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  • Updates on the Earl Thomas situation are few and far between but Jason La Canfora is still suggesting a trade is on the cards:

    The Giants are not inclined to pay Beckham what the market will yield him elsewhere, and, likewise, Thomas is not in line to get another payday from Seattle at this point. Both teams are transitioning – if not rebuilding – and holding on to these star players won’t make much sense. Beckham’s holdout would be a mess for the Giants, and while Thomas won’t fetch the first-and-third the Seahawks hoped for, he’ll land multiple other picks.

    La Canfora predicts Thomas will be dealt before the start of the draft — in three weeks time.

    This still feels like a stalemate. The Seahawks are clearly open to offers but don’t want to lose a future Hall-of-Famer on the cheap. Interested parties know the Seahawks are re-tooling and need picks. The longer they wait, the more likely it is the price comes down.

    So the wait goes on. And it could go on beyond the draft. ‘No deal’ is a possibility. It has to be. You can’t just give Thomas away. Then the Seahawks run the risk of losing Thomas in free agency for no more than a comp pick in 2019. Franchising him is an option — but this is a team seemingly unwilling to hand out big contracts at the moment.

    You might say, why don’t they just keep him? And they might. But I think we can say with some certainty now — they won’t be giving him a third contract. So one way or another a parting of ways is on the cards. Whether that’s in the next three weeks, a year or two years.

    Why would they even entertain moving him? It’s not an easy question to answer on the outside looking in. But it looks like it comes down to two things:

    1. A desire to avoid long, expensive contracts for ageing players
    2. A need to replenish the lost draft stock

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  • Trading either of these 2 would be beyond dumb.
    I think at times JS and PC get a little “overconfident” in their drafting/trading ability’s.
    Rarely do you get better by trading away your best players, especially when you haven’t drafted that well for a few years.
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  • Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.
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  • This is what happens when the media gets involved, the titles disgruntled, cancers, etc start getting thrown around and a players stock starts to drop like Shermans did, now you have teams that will low ball because they feel your in a market of need to unload. Not that the player has lost anything yet, but because your on record as saying you want to move them. It's why we seem to get less then what we think a players value is where teams like the Patriots and Rams appear to get more then value.
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  • I for sure think Earl gets traded within a week or so.
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  • I don't think they need to rush a deal before the draft and see nothing wrong with a first day of the draft deal going down. There can be just as much argument that a first day team may not get the guy they want and will see a better use of a later first round pick and another late 2nd or early third day pick for ET.

    It may even just be a early 2nd and 3rd, or something like that at the end of the first day. Too soon to say right now.

    But I really think it is time to move on from the last LOB member that will suit up again (Kam is done).
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  • IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.

    So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.
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  • 2_0_6 wrote:I for sure think Earl gets traded within a week or so.


    Cleveland needs a safety real bad, they also need stars to help selling tickets.


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  • toffee wrote:
    2_0_6 wrote:I for sure think Earl gets traded within a week or so.


    Cleveland needs a safety real bad, they also need stars to help selling tickets.


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    So will Seattle if they do what some here want.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.

    So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.

    Wagner is younger and a great piece to rebuild around..KJ not so much
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  • toffee wrote:
    2_0_6 wrote:I for sure think Earl gets traded within a week or so.


    Cleveland needs a safety real bad, they also need stars to help selling tickets.


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    Notice the Browns got rid of every QB except that one they got recently.
    A Earl and RW trade would bring a lot of their nice picks..Just saying that
    They will pay them two and have plenty of space to do so easily and they need
    to win now.
    We clear the space and grab say Darnold and a nice RB?
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  • Russell Wilson will be traded this year .....after Hell freezes over!!
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.

    So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.



    Which team did Bobby or KJ ask to come and get them? Also, which of them called out team mates' performance? I love Earl, but if we are rebuilding as it seems, trade him and take the picks.
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  • I'm on the fence with Earl...but if we dump RW3 in the HIGH HOPES of landing another QB of his caliber (on field AND off the field cache) then I will personally blow Schneiders car...ok, let me just chill.
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  • All media BS
    Have a heart to heart and come to an agreement with earl and Wilson is good as is with a new deal coming and many years left in that tank I think the whole things made up and overblown cuz ,,, there is zero else to get clicks on your freakin site otherwise and advertisers want clicks and you wanna pay your mortgage :pukeface: :pukeface: :pukeface: :177692: :177692: :177692: :177692: :177692:
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    2_0_6 wrote:I for sure think Earl gets traded within a week or so.


    Cleveland needs a safety real bad, they also need stars to help selling tickets.


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    Notice the Browns got rid of every QB except that one they got recently.
    A Earl and RW trade would bring a lot of their nice picks..Just saying that
    They will pay them two and have plenty of space to do so easily and they need
    to win now.
    We clear the space and grab say Darnold and a nice RB?

    Darnold is severely over-rated IMHO.
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  • EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.

    So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.



    Which team did Bobby or KJ ask to come and get them? Also, which of them called out team mates' performance? I love Earl, but if we are rebuilding as it seems, trade him and take the picks.

    So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.
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  • Russ is going nowhere.

    Earl is likely gone IMO.

    I’m predicting Tampa trades for him, giving their 2nd this year + 5th this year and second next year.
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  • So if we trade Russell Wilson for draft picks and get Barkley and a QB, will the team be better? We will have a lot more money to extend Duane Brown, Frank Clark (which I think we should do anyway), and??? There are no FAs worth signing to big contracts right now so it won't help us much this season, even if our offense improves more than if we would've kept Wilson. We could re-sign Jarran Reed next year and buy some shiny new FAs! I keep reading here how that's going to blow up for the Rams but I'm bet it'll be totally justifiable when we do it.

    Also, Earl Thomas is around 14 months older than Bobby Wagner... there really isn't that big of an age difference.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.

    So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.



    Which team did Bobby or KJ ask to come and get them? Also, which of them called out team mates' performance? I love Earl, but if we are rebuilding as it seems, trade him and take the picks.

    So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.


    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.
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  • Half ass rebuild?

    I’m not sure there’s much left they can do outside of trading Wilson. Other than that, seems more of revolution of older players.

    ET is one. Trading him just stays the line of the other moves.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.


    So........... You think Russell Wilson will be "old" in two to three years? He wont even be thirty. And considering Brady was just named league mvp at forty........
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  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.


    So........... You think Russell Wilson will be "old" in two to three years? He wont even be thirty. And considering Brady was just named league mvp at forty........


    Russ turns 30 this November.
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  • original poster wrote:Russ is going nowhere.

    Earl is likely gone IMO.

    I’m predicting Tampa trades for him, giving their 2nd this year + 5th this year and second next year.


    I will take that. Earl isn’t someone any team should keep around to teach and mentor the youngsters.


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  • As the days go on and the more rumors that are floated out on Twitter, it sounds like Tampa might be the team most interested. Their 1st round pick is untouchable, but their 2nd and 3rd rounders are in great spots. They need safety help, and have been tied to taking Derwin James at #7 who just so happens to have the same agent as Earl. Having an ET, James combo back there would be damn good.

    I would be happy with this deal:

    Tampa Gets:
    Earl Thomas

    Hawks get:
    Tampas '18 second rounder (38), '18 third rounder (69th overall) and a '19 second rounder.

    If this did go down, I would then slide money to Eric Reid and role a Reid McDouglad safety combo out next year.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Half ass rebuild?

    I’m not sure there’s much left they can do outside of trading Wilson. Other than that, seems more of revolution of older players.

    ET is one. Trading him just stays the line of the other moves.

    Trading Bobby, KJ, Baldwin etc etc...... not that it’s my first choice, just saying that if you trade Earl and Russ you might as well finish the job by getting a crap load of draft picks and cap space by getting rid of expensive talent.
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  • EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:So using your logic you are good with trading Wagner and KJ too?
    Both are expensive and their stock will never be higher right?

    BTW cap space already opens up in 2019 and even more in 2020.

    You either keep Russ and Earl (preferred IMHO) or you dump/trade all of your high priced talent.

    Half assing rebuilds is how you get the 2003-2017 Seattle Mariners type teams that are stuck in mediocrity hell for a decade plus.

    Crap or get off the pot when it comes to rebuilding.



    Which team did Bobby or KJ ask to come and get them? Also, which of them called out team mates' performance? I love Earl, but if we are rebuilding as it seems, trade him and take the picks.

    So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.


    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.

    Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    EverydayImRusselin wrote:

    Which team did Bobby or KJ ask to come and get them? Also, which of them called out team mates' performance? I love Earl, but if we are rebuilding as it seems, trade him and take the picks.

    So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.


    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.

    Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.


    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.



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  • original poster wrote:
    Jimjones0384 wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Why is it dumb?
    If your not going to win SB's with those two then it's time to get younger and healthy cap wise.
    Why wait in 2-3 years when they are old and bring nothing but hell to the cap situation
    and you cannot trade them for much if anything.


    So........... You think Russell Wilson will be "old" in two to three years? He wont even be thirty. And considering Brady was just named league mvp at forty........


    Russ turns 30 this November.

    If he didn't play the way he does 30 is nothing but no he sandlots
    and bails all the time unscripted besides the planned runs,
    He has taken many hits and been sacked many times more than say
    the pocket QB's.This takes it's toll and leads to injuries.
    He is a tough man but he is on borrowed time till he gets injured.
    Once he does do you think he will run as always?I have to think
    of him like a RB anyway so he will be getting slower like one does.
    His style of play is just not good for long and I never want to see a
    a slower RW in Seattle getting 35-40 million a year.The thought of
    that happening makes me sick.This why I keep pushing for a trade
    now.We are not likely going to a SB for a while anyway so lets get
    the max value now and get ahead of the game before it's too late.
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  • toffee wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.


    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.

    Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.


    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.



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    I disagree. Earl is an emotional player and his timing of this was Gawd awful.

    So you want to punish him by sending him to Cleveland where he will still make multimillions Of dollars?
    He already has a ring and Seattle is in rebuild mode, so losing here, in *allas, or Cleveland isn’t much different, and not the punishment you think it is. .....but hey, you’ll feel better, so you’ll have that going for you.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    toffee wrote:
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    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.

    Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.


    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.



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    I disagree. Earl is an emotional player and his timing of this was Gawd awful.

    So you want to punish him by sending him to Cleveland where he will still make multimillions Of dollars?
    He already has a ring and Seattle is in rebuild mode, so losing here, in *allas, or Cleveland isn’t much different, and not the punishment you think it is. .....but hey, you’ll feel better, so you’ll have that going for you.


    Desperate teams are more likely to overpaid, bottom dwellers are more likely to be desperate. It’s a package deal.

    Hawks can’t have earl on this team, we must trade him to wherever we can get the most return.

    Really quite simple.


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  • toffee wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.


    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.



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    I disagree. Earl is an emotional player and his timing of this was Gawd awful.

    So you want to punish him by sending him to Cleveland where he will still make multimillions Of dollars?
    He already has a ring and Seattle is in rebuild mode, so losing here, in *allas, or Cleveland isn’t much different, and not the punishment you think it is. .....but hey, you’ll feel better, so you’ll have that going for you.



    Desperate teams are more likely to overpaid, bottom dwellers are more likely to be desperate. It’s a package deal.

    Hawks can’t have earl on this team, we must trade him to wherever we can get the most return.

    Really quite simple.


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    I respectfully disagree. I don’t think it’s that simple and I don’t think he is the cancer that you think he is.
    Of course you “listen to offers”.... if you don’t get your price then you tell the other party no.

    You don’t trade a guy because some fans had their feelings hurt.
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  • 2_0_6 wrote:As the days go on and the more rumors that are floated out on Twitter, it sounds like Tampa might be the team most interested. Their 1st round pick is untouchable, but their 2nd and 3rd rounders are in great spots. They need safety help, and have been tied to taking Derwin James at #7 who just so happens to have the same agent as Earl. Having an ET, James combo back there would be damn good.

    I would be happy with this deal:

    Tampa Gets:
    Earl Thomas

    Hawks get:
    Tampas '18 second rounder (38), '18 third rounder (69th overall) and a '19 second rounder.

    If this did go down, I would then slide money to Eric Reid and role a Reid McDouglad safety combo out next year.
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    Tampa don't have a third this year unfortunately, that's why my proposed deal included the 2019 2nd which is very handy as we don't have a 2019 second currently.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.



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    I disagree. Earl is an emotional player and his timing of this was Gawd awful.

    So you want to punish him by sending him to Cleveland where he will still make multimillions Of dollars?
    He already has a ring and Seattle is in rebuild mode, so losing here, in *allas, or Cleveland isn’t much different, and not the punishment you think it is. .....but hey, you’ll feel better, so you’ll have that going for you.



    Desperate teams are more likely to overpaid, bottom dwellers are more likely to be desperate. It’s a package deal.

    Hawks can’t have earl on this team, we must trade him to wherever we can get the most return.

    Really quite simple.


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    I respectfully disagree. I don’t think it’s that simple and I don’t think he is the cancer that you think he is.
    Of course you “listen to offers”.... if you don’t get your price then you tell the other party no.

    You don’t trade a guy because some fans had their feelings hurt.


    I think in Earl’s case, it was the feelings of Paul and Pete were hurt.


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  • I highly doubt Paul Allen's feelings are hurt by anything a player says or does, but thats about as speculative as any of this stuff about Earl being a team cancer.
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  • "Rebuilding" in the NFL isn't like other sports where it takes many years. There's no farm talent to restock, the bulk of outstanding contacts are non-guaranteed, and hitting on one single draft can provide enough cheap talent playing below their market value to have a very competitive team. Just look at how teams rise and fall like yo-yos and you'll notice it's rare for a team to stay good (or bad) for long.

    The reason to trade a player like Earl is because you think it will make you better in the near future. This is still possible without getting a player of the same talent in return if you get player(s) with equal or better value (rookies, prove it vets, etc.). It's plausible that we would have a better overall team in 2019 taking the $14m that Earl wants and spending it on improving several other areas. That's the argument for trading Earl, not some sort of baseball equivalent long-term rebuild where you ditch all the vets in exchange for adding to your farm system.
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  • toffee wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
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    Sports Hernia wrote:So you want to punish him because he hurt your feelings??? LOL, alrighty then.

    My point is if you are going to rebuild, go ALL IN, get maximum number of picks, getting maximum cap space by getting rid of huge contracts, thusly severely reducing time of rebuild and making your team a super bowl contender sooner.

    Half assing a rebuild will only lengthen the time the team will suck and not contend.
    Like I said I’d rather keep Earl and Russ, but don’t want to see some half assed rebuild.


    It's about the attitude, not my feelings. Like I said I love Earl. But disrespecting your teammates and showing he's not all in, combined with age and the fairly high likelihood he is walking after next season anyway, and I say trade him.

    Has Earl never “brought it” on the field. If you read what he said, he said to *allas “when Seattle is done with me, come get me”. As much as I hate Jerruh’s kids, you/I have to remember that *allas is Earl’s hometown team. It would be no different than a player with northwest roots wanting to play for the Hawks before his career is the done, bad timing on Earls part but the statement isn’t as poisonous as some want it to be. Way too much butthurt over his statement IMHO.


    Ran into cowboys’ locker to showboat a statement like that? Why not have his agent called jerry? That’s what agents are for. Why not arrange dinner with cowboys’ front office that night? Running into cowboys locker room was a finger to the Hawks, was a statement, pure and simple.

    After a tough win, Earl wasn’t interested in Pete’s post game talk, wasn’t interested in celebrating with teammates. Earl RAN into the wrong locker room to PIMP his service.

    His act was as poisonous as it comes to destroying team unity and his coaches’ credibility as it comes.

    I like it if he could be traded to Cleveland or one of the bottom dwellers.


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  • AgentDib wrote:"Rebuilding" in the NFL isn't like other sports where it takes many years. There's no farm talent to restock, the bulk of outstanding contacts are non-guaranteed, and hitting on one single draft can provide enough cheap talent playing below their market value to have a very competitive team. Just look at how teams rise and fall like yo-yos and you'll notice it's rare for a team to stay good (or bad) for long.

    The reason to trade a player like Earl is because you think it will make you better in the near future. This is still possible without getting a player of the same talent in return if you get player(s) with equal or better value (rookies, prove it vets, etc.). It's plausible that we would have a better overall team in 2019 taking the $14m that Earl wants and spending it on improving several other areas. That's the argument for trading Earl, not some sort of baseball equivalent long-term rebuild where you ditch all the vets in exchange for adding to your farm system.


    It's all about windows.

    Our SB window with the majority of players Pete and John drafted in their first couple years is closed.

    So now it' onto the next window, which if Pete and John draft well again, and be smart about the cap should be in another 2-3 years before we're ready to seriously compete.

    That's why there's no monster extension for Earl, because by the time this team's ready to compete again for a SB, he's going to be on the downhill slide.........if he even makes it that far with his injury history and "I'M RETIRING!!" volatile personality.

    So why pay him Eric Berry money over the next 5-6 years when we desperately need the picks and cap space? For a very good player, but a very expensive player that's now an annual injury risk.
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  • original poster wrote:
    2_0_6 wrote:As the days go on and the more rumors that are floated out on Twitter, it sounds like Tampa might be the team most interested. Their 1st round pick is untouchable, but their 2nd and 3rd rounders are in great spots. They need safety help, and have been tied to taking Derwin James at #7 who just so happens to have the same agent as Earl. Having an ET, James combo back there would be damn good.

    I would be happy with this deal:

    Tampa Gets:
    Earl Thomas

    Hawks get:
    Tampas '18 second rounder (38), '18 third rounder (69th overall) and a '19 second rounder.

    If this did go down, I would then slide money to Eric Reid and role a Reid McDouglad safety combo out next year.
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    Tampa don't have a third this year unfortunately, that's why my proposed deal included the 2019 2nd which is very handy as we don't have a 2019 second currently.


    Where are you seeing that they don't have a third? Every mock draft site I have looked at states they do.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:It's all about windows.... So now it' onto the next window, which if Pete and John draft well again, and be smart about the cap should be in another 2-3 years before we're ready to seriously compete.

    I just completely disagree with this line of thinking. I think it falls out of the narrative fallacy where we look to cycles to explain why teams go up and down, but nobody ever gets it right looking forwards. There's a lot of uncertainty in a sport with only 16 games and then single elimination playoffs. The team that wins every year isn't the one with the perfect roster but the one that got hot at the right time.

    The Eagles didn't win because they had a long-term rebuilding arc that led them into a "window", they had a great front seven that was strongly buoyed by cheap veteran contracts: Long for 3.1m, Ngata for 3.0m, Jernigan for 5m, Graham for 7m. They were paying fair market price for their superstar (Fletcher Cox $17.9m).

    In my view the only reason why "windows" close in the NFL is when front offices commit too many resources to the present and turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy like we did last season.
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  • Nothing will happen. This is all wild speculation. Welcome to the new millennia, where bullshit reigns supreme.

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  • 2_0_6 wrote:
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    2_0_6 wrote:As the days go on and the more rumors that are floated out on Twitter, it sounds like Tampa might be the team most interested. Their 1st round pick is untouchable, but their 2nd and 3rd rounders are in great spots. They need safety help, and have been tied to taking Derwin James at #7 who just so happens to have the same agent as Earl. Having an ET, James combo back there would be damn good.

    I would be happy with this deal:

    Tampa Gets:
    Earl Thomas

    Hawks get:
    Tampas '18 second rounder (38), '18 third rounder (69th overall) and a '19 second rounder.

    If this did go down, I would then slide money to Eric Reid and role a Reid McDouglad safety combo out next year.
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    Tampa don't have a third this year unfortunately, that's why my proposed deal included the 2019 2nd which is very handy as we don't have a 2019 second currently.


    Where are you seeing that they don't have a third? Every mock draft site I have looked at states they do.


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    In my view the only reason why "windows" close in the NFL is when front offices commit too many resources to the present and turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy like we did last season.


    Right, and the only way to fix the problem of having no picks and no cap space is to jettison those contracts and stockpile picks using your most valuable players...........and right now the only players we have that have major trade value and bloated contracts are Earl, Russell and Wagner.

    We're not trading Bobby or Russell, so you do the math. If you keep Earl, you're prolonging the re-build because you don't have enough picks this year, or even next to fill all the holes on this roster right now.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    In my view the only reason why "windows" close in the NFL is when front offices commit too many resources to the present and turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy like we did last season.


    Right, and the only way to fix the problem of having no picks and no cap space is to jettison those contracts and stockpile picks using your most valuable players...........and right now the only players we have that have major trade value and bloated contracts are Earl, Russell and Wagner.

    We're not trading Bobby or Russell, so you do the math. If you keep Earl, you're prolonging the re-build because you don't have enough picks this year, or even next to fill all the holes on this roster right now.


    Then we just got burned BAD on the Duanne Brown trade giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for him. We would be glad to get that for Earl at this point! :141847_bnono:
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    In my view the only reason why "windows" close in the NFL is when front offices commit too many resources to the present and turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy like we did last season.


    Right, and the only way to fix the problem of having no picks and no cap space is to jettison those contracts and stockpile picks using your most valuable players...........and right now the only players we have that have major trade value and bloated contracts are Earl, Russell and Wagner.

    We're not trading Bobby or Russell, so you do the math. If you keep Earl, you're prolonging the re-build because you don't have enough picks this year, or even next to fill all the holes on this roster right now.


    Then we just got burned BAD on the Duanne Brown trade giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for him. We would be glad to get that for Earl at this point! :141847_bnono:


    Sure, we'd obviously rather get a 1st, but if we're not going to give him the monster extension he wants? Then why hold onto him through a rebuild?

    Take the 2nd and 3rd, and maybe you get a decent player as well.
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  • Seymour wrote:Then we just got burned BAD on the Duanne Brown trade giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for him. We would be glad to get that for Earl at this point! :141847_bnono:

    Which is why I was unhappy with the Brown/Richardson moves, the contract adjustments for RW and Baldwin, and giving Kam that much guaranteed money. If we don't go all-in that way then we're likely not even having this "rebuild vs. reload" discussion right now. However, even teams like the Saints have shown that you can pull off a complete fire sale/dump year but then be competitive again very quickly just by hitting on a couple of key rookies in a draft.

    The glass-half full take on Brown is that he was hampered due to injury last season; he has said he was as low as 50% effective due to his injury at one point. There's hope that the Brown deal could look better next season if he's fully healthy, although that's a question mark in itself at his age.
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