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  • With the tone of this off season I kind of get the feeling something surprising will happen on draft day like trading a big name on our team for more picks or someting else? Just not sure what that something else could be?

    When the draft is over I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us say, "wow, I didn't see that happening".

    Trying to predict Pete and John on draft day is kind of impossible, even for the experts.
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  • I think they trade Earl to some team to grab a late first or an early 2nd...
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  • Earl+our first (and possibly more) to trade up to 4 and grab Saquon Barkley
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  • Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.
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  • Hollandhawk wrote:Earl+our first (and possibly more) to trade up to 4 and grab Saquon Barkley
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  • Not trading back with the first pick would be a huge surprise!
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  • HawkGA wrote:Not trading back with the first pick would be a huge surprise!


    Beat me to it. I see no way we keep a first when it could turn into a second and third, maybe.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.


    100 to 1 odds for $100 ?? :roll:

    Wishful thinking.
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  • HawkGA wrote:Not trading back with the first pick would be a huge surprise!

    Here's my surprise. Not only do they not trade back, but they use the 18th pick on Baker Mayfield, who slips down to them.
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  • “Biggest surprise” trading up to No 1 and taking a player nobody ever heard of

    Biggest likely surprise - not trading down
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  • Trading our 1st for a late 2nd and late 3rd and taking Shaquem Griffin with one of those picks. I just have a strange feeling they are going to make a play for him for some reason.
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  • Taking a QB in the first.
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  • Is there such a thing as a "Fan Revolt"? We would sure find out IF they traded away RW. I can see "burning season tickets" parties and games with 3500 total people in attendance. This fan base and the Seahawks top brass would be very much at odds with each other and that could be the end of the franchise.
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  • Not trading out of the first round would surprise me.
    Trading Russ or Earl would be beyond stupid.
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  • A WOW, I didn't see that coming -

    Drafting Vita Vea at 18. He should go before our pick, and we have already added d-lineman to the reserve. If he's there we should consider it, but I think they would still trade down for extra picks.


    The only other thing that would shock me is adding a pure athlete over "a football baller". I think we have learned our lesson. We need dawgs with a nasty personality!
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  • They keep the 18th pick and grab a kicker with it. Lmao.

    It could happen. This is Pete Carroll we're talking about.

    Before you say it could not happen, just remember, he decided to pass instead...
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  • The biggest surprise Seattle could pull on draft day is using their first pick on someone that would actually get fans excited instead of sending them back to Mel Kiper's archives muttering "Who?".
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  • Or we make a pick and the board says we know who that is.
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  • We end up making 5 selections by the end of day 2.
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  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:Is there such a thing as a "Fan Revolt"? We would sure find out IF they traded away RW. I can see "burning season tickets" parties and games with 3500 total people in attendance. This fan base and the Seahawks top brass would be very much at odds with each other and that could be the end of the franchise.

    It wouldn't be a popular decision of course.The RW/fantasy and bandwagon fans may well leave.
    At the end there will still be a Blue Pride waiting list and our Seahawks team will still sell out every game
    for a few seasons @ least...End of the franchise? :roll Look at the bold I put up above for this.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.

    Wow.
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  • Hmmm...I keep hearing PC and JS say they want to hit the reset button and go back to how they built the team in the first place. It wasn't making splash FA signings. No, they were low key trades (return specialist Leon Wasongton, DE Chris Clemons) trades with some risk (Beastmode) for picks and/or players.

    So, I can see the team trade down for picks and perhaps package picks and/or players for a RB or OLinemen, or LB.
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  • Biggest surprise would be standing pat with no 2nd or 3rd round pick. I do think Earl is in play but still doubt he goes. I would like to hold on to him with an extension, letting him stay the senior leader/cornerstone of the defense along with KJ Wright and Wagner.

    Next would be not drafting a RB before day three. Maybe Scarborough in the 4th if we do not go earlier.

    No fooling around with QB here. RW is like Brees, keep him here as long as we can. I just wish he would buck the NFL trend of breaking the bank for each contract - it has a clear direct influence on how good a team can be- O-line, defense, etc. Take a 2 year 50 million extension and make the other 50 mil in endorsements . Hire a quality vet (I say Kaep) as season insurance policy, and get a RFA for camp and PS (I like the kid from South Dakota).
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  • The biggest surprise would be not screwing it up.

    I fully expect them to trade down, pass up a good player that fills a hole we have then get someone in a !ower round instead that does not fill the hole and won't become an impact player.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:The biggest surprise would be not screwing it up.

    I fully expect them to trade down, pass up a good player that fills a hole we have then get someone in a !ower round instead that does not fill the hole and won't become an impact player.


    100% accurate but their first pick (whenever it is) will be a reach.
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  • NJlargent wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:The biggest surprise would be not screwing it up.

    I fully expect them to trade down, pass up a good player that fills a hole we have then get someone in a !ower round instead that does not fill the hole and won't become an impact player.


    100% accurate but their first pick (whenever it is) will be a reach.


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  • Seymour wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.


    100 to 1 odds for $100 ?? :roll:

    Wishful thinking.

    on RW being traded or on RW being on the way out? It's relevant because our brain trust has a proclivity to let elite players walk vs trading them.
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  • brimsalabim wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.


    100 to 1 odds for $100 ?? :roll:

    Wishful thinking.

    on RW being traded or on RW being on the way out? It's relevant because our brain trust has a proclivity to let elite players walk vs trading them.


    The thread is about this years draft. So the "offer" is about him getting traded this season to gain draft capitol for this years draft.
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  • This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.
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  • I'll be surprised if they nail this draft. Period.
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  • chris98251 wrote:This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.

    I don’t see Falk having a successful or long NFL career.
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  • chris98251 wrote:This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.

    Good post...
    I would think if the big trades happen they will want someone who is mobile and Davis really is if
    people take the time to look his stats and 40 time going back to his pre draft days.
    Mayfield fits as one of the picks as well if they get the right ones.
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  • chris98251 wrote:This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.


    I think they want to do that, but that hasn't been true for us for a while. Our pass attempts have gone way up the past few years. not that they're particularly high relative to the league, but we were 32nd for Wilson's first three years. I just don't see us winning games like that any more. Get rid of Wilson and replace him with a rookie who won't be as good as Wilson is now, but is much cheaper. We need a Marshawn Lynch caliber RB and a historically good defense to replicate what we had. Wilson played no small part in that success either. He's still #2 in passer rating and was very, very efficient throughout his rookie contract. Is Luke Falk going to be near that good as a rookie? I doubt it. I doubt Mayfield or the other top QBs will be as rookies either.

    The team that seems most similar to what we did and what Pete says he wants to do is the Jags, who play top-tier defense and pretty much ram Fournette into the line while minimizing Bortles. Their defense is way better than ours will be for the forseeable future, the only back as good as or better than Fournette (supposedly) is is Barkley, and their OL is very solid, which we can't say for ours just yet. The direction I wanted to go was what the Eagles, Vikings, Chiefs, Rams, Niners, Saints, Pats etc. have been doing with innovative offenses and creative playcalling. That's the way the successful offenses are run these days, but Pete doesn't want to do it. IMO we are going to need greatness at the QB position to overcome the gap in gameplanning and if we trade Russ we are likely losing out on that.
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  • chris98251 wrote:This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.

    I don't think for a moment that we only ask our QB to "manage games". That may have been the case in Russ's first few years, but since 2015 Russ has put up 4,000 yards in the air (this year he was 14 yards away) and this year he also led the league in touchdowns. If you include his rushing yards since 2015, his overall yardage is off the charts. I wouldn't call that "just managing". If we go even further, Carson Palmer, and Leinart had a bigger role in the offense under Carroll than just game manager.

    I don't think trading Wilson makes much sense from the prospective of Pete Carroll either. The guy won't be around for much longer. He is the oldest coach in the NFL at the moment. He probably has one or two more years left at the most. Building around Wilson is his only shot at getting another title. Trading Wilson would be a huge gamble on both Carroll's and Schneider's part. If the gamble doesn't pay off immediately, both their jobs are gone. Josh Allen, Darnold, Mayfeild etc. would be a game manager at best, giant bust at worst. I'm especially skeptical of Josh Allen. Luke Falk is a horrible idea as well. The guy is injury prone, and he plays in a college system that does not translate to the NFL at all. I don't think I can name one QB that has been successful from the air-raid system.
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  • Whatever they do, you can almost guarantee people will freak out, so there is that.
    The chances they pick someone people haven't heard of or wasn't on the radar are pretty strong. I still think they trade down to get back something in the 2nd and/or 3rd.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Whatever they do, you can almost guarantee people will freak out, so there is that.
    The chances they pick someone people haven't heard of or wasn't on the radar are pretty strong. I still think they trade down to get back something in the 2nd and/or 3rd.


    Well, you know the 'brain trust' around here. Trade Wilson, trade up and grab Aaron Curry because we've heard of him and Mel Kiper says yes, blah blah blah. :roll:
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  • I'll let them do their jobs and see how it plays out. Would be really surprised if they don't trade down. 18 should be able to get them a pretty good return and get some of those missing picks back.
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  • They stay at 18 but trade a player we didn’t think they’d trade and pick again in the second round.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • Biggest surprise? Not trading down in the first.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.


    100 to 1 odds for $100 ?? :roll:

    Wishful thinking.


    Isn't suggesting Wilson may be gone the opposite of wishful thinking?
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:This is going to be about how smart John and Pete think they are. Wilson and Earl could be gone, the return on investment is the biggest issue. If they feel they can get cheaper and still get a player with big upside that has the buy in ear they will go that way. Schotty's ability to get the QB position to play the way he wants is going to also be a major factor, if he tells Pete that he is limited based on what Wilson can do and the ageing he will have happen over a 5 year contract maybe they could go another direction. Especially if the so called re tool plan is going to be a few seasons.

    30 million plus is a lot of help everywhere else on the roster, we ask the QB to manage games not really win them, Pete believes that the defense does that after all or he would have been a lot more reactive to us losing 49 and Bevell then.

    Imagine trading back and taking someone like Luke Falk after trading Wilson and Earl and signing Austin-Davis as a place holder.

    I don't think for a moment that we only ask our QB to "manage games". That may have been the case in Russ's first few years, but since 2015 Russ has put up 4,000 yards in the air (this year he was 14 yards away) and this year he also led the league in touchdowns. If you include his rushing yards since 2015, his overall yardage is off the charts. I wouldn't call that "just managing". If we go even further, Carson Palmer, and Leinart had a bigger role in the offense under Carroll than just game manager.

    I don't think trading Wilson makes much sense from the prospective of Pete Carroll either. The guy won't be around for much longer. He is the oldest coach in the NFL at the moment. He probably has one or two more years left at the most. Building around Wilson is his only shot at getting another title. Trading Wilson would be a huge gamble on both Carroll's and Schneider's part. If the gamble doesn't pay off immediately, both their jobs are gone. Josh Allen, Darnold, Mayfeild etc. would be a game manager at best, giant bust at worst. I'm especially skeptical of Josh Allen. Luke Falk is a horrible idea as well. The guy is injury prone, and he plays in a college system that does not translate to the NFL at all. I don't think I can name one QB that has been successful from the air-raid system.


    Wilson has done a lot of what you have stated, but of necessity not what Petes vison is about, blame that on Cable and Bevell. He wants that explosive aspect in a QB to be there, but not be the focal point, that would be the Running game to control clock and wear teams down, using the Air for explosive plays.
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  • lukerguy wrote:
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    IndyHawk wrote:Maybe RW is on his way out..It can happen do not kid yourselves.


    100 to 1 odds for $100 ?? :roll:

    Wishful thinking.


    Isn't suggesting Wilson may be gone the opposite of wishful thinking?


    Not if you are familiar with the posters history of wanting Wilson gone.
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  • Beat me to it, plenty of people on here not only want Russ gone, but actually believe the team would be just fine w/out him :?
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  • But, I'm gonna' say my bold prediction will be the Hawks taking Shaquem Griffin in the 3rd round (with a pick they get from a 1st round trade down)
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  • Earl and pick 18 to the Bucs for their 1.7 and we pick Barkley.
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  • Lamar Jackson would be a shocker, but I'd be really excited with that pick too. Dude is electric.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:But, I'm gonna' say my bold prediction will be the Hawks taking Shaquem Griffin in the 3rd round (with a pick they get from a 1st round trade down)



    Not Bold at all, we have a whole thread in the draft forum about him and he fits everything Pete wants.
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  • I predict that the Seahawks won't (for whatever reason) select a RB until the 60's, many will be sad when Barkley, Guice, Chubb, Jones & Johnson are all off the board. Then what? They pick a RB nobody is talking about; Rashaad Penney who will step in and instantly becomes the Seahawks kickoff returner and lead RB. The Seahawks don 't tend to tip their hand much with whom they show interest, especially on the first 2 days of the draft. Penney will be their early RB pick and I would expect they add 1 or 2 others in the later rounds/UDFA. The major benefit of the Penney selection in the 60's is that the Seahawks may be able to fill other major needs with earlier picks.
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  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:I predict that the Seahawks won't (for whatever reason) select a RB until the 60's, many will be sad when Barkley, Guice, Chubb, Jones & Johnson are all off the board. Then what? They pick a RB nobody is talking about; Rashaad Penney who will step in and instantly becomes the Seahawks kickoff returner and lead RB. The Seahawks don 't tend to tip their hand much with whom they show interest, especially on the first 2 days of the draft. Penney will be their early RB pick and I would expect they add 1 or 2 others in the later rounds/UDFA. The major benefit of the Penney selection in the 60's is that the Seahawks may be able to fill other major needs with earlier picks.


    Reason is salary and boom or bust percentages, they found Carson in the 7th and feel they have a good feel for RB's, Rawls a UDFA, Busted with Michael high pick in second round, that and when the contract comes up again it will be costly if he succeeds as a 1st rounder but not so much 2nd and lower. Why Lineman are what we go after a lot, base is usually a lot lower whether it's defense or offense. WR's are the same way typically. That's how we can afford good second contracts to guys that look at it as a blessing and not what were seeing right now with Earl. although he would be going into his third but his base started out higher as a first rounder.
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  • Biggest surprise would be actually picking at 18, and not trading down to get more picks.

    I would not be surprised at trading Earl, we've already told him we're not giving him the monster extension he's asking for...........so I don't see how this goes any other way.
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