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2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:38 am
  • Anyone tempted to get younger and cheaper at punter?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:43 am
  • I learned from Hauschka. Let's keep him around a little while longer.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:50 am
  • He was really poor this last season though, wasn't he?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:He was really poor this last season though, wasn't he?


    Yes.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:00 am
  • The draft class is much stronger at punter than it is at kicker, that's for sure.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:51 am
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:56 am
  • yep id punt him but who is available?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:18 am
  • If we need the 2M to sign a more important player, I'm all for cutting Ryan.

    He wasn't just mediocre last year, he was downright terrible. No reason to continue to pay him like a top 10 punter if he's not going to punt like it.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:20 am
  • original poster wrote:The draft class is much stronger at punter than it is at kicker, that's for sure.

    You must really follow the draft closely! :D
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:30 am

Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:40 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:If we need the 2M to sign a more important player, I'm all for cutting Ryan.

    He wasn't just mediocre last year, he was downright terrible. No reason to continue to pay him like a top 10 punter if he's not going to punt like it.

    As much as Ryan is a fan fave I agree with this. If we're cutting declining vets to save dollars a punter should be an easy cut
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:44 am
  • I say give him one more year, this time with decent punt coverage, and then decide.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:36 am
  • Really like the guy, but he's been meh to bad for a couple seasons so let's do it.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:08 am
  • All I can add is....

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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:20 am
  • iigakusei wrote:
    original poster wrote:The draft class is much stronger at punter than it is at kicker, that's for sure.

    You must really follow the draft closely! :D


    I don't usually but kept an eye on it this year given the obvious need at kicker and potential need at punter :)
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 am
  • I think people are just looking at punts based on how far they travel

    Ryan had a couple last year that clearly stated that he can punt as far or further than anybody in this league

    His mostly short punts were in my OPINION coaching decisions. He is not allowed to outpunt the coverage team especially when we weren't sure how good they would be......
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:53 am
  • IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:22 pm
  • When you have a offense that isn't doing well and a defense in transition a good punter can mask a lot of problems.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:26 pm
  • Keep him. He wasn't nearly as bad as some suggest.

    He was playing with mediocre support as much as RW was.

    He has another season maybe two left in the tank.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:33 pm
  • Like any other decision it depends on the alternative. There's no rush to cut him, but I'll bet we add to the competition at both P and K either via the draft or more likely UDFA. Then we see how things play out in Training Camp and the coaching staff can decide if Ryan is worth the price difference over alternative. Who's to say that a punter we brought in couldn't win the job straight up?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:41 pm
  • original poster wrote:IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.



    Which is my point. He tied for second longest in the NFL last season. Longest was 77 yards
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:13 am
  • But can the next punter throw a touchdown pass?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:03 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    original poster wrote:IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.



    Which is my point. He tied for second longest in the NFL last season. Longest was 77 yards


    Raw length doesn't matter that much without good hang time. We ranked #30 in net punt average. Definitely some of that is on the coverage, but plenty of blame falls on Ryan.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:24 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    mikeak wrote:
    original poster wrote:IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.



    Which is my point. He tied for second longest in the NFL last season. Longest was 77 yards


    Raw length doesn't matter that much without good hang time. We ranked #30 in net punt average. Definitely some of that is on the coverage, but plenty of blame falls on Ryan.


    1) I will continue to believe that Ryan is told to keep the punts shorter

    2) he had the 17th average length despite being tied for second longest punt if he year which to me prove point 1

    3) yes hang time matters agree 100%. Cannot find statistics comparing this though.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:33 pm
  • He was horrible last season...
    Whether that was for say an injury reason or he is just old..
    I think it's time to move on..I like the guy but age and money are factors..
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:03 am
  • I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:06 am
  • No way! We will be punting a lot next season and we need experience..
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:59 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    mikeak wrote:
    original poster wrote:IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.



    Which is my point. He tied for second longest in the NFL last season. Longest was 77 yards


    Raw length doesn't matter that much without good hang time..


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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:35 pm
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    mikeak wrote:
    original poster wrote:IIRC his longest punt last season was 74 yards, with his record being 77.



    Which is my point. He tied for second longest in the NFL last season. Longest was 77 yards


    Raw length doesn't matter that much without good hang time. We ranked #30 in net punt average. Definitely some of that is on the coverage, but plenty of blame falls on Ryan.


    The 77 yard punt resulted in a touchback. In the same game he had a 69 yard punt (also a touchback) but was negated for a roughing the kicker penalty.

    He was also part of the team that nearly set the record for punt return yards allowed.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 pm
  • original poster wrote:I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.



    I don't feel a lot of people get the true importance of special teams. That was a point when PC/JS rebuilt this team in 2010. All 3 stages need improvement. I know we are low on draft picks this year, if we don't bundle any of the 3 5th rd picks to move up, I would be all over Dickson in the 5th if he is still there. Ryan is just another piece we need to cut loose, overpaid for his performance.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:00 am
  • If Ryan went who would hold kicks?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:01 am
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:If Ryan went who would hold kicks?


    The punter that replaces him.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:03 am
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    UK_Seahawk wrote:If Ryan went who would hold kicks?


    The punter that replaces him.

    Is that a given though?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:54 am
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:52 am
  • original poster wrote:I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.

    Someone will overpay!!!
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:17 am
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    original poster wrote:I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.



    I don't feel a lot of people get the true importance of special teams. That was a point when PC/JS rebuilt this team in 2010. All 3 stages need improvement. I know we are low on draft picks this year, if we don't bundle any of the 3 5th rd picks to move up, I would be all over Dickson in the 5th if he is still there. Ryan is just another piece we need to cut loose, overpaid for his performance.



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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:39 pm
  • Storts wrote:
    12forlife wrote:
    original poster wrote:I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.



    I don't feel a lot of people get the true importance of special teams. That was a point when PC/JS rebuilt this team in 2010. All 3 stages need improvement. I know we are low on draft picks this year, if we don't bundle any of the 3 5th rd picks to move up, I would be all over Dickson in the 5th if he is still there. Ryan is just another piece we need to cut loose, overpaid for his performance.



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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:17 pm
  • 12forlife wrote:
    original poster wrote:I wonder if anyone 'pulls a Tampa Bay' in this draft for punter Michael Dickson? He could go as high as the third round.



    I don't feel a lot of people get the true importance of special teams. That was a point when PC/JS rebuilt this team in 2010. All 3 stages need improvement. I know we are low on draft picks this year, if we don't bundle any of the 3 5th rd picks to move up, I would be all over Dickson in the 5th if he is still there. Ryan is just another piece we need to cut loose, overpaid for his performance.


    Um, have any lottery numbers?
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:16 pm
  • So what are we going to do with the extra $2M this year and $3 next year.
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Re: 2 mill cap saving to cut Jon Ryan
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:19 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:So what are we going to do with the extra $2M this year and $3 next year.


    $552,861 of it will go on Dickson, that's for sure :D
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