for football brains. If you can develop him, you've got a top-tier NFL lineman. Sounds great in theory, but I'll let you figure out how well that worked for all the other Cable projects we've tried - Odhiambo, Ifedi, Glowinski. Same profile, same result.

    Of course he's doing well for a guy who never played starting football since junior high. That doesn't change the fact that Russell Wilson needs more than that. He needs an NFL-caliber protector. Why do all the fans who worry for Wilson's life behind that line, and trash Pete and John for using first-round draft picks on ANYTHING other than offensive linemen, suddenly give Fant a pass because he didn't play starting football since junior high? It is the weirdest thing.

    I'm not ruling him out. I am saying he hasn't earned squat, and I don't want Wilson standing behind him unless 2018 is a massive development step forward for him. His work ethic and intensity, and the presence of Mike Solari, do bode somewhat well for this possibility.


    Yes I do disagree with that guy on you... maybe not on the specific plays but in what it means... and he never had a clean play ... did you really just write that?

    Also do you think I want him starting if he is not the best option? You think I want him to start because he is an out of the box idea? I want the best five out there run blocking and protecting RW. It is like Madden though all the ratings are super high except experience and skill....the ratings for work ethic and willingness to learn are even super high.... like don't you want that guy on your roster?
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 3:04 pm
  • Hey, apparently Fant was doing a great job against Everson Griffen early on in the game where he got hurt... although that was preseason.
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  • JPC4Days wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:Even though he had so many more clean play's...


    He really didn't. If you didn't watch his play carefully and see the constant errors over the season, you're in disagreement with most analysts, like this guy:

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/8/13 ... -breakdown

    That breaks down one of his better games. It came before the Arizona game I mentioned and also references the Dec. 1 contest against Tampa negatively as well. As in, "disastrous".

    Fant is a classic Cable pick. Raw strength and athleticism, a hunk of rubber for football brains. If you can develop him, you've got a top-tier NFL lineman. Sounds great in theory, but I'll let you figure out how well that worked for all the other Cable projects we've tried - Odhiambo, Ifedi, Glowinski. Same profile, same result.

    Of course he's doing well for a guy who never played starting football since junior high. That doesn't change the fact that Russell Wilson needs more than that. He needs an NFL-caliber protector. Why do all the fans who worry for Wilson's life behind that line, and trash Pete and John for using first-round draft picks on ANYTHING other than offensive linemen, suddenly give Fant a pass because he didn't play starting football since junior high? It is the weirdest thing.

    I'm not ruling him out. I am saying he hasn't earned squat, and I don't want Wilson standing behind him unless 2018 is a massive development step forward for him. His work ethic and intensity, and the presence of Mike Solari, do bode somewhat well for this possibility.


    Yes I do disagree with that guy on you... maybe not on the specific plays but in what it means... and he never had a clean play ... did you really just write that?


    No, I didn't. I disagreed on your assertion that he had so many more clean plays. Consistency seems to be the issue here.

    Since 75% of your posts up to this point have been about Fant, I should probably say that if you ARE George Fant, I've got nothing against you. I hope you succeed - you've got crazy tools and I respect how hard you've worked.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:Even though he had so many more clean play's...


    He really didn't. If you didn't watch his play carefully and see the constant errors over the season, you're in disagreement with most analysts, like this guy:

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/8/13 ... -breakdown

    That breaks down one of his better games. It came before the Arizona game I mentioned and also references the Dec. 1 contest against Tampa negatively as well. As in, "disastrous".

    Fant is a classic Cable pick. Raw strength and athleticism, a hunk of rubber for football brains. If you can develop him, you've got a top-tier NFL lineman. Sounds great in theory, but I'll let you figure out how well that worked for all the other Cable projects we've tried - Odhiambo, Ifedi, Glowinski. Same profile, same result.

    Of course he's doing well for a guy who never played starting football since junior high. That doesn't change the fact that Russell Wilson needs more than that. He needs an NFL-caliber protector. Why do all the fans who worry for Wilson's life behind that line, and trash Pete and John for using first-round draft picks on ANYTHING other than offensive linemen, suddenly give Fant a pass because he didn't play starting football since junior high? It is the weirdest thing.

    I'm not ruling him out. I am saying he hasn't earned squat, and I don't want Wilson standing behind him unless 2018 is a massive development step forward for him. His work ethic and intensity, and the presence of Mike Solari, do bode somewhat well for this possibility.


    Yes I do disagree with that guy on you... maybe not on the specific plays but in what it means... and he never had a clean play ... did you really just write that?


    No, I didn't. I disagreed on your assertion that he had so many more clean plays. Consistency seems to be the issue here.

    Since 75% of your posts up to this point have been about Fant, I should probably say that if you ARE George Fant, I've got nothing against you. I hope you succeed - you've got crazy tools and I respect how hard you've worked.



    I rewatch games ... I might not be an "expert" "analyst" but at least I can admit that I don't have all the play information. Like the aiming points the assignment etc... all I watch for is hat on hat and the ability to sustain a block. George Fant does this better than rees odhiambo and a lot of the other tackles on the roster. Watching Duanne Brown although even he is not perfect was a breath of fresh air.... meaning this line had a way to go last year. I do however believe that just because the games are not on the t.v. these dudes don't just sit on there asses. There are plenty of players that take a couple of years to get there feet under themselves in the league. I am not be an optimistic homer ... I am being honest... it doesn't always happen that an offensive lineman comes into the league and dominants from the first rookie mini camp like Hutch or Big Walt. Sometimes yes it takes these dudes a couple of season's AND offseason's to get it going.
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  • JPC4Days wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    JPC4Days wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    He really didn't. If you didn't watch his play carefully and see the constant errors over the season, you're in disagreement with most analysts, like this guy:

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/8/13 ... -breakdown

    That breaks down one of his better games. It came before the Arizona game I mentioned and also references the Dec. 1 contest against Tampa negatively as well. As in, "disastrous".

    Fant is a classic Cable pick. Raw strength and athleticism, a hunk of rubber for football brains. If you can develop him, you've got a top-tier NFL lineman. Sounds great in theory, but I'll let you figure out how well that worked for all the other Cable projects we've tried - Odhiambo, Ifedi, Glowinski. Same profile, same result.

    Of course he's doing well for a guy who never played starting football since junior high. That doesn't change the fact that Russell Wilson needs more than that. He needs an NFL-caliber protector. Why do all the fans who worry for Wilson's life behind that line, and trash Pete and John for using first-round draft picks on ANYTHING other than offensive linemen, suddenly give Fant a pass because he didn't play starting football since junior high? It is the weirdest thing.

    I'm not ruling him out. I am saying he hasn't earned squat, and I don't want Wilson standing behind him unless 2018 is a massive development step forward for him. His work ethic and intensity, and the presence of Mike Solari, do bode somewhat well for this possibility.


    Yes I do disagree with that guy on you... maybe not on the specific plays but in what it means... and he never had a clean play ... did you really just write that?


    No, I didn't. I disagreed on your assertion that he had so many more clean plays. Consistency seems to be the issue here.

    Since 75% of your posts up to this point have been about Fant, I should probably say that if you ARE George Fant, I've got nothing against you. I hope you succeed - you've got crazy tools and I respect how hard you've worked.



    I rewatch games ... I might not be an "expert" "analyst" but at least I can admit that I don't have all the play information. Like the aiming points the assignment etc... all I watch for is hat on hat and the ability to sustain a block. George Fant does this better than rees odhiambo and a lot of the other tackles on the roster. Watching Duanne Brown although even he is not perfect was a breath of fresh air.... meaning this line had a way to go last year. I do however believe that just because the games are not on the t.v. these dudes don't just sit on there asses. There are plenty of players that take a couple of years to get there feet under themselves in the league. I am not be an optimistic homer ... I am being honest... it doesn't always happen that an offensive lineman comes into the league and dominants from the first rookie mini camp like Hutch or Big Walt. Sometimes yes it takes these dudes a couple of season's AND offseason's to get it going.


    you want to turn this sideway's? let's go man... but like what's your deal .. what's your point?
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Re: George Fant to RT
Tue May 01, 2018 3:21 pm
  • penihawk wrote:I'm pretty sure Ifedi will play himself into his most obvious natural position at some point this year, backup on the bench. If I'm correct about that ,how does the line look with Ifedi's name not in the lineup?


    Better?
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