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DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:34 am
  • this position is needed imo young and a big man
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Re: dj fluker visiting G nyg
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:38 am
  • Anal nitpick alert: Would it hurt the OP to properly capitalize thread titles? We're starting to look like a low-rent 4chan up in here. ;)

    On topic: Fluker's not that good in pass protection. Not sure about this.
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Re: dj fluker visiting G nyg
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:38 am
  • This team needs a mauling Guard. Enough of this "Athletic Lineman" cap. Let's get a big boy in there that will move people in the running game etc. He just turned 27 two days ago. Get it done.
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Re: dj fluker visiting G nyg
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:39 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Anal nitpick alert: Would it hurt the OP to properly capitalize thread titles? We're starting to look like a low-rent 4chan up in here. ;)

    On topic: Fluker's not that good in pass protection. Not sure about this.

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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:45 am
  • Doesn't sound like what we are looking for to me???
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18886559/new-york-giants-sign-offensive-lineman-dj-fluker-one-year-deal
    The Chargers' brass liked the energy, enthusiasm and toughness Fluker displayed on game days. However, Fluker struggled at times with speed rushers in pass protection.

    Fluker is not a lock for the Giants' starting lineup, as he was ranked 54th out of 72 qualifying guards in Pro Football Focus' rankings this season, with a 63.7 grade. His 46.0 run-blocking grade was among the 11th-lowest among guards.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 am
  • Nah, better O Line coach now, he'll be fine.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:50 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nah, better O Line coach now, he'll be fine.


    Better coach? Solari actually was his coach in NY I believe.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:58 am
  • Better O Line coach than CABLE.
    I'm hoping they sign him.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:10 am
  • As I understand he's shocking in pass protection and average at best in run blocking.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:11 am
  • original poster wrote:As I understand he's shocking in pass protection and average at best in run blocking.


    Is shocking good or bad? :?:
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:13 am
  • Personally hope they bring in Justin Pugh.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:13 am
  • Sign all the o-linemen they can find. Even the ones that haven't played in years and are currently driving beer trucks. Let them battle it out in training camp then keep whoever is left standing.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:14 am
  • That's not what they are talking about on 710. Sounds like he's good in run blocking, not so much in pass blocking. Can't be any worse than the swiss cheese they have had in front of Russ.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:16 am
  • kf3339 wrote:Personally hope they bring in Justin Pugh.


    That was my first choice....but injury history there is a minus so I've cooled on him.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:20 am
  • This is a case of Solari bringing in the guys he has familiarity with.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:22 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Nah, better O Line coach now, he'll be fine.


    Better coach? Solari actually was his coach in NY I believe.

    I had very briefly tried to look for OL who played for him and were decent free agents specifically because that's usually the way it works. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens. I didn't consider Fluker, but....probably.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:24 am
  • If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:25 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:Personally hope they bring in Justin Pugh.


    That was my first choice....but injury history there is a minus so I've cooled on him.


    I saw a report that his medicals checked out clean. I would at least bring him in and let our doctors make a decision for themselves. He doesn't seem to be drawing much interest yet, so perhaps we could get a good value deal!
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:28 am
  • kf3339 wrote:
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    kf3339 wrote:Personally hope they bring in Justin Pugh.


    That was my first choice....but injury history there is a minus so I've cooled on him.


    I saw a report that his medicals checked out clean. I would at least bring him in and let our doctors make a decision for themselves. He doesn't seem to be drawing much interest yet, so perhaps we could get a good value deal!


    I'm good with that as long as those aren't the same doctors that checked out Harvin . ;)
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:30 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:Personally hope they bring in Justin Pugh.


    That was my first choice....but injury history there is a minus so I've cooled on him.


    I saw a report that his medicals checked out clean. I would at least bring him in and let our doctors make a decision for themselves. He doesn't seem to be drawing much interest yet, so perhaps we could get a good value deal!


    I'm good with that as long as those aren't the same doctors that checked out Harvin . ;)


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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:35 am
  • Well, one thing is a given.....no matter who they sign, plenty of people won't like it....just because :irishdrinkers:
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 am
  • I assume the idea here would just be to add much needed competition at the position. We currently don't have a left guard at all and Fluker has experience with Solari in NY so it makes sense if we can get him inexpensively.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:57 am
  • You mean fans who have actually watched him play? Noice :2thumbs:
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:02 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:You mean fans who have actually watched him play? Noice :2thumbs:


    Little Ben watched him play!! :D

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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:08 am
  • that......is......awesome....
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:15 am
  • Pretty sure at the Chargers he played Tackle and wasn't a good fit due to the ability to handle speed, as was mentioned previously.

    In NY I think they had him playing Guard more. Dealing with speed rushers won't be the smae issue there. Also, if we are happy to have a new OL coach, then we need to let him evaluate the folks. At least he should have the best idea of what Fluker can do.

    I'm more curious to see what he does with our existing OL players. There was obviously a bad fit for many with Cable. I doubt they can perform worse and will likely be better.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:48 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nah, better O Line coach now, he'll be fine.


    WAIT WAIT WAIT

    Are we now on the "we can draft / sign anyone and make them better bandwagon"? Isn't that the mentality by our coaches that kind of ruined the last three seasons?
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:53 am
  • I'm more then ok with our O-line going forward under new leadership. Brown / Pocic / Britt / Ifedi / Fant
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:16 am
  • I hope they sign him, my opinion, but I think he'd help this O Line. It's called Free Agency, players get signed in Free Agency. Can't do everything from just the draft :?
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:30 am
  • sutz wrote:If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.


    https://footballoutsiders.com/stat-anal ... on-passing

    Data doesn't support the assertion that a successful running is necessary for an effective PA passing game.

    I agree on signing Fluker. Giants fans seemed to like him a lot.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:39 am
  • adeltaY wrote:
    sutz wrote:If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.


    https://footballoutsiders.com/stat-anal ... on-passing

    Data doesn't support the assertion that a successful running is necessary for an effective PA passing game.

    I agree on signing Fluker. Giants fans seemed to like him a lot.

    Not many teams in the NFL have a scrambling QB like Wilson, and judging by the horrendous run blocking by our O-Line last season, and Wilson being the #1 rusher, the Run game was BADLY BROKEN.
    Wilson with a DECENT run game is a whole another threat.
    I think Fluker might be a really good fit.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:44 am
  • adeltaY wrote:
    sutz wrote:If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.


    https://footballoutsiders.com/stat-anal ... on-passing

    Data doesn't support the assertion that a successful running is necessary for an effective PA passing game.

    I agree on signing Fluker. Giants fans seemed to like him a lot.

    That article is almost flat earth worthy. There's a point where data spreadsheet writers with no applicable experience are completely worthless. Most of the time, data with the right criteria is fine, absent agenda.

    This is not one of those times. It's a flat earth article.

    And yes, I know, I'm a jerk.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:51 am
  • I'd be fine with this. We don't need world beaters, we just need competency.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:52 am
  • There is some degree of truth in nearly everything.

    In fact the earth is flat my entire trip home.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:48 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
    sutz wrote:If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.


    https://footballoutsiders.com/stat-anal ... on-passing

    Data doesn't support the assertion that a successful running is necessary for an effective PA passing game.

    I agree on signing Fluker. Giants fans seemed to like him a lot.

    That article is almost flat earth worthy. There's a point where data spreadsheet writers with no applicable experience are completely worthless. Most of the time, data with the right criteria is fine, absent agenda.

    This is not one of those times. It's a flat earth article.

    And yes, I know, I'm a jerk.


    Don't want to get into it here, but Pederson actually employed an analytics team with a direct line to advise him on decisions, especially on 4th down, and they won the SB this year.

    I generally trust statistical analysis and try to employ healthy skepticism. Just because football guys say its true doesn't make it so.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:17 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
    sutz wrote:If we truly are going back to "Pete Carroll" football, than run blocking will be emphasized over pass blocking.

    The philosophy being that if you can run well, you get that extra half-step in the passing game from play action. The inability to run over the last couple of years kind of scotched that, as nobody respected our run game enough to make it happen.

    Under that idea, sounds like Fluker would fit right in.


    https://footballoutsiders.com/stat-anal ... on-passing

    Data doesn't support the assertion that a successful running is necessary for an effective PA passing game.

    I agree on signing Fluker. Giants fans seemed to like him a lot.

    That article is almost flat earth worthy. There's a point where data spreadsheet writers with no applicable experience are completely worthless. Most of the time, data with the right criteria is fine, absent agenda.

    This is not one of those times. It's a flat earth article.

    And yes, I know, I'm a jerk.


    Don't want to get into it here, but Pederson actually employed an analytics team with a direct line to advise him on decisions, especially on 4th down, and they won the SB this year.

    I generally trust statistical analysis and try to employ healthy skepticism. Just because football guys say its true doesn't make it so.


    There is no logical reason to run play action without an effective running game. The point is to have defenders take "negative steps" and bite for half a second.

    If you run PA without that then the sole thing you are accomplishing is having your QB have his back to the field of view for roughly half of the play. You have then cut your QBs time to read the defense in half.

    Your assertion about Pederson's analytics team has no specific bearing on play action ideology or effectiveness.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:25 pm
  • AdeltaY, gotta admit that I though you linked a different article from field gulls where they concluded that play action has no effectiveness. Much of the fieldgulls stuff is flat earth worthy except for combine measurements and they even mess that up often enough.

    I'll have to read this one later although I'm skeptical given the writer. Apologies, but I will say that the more effective the running game is, the more use play action has.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:35 pm
  • Also previous Seahawks and current Jags are a good case study. You may only average 4 yards per carry or even 3.5, but if it's a big back that hits the hole hard, the defense knows that they have to take authoritative "positive steps" lest they get pushed back or embarrassed. The latter may seem silly, but I guarantee that every defender hates getting run over.

    This is where "measuring effectiveness" doesn't tell the entirety of the story and the data fails you. It's a different animal than a lateral running game or running back. With a back like McCoy you're more interested in covering gaps than taking hard steps forward bracing for power. That's just one example of how the data fails in play action study.

    It takes the players out of the story.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:49 pm
  • Weight and conditioning have been a continual issue for Fluker throughout his career. On the one hand, I would appreciate this signing because it's an indication that Ifedi will move back to guard. On the other hand, I would be wary of Fluker's focus and motivation.

    Nearly 37'' arms and a wingspan of over 7 feet. He engulfs pass rushers.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:54 pm
  • Yeah...it's ben baldwin

    A common response to the question of why teams run so frequently is that teams need to run the ball in order to maintain the effectiveness of play-action passing.


    Even at the root of the article he's already drawing very over simplistic conclusions. Play action is a 3rd layer.

    Runnig the football affects defenders reads. In run defense, you're stacking and shedding in a 2 gap or you are locating and trying to stay in your gap. This effects DL and LBs overall, but can also affect safeties if there is bleeding.

    In pass defense your DL have a singular target that doesn't really move unless forced to.

    This is where "pinning your ears back" comes into play.

    So when you're scouting defenders in the front seven you see things like "slow to read" or quick or whichever. Bites on play action is another. Play action is a 3rd layer that plays on those reads, but it is not the reason why teams run the ball.

    To me, this is basic internet parroting. Since 2000, some continue to say this is a passing league despite the fact that teams that run the ball well get into and go deep into the playoffs. It's just a fan preference thing. You can come up with data to fit a narrative and you can easily come to the wrong conclusion when missing a variable or two or more.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:05 pm
  • He has strong hands, but he plays with surprisingly little power. Not very explosive. Greatest asset is his amazing length and strong grip in pass protection. Also takes good angles, uses his length well.

    Since we don't know whether George Fant can play RT, Fluker would certainly be a strong upgrade over Ifedi in pass protection. Fant could learn a lot from Fluker about how to use his length.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:11 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:Also previous Seahawks and current Jags are a good case study. You may only average 4 yards per carry or even 3.5, but if it's a big back that hits the hole hard, the defense knows that they have to take authoritative "positive steps" lest they get pushed back or embarrassed. The latter may seem silly, but I guarantee that every defender hates getting run over.

    This is where "measuring effectiveness" doesn't tell the entirety of the story and the data fails you. It's a different animal than a lateral running game or running back. With a back like McCoy you're more interested in covering gaps than taking hard steps forward bracing for power. That's just one example of how the data fails in play action study.

    It takes the players out of the story.


    Not gonna lie, these are some of the same questions/concerns I was thinking about the analysis. I'm not sure where the truth lies, but your points, which reflect those of the general football community, make logical sense. There is a possibility that logical explanation such as that isn't the correct explanation, but I don't have the background or intelligence to discern that.
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Re: DJ Fluker Visiting G NYG
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:00 am
  • Anyone have any news on this? We need oline help....like for 4 years now. I hope they make a good guard a priority. I also pray that Fant can take over RT.

    Also, I came across this info.
    He signed a one-year deal with the Giants in 2017 and was excellent, when healthy. Under offensive line coach Mike Solari, who is now with the Seahawks, the Giants averaged 25 more rushing yards per game when Fluker was in the lineup.


    I suppose that means that now that I've warmed up to him, he is as good as gone. :?
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