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  • lukerguy wrote:You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.


    Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year? Get something now instead of nothing after this season.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    lukerguy wrote:You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.


    Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year? Get something now instead of nothing after this season.


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  • 2_0_6 wrote:
    Elemas wrote:Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
    Logic....forsaken.


    Always love the "hey lets keep the guy regardless of the cost" mantra even though he will likely walk next year with only a comp pick compensation.

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    The team only gets comp pick compensation if the incoming signings are less than the outgoings. As we’ve noticed this offseason that situation hasn’t happened for us despite the loss of many quality FAs because of the roster depth depth of numbers. Accordingly the certainty of knowing the compensation for Earl is better than hoping for a potential 3rd rd. pick in 2020. Let’s assess this rationally isn’t a 2018 possible 2nd and 3rd better than the equivalent of a 2018 5th?9

    Even if the team only got a couple of multiple picks 2nd and 3rd this draft that is far better compensation than a 2020 5th.

    Let’s all think rationally on the trade/not trade Thomas subject.

    I love the player and think he is a an exceptional and special player at his position BUT there is no way the team is going to give Thomas a 3rd contract at the level he wants of $70 million approx. with approx. half of that guaranteed. That contract won’t even make him paid better than Eric Berry and Earl is a better player by a significant quantum than Berry. In all this is a silly discussion or would be for the Patriots, who always do what is in the best interests of the team. I will be sad if he’s traded b/c I love the player as a player but in the end I remain a fan of the Seahawks w/o Bennett, Sherman, Thomas, or Chancellor, or Avril.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    lukerguy wrote:You guys are happy with a 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas? Dude is a first ballot HOF at age 28. SMH.


    Yes...he is not staying here passed this season. He is not getting extended so why keep him this year?


    Because he's good?

    Seriously, object permanence is at an all-time low around here. All I really have to do is post an Earl Thomas highlights video on here and people would quickly remember how many of our playoff runs wouldn't have happened without his clutch plays, instead of being so enamored with a potential fourth-round comp pick that could just as easily become Kris Durham as KJ Wright. But I can't post the video - I had Youtube blocked on my home laptop so I wouldn't waste so much time watching vids of fanmade Halo maps.

    I realize this isn't intangible, but that clutch gene matters. Few players in the NFL exhibit it, and Earl does. He also makes player around him better.

    Do I want him extended beyond 2018? Nah, his physical gift really will start to diminish past then, leaving him out of position for such clutch plays. But one more year of karate-chopping footballs out of various Rams' hands at the 0.4 yard line? Yeah, I think that's worth it right now.

    And for those of you worried about injury, let's keep in mind that people are still wringing their hands over having let Max Unger loose - and they wanted him gone because of injury risk.
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  • Elemas wrote:Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
    Logic....forsaken.

    I'd love for Thomas to stick around, but the guy is becoming a problem. He has mulled over retirement on twitter, he went into the Cowboys locker room, and told them to "come and get him". Thomas also publicly called out his teammates via twitter. He has conducted himself in a most unprofessional manor. The writing is on the wall, Thomas has checked out, I don't think he buys into Pete Carroll anymore.

    I don't necessarily think people want to let him go per say, they just don't like the baggage and and drama that he is bringing to the team. He is a great player, but given his actions, and twitter rants --- it is clear he really doesn't want to be in Seattle all that much. I don't even really think his mind is in the game anymore.
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  • Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.
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  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.


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  • With a rebuild, I see it. Emotions get involved when you see one of your favorite players on the chopping block. Even with a few rhetorical posts, I see the writing on the wall....

    It doesn't make it easier to accept lol.

    Sherm, Cliff, Kam, Sheldon....possibly ET too? I'm sure ET sees the writing on the wall as well. Perhaps that has drove some of his actions.

    He's one of three players that, at this point, I'd truly hate to loose. B-Wags and RW being the others.

    But...if he's out....he's out. If we can nab a Barkley or similar talent, it would ease the suffering.

    Witnessing teams such as the Rams...he'll, even the expectations on the retooled Niners start to build.....

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  • If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

    Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

    Will our team be better without him? yes
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  • Seahawkwalt1967 wrote:
    Northwest Seahawk wrote:Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.


    Spot on...
    I think Dallas caves and gives up a first.. they are all in w Dak being on his rookie contract

    Why do that when they can have a shot at James or Reid? Their being tight on cap space doesn't even affect that decision either.
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  • IrishNW wrote:If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

    Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

    Will our team be better without him? yes

    Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

    Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

    Will our team be better without him? yes

    Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.


    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL
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    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    Jerry is 75 and even though he seems to be in good health there are no guarantees. I'm guessing he stretches out and grabs for the ring.

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  • Ah draft season, people believe the scouting reports so much that they forget most players don't live up to their supposed potential.

    We will not be replacing Earl with a draft pick. I mean, sure, a player will take his place on field, but he won't be replace.
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    Even Cowgirls fans think Mike Fisher is full of crap. He is purely speculating his own opinion.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
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    Northwest Seahawk wrote:Let's get real there not resigning him after this season so now is the time to trade him or get nothing . Then there's the stunt he pulled in Dallas last year and the talk of a holdout. Were rebuilding the roster so this is the time and I think it's almost a certainty that he is traded in the next 2 weeks.


    Spot on...
    I think Dallas caves and gives up a first.. they are all in w Dak being on his rookie contract

    Why do that when they can have a shot at James or Reid? Their being tight on cap space doesn't even affect that decision either.


    Because Jerry wants to win now..Thomas is a proven commodity.
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  • IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

    Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

    Will our team be better without him? yes

    Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.


    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL

    Meh, Earl was announted to his "level." Basically every 1st round pick that isn't a bust is valued too high. Earl isn't a HOF player and plays in a very conservative defense. Having 25 picks and 10 FF after 8 years isn't all that. It's a good career, but not game changing. Reed had 46 picks by then. There's a lot of falsehood about Thomas. Every bit as much as Luke Keuchly for instance. Well, maybe except for one thing, but whatever.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:If Earl is causing tension on this team just get rid of him.

    Yes hes an elite player. no we wont replace him probably ever.

    Will our team be better without him? yes

    Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.


    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL

    Meh, Earl was announted to his "level." Basically every 1st round pick that isn't a bust is valued too high. Earl isn't a HOF player and plays in a very conservative defense. Having 25 picks and 10 FF after 8 years isn't all that. It's a good career, but not game changing. Reed had 46 picks by then. There's a lot of falsehood about Thomas. Every bit as much as Luke Keuchly for instance. Well, maybe except for one thing, but whatever.


    anyone who knows ball knows just how good ET is. You can bring up stats but stats don't tell the whole story

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  • IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.


    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL

    Meh, Earl was announted to his "level." Basically every 1st round pick that isn't a bust is valued too high. Earl isn't a HOF player and plays in a very conservative defense. Having 25 picks and 10 FF after 8 years isn't all that. It's a good career, but not game changing. Reed had 46 picks by then. There's a lot of falsehood about Thomas. Every bit as much as Luke Keuchly for instance. Well, maybe except for one thing, but whatever.


    anyone who knows ball knows just how good ET is. You can bring up stats but stats don't tell the whole story

    The game isn't played on a spreadsheet its played on the field

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  • IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Ever? You draft Justin Reid and he likely has the same career after 8 years.


    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL

    Meh, Earl was announted to his "level." Basically every 1st round pick that isn't a bust is valued too high. Earl isn't a HOF player and plays in a very conservative defense. Having 25 picks and 10 FF after 8 years isn't all that. It's a good career, but not game changing. Reed had 46 picks by then. There's a lot of falsehood about Thomas. Every bit as much as Luke Keuchly for instance. Well, maybe except for one thing, but whatever.


    anyone who knows ball knows just how good ET is. You can bring up stats but stats don't tell the whole story

    The game isn't played on a spreadsheet its played on the field

    He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    IrishNW wrote:
    so some college kid is on Earl Thomas's level already? Justin Reid has a lot to prove just like every other college football player thats ever been drafted. Even Earl had to prove he belonged in the NFL

    Meh, Earl was announted to his "level." Basically every 1st round pick that isn't a bust is valued too high. Earl isn't a HOF player and plays in a very conservative defense. Having 25 picks and 10 FF after 8 years isn't all that. It's a good career, but not game changing. Reed had 46 picks by then. There's a lot of falsehood about Thomas. Every bit as much as Luke Keuchly for instance. Well, maybe except for one thing, but whatever.


    anyone who knows ball knows just how good ET is. You can bring up stats but stats don't tell the whole story

    The game isn't played on a spreadsheet its played on the field

    He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.


    Well i dont anything about Anerican football but i do know american football since i played it since peewee here in my home country...america
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  • He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.


    He is the best FS in a generation, he is asked to do something very few have been asked to do and has done it. Play the deep and both sides of the field and run support, all at once. His stats don't show tackles and interceptions as much as others because teams don't challange him like they did his first two seasons.

    That's like saying Sherman was crap because he didn't have 11 interceptions every year, takes passing at him to make a pick, but people that just live off Fantasy Stats don't get that.
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    He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.


    He is the best FS in a generation, he is asked to do something very few have been asked to do and has done it. Play the deep and both sides of the field and run support, all at once. His stats don't show tackles and interceptions as much as others because teams don't challange him like they did his first two seasons.

    That's like saying Sherman was crap because he didn't have 11 interceptions every year, takes passing at him to make a pick, but people that just live off Fantasy Stats don't get that.

    He does not play both sides of the field. We still run cover 3 more than anything. He's made two plays in pass coverage on the deep sideline in his entire career that Sherm didn't tip to him. Seriously, look it up. It's cover 3. The FS has absolutely zero responsibility to the sideline in cover 3. That's all on the corners past 10 yards. We run cover 1 sometimes, but Earl absolutely does not make plays on the deep sideline. It's happened twice in 8 years.

    Outside of this being a scheme issue, there's proof of it. Earls' main responsibility is deciding if there's a post route that he needs to worry about or coming up on a TE or slot seam route when one of the two short zone guys hands off to the deep middle.
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  • He gets traded or we maybe possibly hopefully get some compensation for him in 2020.

    The team keeps him here for 2018 but there is little chance we pay him $78 million over 5 year with $30 plus guaranteed. After that then it is back to maybe possibly hopefully some 2020 compensation instead of 2 needed early 2018 picks.

    Yes he’s an awesome player and I love him but moneyball is the way of the world. Logically trading him now makes the most sense in terms of preserving some certain return for the team.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.


    He is the best FS in a generation, he is asked to do something very few have been asked to do and has done it. Play the deep and both sides of the field and run support, all at once. His stats don't show tackles and interceptions as much as others because teams don't challange him like they did his first two seasons.

    That's like saying Sherman was crap because he didn't have 11 interceptions every year, takes passing at him to make a pick, but people that just live off Fantasy Stats don't get that.

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  • Thomas is a good player. Really the quarterback is only worth all world money in my opinion. We have other pressing needs. Dez has been released. I want to see the FO make this happen and get decent compensation for Thomas. giving him away for peanuts will irk me. A second alone wont do it for me. having two first rounders will absolutely save this draft; sort of like when we drafted Thomas. It would be a good irony....

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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
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    He's very good. One of the best free safeties out there. Not nearly as good as many Hawk fans would rate him, but one of the best. A lot of that will change once he's traded though. Just the way it works with fans. I do agree about stats though, which is why Earl has never even been the best safety on hid own team, let alone the NFL. And I played for a long time. Anerican football, that is. Not soccer like in Ireland.


    He is the best FS in a generation, he is asked to do something very few have been asked to do and has done it. Play the deep and both sides of the field and run support, all at once. His stats don't show tackles and interceptions as much as others because teams don't challange him like they did his first two seasons.

    That's like saying Sherman was crap because he didn't have 11 interceptions every year, takes passing at him to make a pick, but people that just live off Fantasy Stats don't get that.

    He does not play both sides of the field. We still run cover 3 more than anything. He's made two plays in pass coverage on the deep sideline in his entire career that Sherm didn't tip to him. Seriously, look it up. It's cover 3. The FS has absolutely zero responsibility to the sideline in cover 3. That's all on the corners past 10 yards. We run cover 1 sometimes, but Earl absolutely does not make plays on the deep sideline. It's happened twice in 8 years.

    Outside of this being a scheme issue, there's proof of it. Earls' main responsibility is deciding if there's a post route that he needs to worry about or coming up on a TE or slot seam route when one of the two short zone guys hands off to the deep middle.


    I'd agree on this particular point, but Earl is still doing an awful lot to discourage passes. His best stat is the sacks that he creates by forcing QB's to hold the ball when he discourages their favorite routes. When you see opposing QB's getting into a passing rhythm next year and chewing up our defense in ways that hasn't happened even in 2016-2017, that will be Earl's absence talking.
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More ET trade rumors
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    Mid 2nd-round for Thomas?

    We think not.

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Re: More ET trade rumors
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  • DomeHawk wrote:This article was just posted 2 hrs ago.

    Mid 2nd-round for Thomas?

    We think not.

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/4/15/ ... dez-bryant

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    Earl being cryptic?


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  • Earl is an emotional dude. Pete has said this many times.

    When he broke his leg and tweeted about retirement, Pete laughed (literally) and said that's just Earl being Earl.

    Earl has done absolutely nothing to negatively effect this team. He is a cornerstone of the franchise. Anything outside of a mid to mid-early 1st would be absolutely a lost deal for the franchise. I don't want them to trade him, but if they do, it's not going to be for a mid 2nd or later.
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  • Gibbo wrote:https://instagram.com/p/Bhjm9V2Dy5Q/

    Earl being cryptic?



    nah, he's just showing how supremely horrible his choice in R&B "singers" is.
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  • 2_0_6 wrote:
    Elemas wrote:Always get a kick out of "let's trade this guy, who is incredible, so we don't have to pay them and gamble on an unproven pick" talk.
    Logic....forsaken.


    Always love the "hey lets keep the guy regardless of the cost" mantra even though he will likely walk next year with only a comp pick compensation.

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  • Someone look up the stat of how many passes have been completed deep middle in the last 7 years..
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  • lukerguy wrote:Someone look up the stat of how many passes have been completed deep middle in the last 7 years..
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    If he holds out next year. That number means nothing
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  • lukerguy wrote:Someone look up the stat of how many passes have been completed deep middle in the last 7 years..
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    Quite a few, cause Earl's missed seven games in the past two years.

    This is not about talent, it's about being in the middle of a rebuild, desperately needing picks and not wanting to give Earl the monster 4-5 year Eric Berry-esque extension he wants.

    So if you're one of the people that want to give Earl the huge extension he wants, then please tell us how we're going to fix just about every other position group on the team other than QB with barely any picks the next two years, and very little cap space.
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  • I think if we trade Earl, we need 2 picks in return with a 2nd rounder being one of them.
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  • jlwaters1 wrote:I think if we trade Earl, we need 2 picks in return with a 2nd rounder being one of them.


    Rumor is we want a 1st, or a 2nd and 3rd.

    Either would be acceptable to me, and now that the Cowboys cut Dez, they should have enough cap to sign and extend Earl.

    I don't want to lose Earl, he's one of my all time favorite Hawks. But if we're at an impasse with an extension, then I'd rather trade him, get picks and not have to deal with a holdout and this contract fight dragging into next year.
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  • +1, my favorite player on the team, and one of my all time favorites. But......if they can't get something done, they need to get something for him. Would love to see them get a 1 back, but it doesn't seem likely at this point. A 2 and a 3, they would need to seriously consider jumping on that. I wonder if they would take a 2 and a 4. Maybe not what they want, but it could be the best offer they see and/or the only one close to that.
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  • I'm still hoping the Browns get involved in the ET happenings.
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  • Vin, I love ya, but you're a long ways off on this one. We had the #1 defense in the NFL for how long? How much did we lean on our FS to be able to accomplish this? What happened when he wasn't available? I'll agree that he doesn't have the interception gene the way others like Reed had it, but it hardly diminishes his impact. BTW, Reed is on the short list of all-time greats at the position. As great as Earl is, I wouldn't put him in that class.
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  • Hendo66 wrote:I'm still hoping the Browns get involved in the ET happenings.
    I have been praying to the football God for the Browns to step up.


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  • Hendo66 wrote:I'm still hoping the Browns get involved in the ET happenings.


    No way Earl goes along with this one.

    I'm sure it's not JUST Dallas that he'd agree to a long term extension, but guarantee you Cleveland isn't on his short list.

    And I know we don't need Earl's permission to trade him with one year left on his deal. But if you want to maximize the picks we're getting back, it has to be a team he's going to come to an agreement with on a new extension.

    No extension? We'd be lucky to get a 4th or 5th rounder if it's a team he's just going to leave after next year.
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  • If the $ is right, players will go most places. Funny how they quickly get over that when those dollar signs roll in.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:If the $ is right, players will go most places. Funny how they quickly get over that when those dollar signs roll in.


    Of course, but the only reason people keep bringing up Cleveland is because they have high first rounders. There's literally been no buzz about Cleveland...........and IMO they'd have to offer Earl crazy stupid money for him to sign there. He knows that means losing with zero chance of another ring, instead of going to his beloved Cowboys and possibly playing for that ring.
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  • No doubt, extremely unlikely, but they certainly have the cap and picks for it.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:If the $ is right, players will go most places. Funny how they quickly get over that when those dollar signs roll in.


    Of course, but the only reason people keep bringing up Cleveland is because they have high first rounders. There's literally been no buzz about Cleveland...........and IMO they'd have to offer Earl crazy stupid money for him to sign there. He knows that means losing with zero chance of another ring, instead of going to his beloved Cowboys and possibly playing for that ring.


    Only ring Earl will be playing for in Dallas is possibly asking his buddy Jason to marry him.

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  • Trade him now. The team has already been burned with the previous 3 big money third contracts they gave to Lynch, Kam, and Bennett. It’s bad business. Get something for him while you can and rebuild the D.
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