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What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:37 am
  • Granted, I'm hardly a professional in the NFL personnel business, but I'm trying to read the currents in our recent moves and can't make out any sensible plan on Pete and John's part.

    We've jettisoned probably our best pass rusher and corner, which frees up money, sure, but for who? I don't see anyone in free agency better than the guys we lost. And I don't see them breaking the bank on Sheldon or Earl to keep/extend them. I'd be shocked if we bothered to entice Graham back.

    Are they loading up for a big trade/extension? Trading away another first round pick for a stud RB or WR? And if so, who is even out there who is both worth mortgaging a pick and cap space for AND is on the trading block?

    And if they are going to make a splash like that, isn't it best saved for a final Super Bowl push rather than what is clearly a reloading year?

    You get younger through the draft, but I don't see us stockpiling draft picks. And you clear money for free agency, but I don't see any free agents worth selling the farm for.

    So what's the end goal here? Or is it just 2010 all over again--turning over every piece of coal in the pile looking for a diamond? Are we conceding to the Rams and 49ers this year and getting a head start on 2019? Can Pete even afford another year missing the playoffs?

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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:40 am
  • Freeing up cap by letting go older injury prone players. Sherman hasnt been fully healthy in like 2 years. Front office is just getting a head start in finding new franchise players.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:56 am
  • If this was Billichick it would simply be another day at the office.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:04 am
  • Finding new franchise players? Have they found any in years?

    You are expecting this to change?

    We won because we had players that were measurably better than players on the opposing team. It isn't enough to get 'good' players. They need to be great, or we won't even make the playoffs.

    I don't see a plan either. Last year they didn't know they might lose ET soon? Why not draft Baker then? Why draft a worthless DT and not Cam Robinson, who the Jaguars picked WITH THE PICK WE TRADED THEM. He will probably solidify their line for the next 6-8 years.

    Our front office might have a plan but since it is clear they are over their heads or don't know what they are doing? Does it matter?

    They will no longer have a loaded roster to make up for all their bad decisions.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:57 am
  • We're just chilling out while the Rams and Niners take over the division.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:07 am
  • Honestly it depends on the free agents we get for simply this yr. The draft this yr for the 2019 yr.

    I don't think we make the playoffs this yr if we don't make moves.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:13 am
  • Rat wrote:We're just chilling out while the Rams and Niners take over the division.


    Unfortunately this may end up being the correct answer.

    At least for the near future.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:13 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Finding new franchise players? Have they found any in years?

    You are expecting this to change?

    We won because we had players that were measurably better than players on the opposing team. It isn't enough to get 'good' players. They need to be great, or we won't even make the playoffs.

    I don't see a plan either. Last year they didn't know they might lose ET soon? Why not draft Baker then? Why draft a worthless DT and not Cam Robinson, who the Jaguars picked WITH THE PICK WE TRADED THEM. He will probably solidify their line for the next 6-8 years.

    Our front office might have a plan but since it is clear they are over their heads or don't know what they are doing? Does it matter?

    They will no longer have a loaded roster to make up for all their bad decisions.


    Whatever the plan is, I hope in includes more foresight, less hubris, and better luck than the past several years.

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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:16 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Finding new franchise players? Have they found any in years?

    You are expecting this to change?

    We won because we had players that were measurably better than players on the opposing team. It isn't enough to get 'good' players. They need to be great, or we won't even make the playoffs.

    I don't see a plan either. Last year they didn't know they might lose ET soon? Why not draft Baker then? Why draft a worthless DT and not Cam Robinson, who the Jaguars picked WITH THE PICK WE TRADED THEM. He will probably solidify their line for the next 6-8 years.

    Our front office might have a plan but since it is clear they are over their heads or don't know what they are doing? Does it matter?

    They will no longer have a loaded roster to make up for all their bad decisions.



    ^This as well.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:35 am
  • I think they are going to follow a plan similar to the Falcons and Pats. Old offense young defense. The Sherman cut would have made more sense after the 2018 season because right now 11 million for a top-five corner is cheap. The 2018 free agent group is a scrap heap and I don't know if the team can crank out a 2011-2012 run in the draft to get the team back to a Superbowl level in 2020.



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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:17 pm
  • I am confident the FO has a plan, just not confident that it will be a good one. Limited cap space and draft picks with a lot of holes to fill. Seahawks in '17 were between the 11th to 13th youngest roster, depending on where you look, which could mean that that there are a lot of younger players who are going to be called to take on bigger roles in 2018. Rams were the 2nd youngest last year. They will more than likely be an even better team this year. On paper, the Hawks have a brutal schedule next year. I don't expect a Super Bowl season, but I do expect to have more wins then losses. Maybe that is unrealistic to many, but I don't think we are the Browns quite yet.

    A lot depends on how much the new OC and DC change things up. One off season is not a whole lot of time to learn a new system. Will there be minor changes, or major? Simplified changes with a greater plan for the future or just flood the team with new schemes and concepts? Will the new changes even lead the team in the right direction? Who knows, I don't.

    On offense, my primary desire this season is get the OL back to at least average. This will help both the passing and running game. I think Russell is good enough to make things happen with average players around him if he at least has average blocking. Need a stud RB, which could be Carson, but I am not against drafting one with #18 depending on who is there. Rawls wasn't the guy, Carson got injured, future uncertain, Davis is serviceable, but not a premier back. Just no stupid signings like Lacey.

    On defense we are going to need some new starters to take over for the vets that have been released, traded or may retire. Lots of injuries last year, but some guys stepped up and proved to be at least serviceable. Another year with more practice with the ones and they should in theory get better. Looks like the Seahawks are heading in a direction of letting most of the old guard go and will have to sign some of the free agents back on realistic deals. Going to be difficult as all the new pieces learn to work as a unit. The LOB is gone.

    Will probably have to let go of star players like they did Sherman and pass on players like Graham and Sheldon so we can resign more average players and one year deals to fill needs in the roster. With so many needs and such limited resources, is it better to keep one all pro at 11 million or sign three lesser players at 3.6 million? Would love to go for the big one in 2018, but not at the cost of '19 and '20. That attitude last year helped get us in the situation the team is in now.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:27 pm
  • The plan us to get the aging vets off the roster, off the books, and try to find new, fresh young kids to come in and compete for those positions. The same way the championship team was built
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:30 pm
  • The plan is they hope they don't suck too bad this year.

    Actually, they might want to suck to secure higher draft pick(s) next year.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:52 pm
  • WindCityHawk wrote:We've jettisoned probably our best pass rusher and corner, which frees up money, sure, but for who? I don't see anyone in free agency better than the guys we lost. And I don't see them breaking the bank on Sheldon or Earl to keep/extend them. I'd be shocked if we bothered to entice Graham back.

    [...] So what's the end goal here? Or is it just 2010 all over again--turning over every piece of coal in the pile looking for a diamond? Are we conceding to the Rams and 49ers this year and getting a head start on 2019? Can Pete even afford another year missing the playoffs?


    Imo they are extending two out of the following 3: Daune Brown, Earl, Sheldon. If not they might try to get better picks next year because we are probably going to suck big time this year unless last years draft picks turn out to be awesome.
    Could also just want to start from scratch again like in 2010 but I don't think Pete plans to stay long enough to go through with this.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:10 pm
  • They have to move the old Furniture out and clean the carpet, it's been pretty dirty for a while now and that Furniture has nostalgia around it but the seat cushions are worn and the feet on one of the chairs keep falling off, who knows about that couch, every time we lift the seat cushions we find another worn out cliché.

    It all has to be replaced.

    I stated in another thread, we drafted a lot of guys that have been red shirted or hidden on IR, when the original LOB was formed they did not have All Pros and HOF type players in front of them, it was much easier to identify who was going where, we have reached the point where injuries and salaries make moves necessary, we seen small samples of these players but no real game experience long term.

    We are in better shape on our D line then when Pete came in, yes we lost Bennett but we have guys that may be able to help. We have a bunch of players on our O line that we know were valued highly but never showed it, Cable curse or lack of continuity trying to learn 4 positions versus getting good at one. I think we can make it serviceable with our new Line coach, serviceable would be hundreds of a percent better then what we have seen.

    That's the players, schemes on offense will be different and welcome, motion and set up's for our receivers to isolate defenders etc.

    On defense Pete will take what we have and adjust to the strength of the players, we may not run exactly the same defense if Earl is traded, we may go to a Tampa 2 style, we will adjust.

    We are not as bad off as some feel we are, surely not as bad as when Pete came in, not saying Super Bowl bound yet but not saying were in the cellar either till I see the complete assembly in action a few games.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:27 pm
  • Except all of this is reactive, not proactive.

    That is not a plan, that might be making moves, sometimes strategic and sometimes tactical.

    But it isn't a plan.

    Was the plan really to bring in Duane Brown and send a bunch of draft picks to Houston to get him? Thus hamstringing us in the rebuild we had to know we would need to engage in this year?

    Nope. Clearly, the FO went all in this year with Richardson and Brown. But a lot of us on the sidelines were sitting here thinking "What the hell are they doing? They don't have a SB team. They are going all in and they still have no way to assure they can even score TDs reliably"

    A plan would have been bringing in Cam, that means not having to bring in Duane Brown this year and saving the picks and cap room. It might have been trading your 1st last year for some picks this year, and getting that 2nd to get Baker. That is a plan, a plan happens over time. It did not have to be their plan, but moves that are only made to react to the immediate situation to me indicate the lack of a plan.

    Part of the problem really.

    This FO might be so many moves ahead we cannot see it, but it might be a more reasonable assessment that they are just reacting instead of building anything. And that kind of short term thinking rarely gets much reward for it.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:28 pm
  • Some fans need to chill out , they still have Wagner and Earl. Who are the most important players on the defense. Sherman is great, but hes not getting any younger. He was going to be gone sooner or later and they had to choose between him and earl.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:01 pm
  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:Honestly it depends on the free agents we get for simply this yr. The draft this yr for the 2019 yr.

    I don't think we make the playoffs this yr if we don't make moves.

    Barring a miracle they are not likely making the playoffs in 2018.
    Re-up Earl, and Brown.
    Do not spend any unnecessary money on FA band-aids, draft well this year, draft well in 2019 and spend wisely on FA pickups.

    No more projects or reaches in the draft. Quit trying to prove you are the draft geniuses (by taking risky picks), when you haven’t had a great draft since 2012.
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What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:11 pm
  • I think that THEY think they can draft & coach up young players on defense. I think they are very open to the idea of playing young guys and having them learn on the job. I have no idea what they are doing on offense. With the freed up money, hopefully they will invest more in o-line help. Maybe sign a WR. I’d rather they draft a RB or 2 than sign another free agent veteran whose best years are already behind him.


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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:12 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Shanegotyou11 wrote:Honestly it depends on the free agents we get for simply this yr. The draft this yr for the 2019 yr.

    I don't think we make the playoffs this yr if we don't make moves.

    Barring a miracle they are not likely making the playoffs in 2018.
    Re-up Earl, and Brown.
    Do not spend any unnecessary money on FA band-aids, draft well this year, draft well in 2019 and spend wisely on FA pickups.

    No more projects or reaches in the draft. Quit trying to prove you are the draft geniuses (by taking risky picks), when you haven’t had a great draft since 2012.


    Well said and spot on. The only thing I disagree with re-upping Earl. I’d rather keep SR. You can’t minimize the importance of DL. I also think earl’s antics with Dallas was an issue.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:22 pm
  • I'm not sure what we're doing. We're not rebuilding, because you don't rebuild with a franchise QB in his prime. But we're certainly not improving. Seems to me like we're just declining. We're going to turn into a less exciting version of the 2014-2016 Saints or the 2010-current Chargers, a team with a barren roster being carried by its one and only asset, the QB.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:28 pm
  • Are there even any exciting FA players to target with this new cap space? Or are these to just resign Earl, Duane, and Sheldon? Offense was the culprit for most of the issues last year and are losing their only TD scorer. They better step up because it’s likely there will be some growing pains on defense.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:44 pm
  • The problems with the Pete Carroll Seahawks have always boiled down to offense.

    They will be fine on defense, Pete is amazing on that side of the ball and knows what he is doing.

    The problem with the offense is somewhat complicated, but I will try to simplify it because I don't like writing walls of text.

    Pete wants complete control and say on offense even though it isn't his expertise. So coaches on that side of the ball are always going to be inferior yes men, he doesn't want anyone challenging his "philosophy".

    He had 2 black holes in Cable & Bevell, players on offense just in general had no shot at developing.

    Alex Collins on the Seahawks is a bum. Alex Collins on the Ravens is a top 5 DVOA runningback.

    It isn't bad drafting. it is bad coaching.

    Jimmy Graham the most dangerous redzone weapon in football with the Saints, is relegated to inline blocker & decoy for his 1st 2.5 seasons with the team. Not a bad trade, just bad coaching.

    The final litmus test was Duane Brown. I watched that dude get worse every game he played. After being very impressed with his 1st game, by the end of the year he looked like just a guy at the position.


    In terms of how I would rank the Seahawks problems of the last few years it would be.

    1 Bad offensive coaching.

    2 Bad early free agency signings.

    3 Mediocre drafting.

    1 & 2 need to get fixed or it won't matter who you're drafting. They won't develop, and they won't play because they will be stuck behind $$$$$ free agent scrubs like Cary Williams, Luke Joeckel, J'Marcus Webb, & Eddie Lacy. :pukeface:


    To simplify it even more though it just boils down to running the football at the end of the day.

    Pete can take care of the D, Russ can take care of the passing game, now insert a competent running game and the team will be fine. Despite Pete's foibles as a coach.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:51 pm
  • What I saw was our defense starting the year as a slower older D and we are going to be getting younger and faster with growing pains assuredly but all the other teams minus the pats have faced it so we will have to hope our new coaches do their jobs well and PCJS do what they did the first time around
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:49 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Finding new franchise players? Have they found any in years?

    You are expecting this to change?

    We won because we had players that were measurably better than players on the opposing team. It isn't enough to get 'good' players. They need to be great, or we won't even make the playoffs.

    I don't see a plan either. Last year they didn't know they might lose ET soon? Why not draft Baker then? Why draft a worthless DT and not Cam Robinson, who the Jaguars picked WITH THE PICK WE TRADED THEM. He will probably solidify their line for the next 6-8 years.

    Our front office might have a plan but since it is clear they are over their heads or don't know what they are doing? Does it matter?

    They will no longer have a loaded roster to make up for all their bad decisions.


    This was very much true with Bevell as OC.

    Is it still true? Probably, but I'll choose to be optimistic and believe new coordinators can turn around the sub-par utilization of talent that has been a hallmark of the PC era.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:54 pm
  • Fade wrote:He had 2 black holes in Cable & Bevell, players on offense just in general had no shot at developing.

    Alex Collins on the Seahawks is a bum. Alex Collins on the Ravens is a top 5 DVOA runningback.

    It isn't bad drafting. it is bad coaching.

    Jimmy Graham the most dangerous redzone weapon in football with the Saints, is relegated to inline blocker & decoy for his 1st 2.5 seasons with the team. Not a bad trade, just bad coaching.

    The final litmus test was Duane Brown. I watched that dude get worse every game he played. After being very impressed with his 1st game, by the end of the year he looked like just a guy at the position.


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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Aros wrote:If this was Billichick it would simply be another day at the office.



    This. Which is why I am not going ballistic right now. These tough decisions have to be made. The problem is that Pete & John are NOWHERE near as good as Belichick is at REPLACING the players that they let go. This is what worries me. We could very well be battling the Cards for the cellar of the NFC west this year. Our defense has almost always kept games close. Take that away, and we are in trouble. Right now, our defense has gotten worse and our offense hasn't improved. That is a recipe for disaster with this team. There is still a lot of time left, which is why I am just going to sit back and watch and see what happens. Really, that is all we can do as fans anyway.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:36 pm
  • We don't appear to have a plan.

    What a mess. Lose Sherman for NOTHING in return.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:56 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    Aros wrote:If this was Billichick it would simply be another day at the office.



    This. Which is why I am not going ballistic right now. These tough decisions have to be made. The problem is that Pete & John are NOWHERE near as good as Belichick is at REPLACING the players that they let go. This is what worries me. We could very well be battling the Cards for the cellar of the NFC west this year. Our defense has almost always kept games close. Take that away, and we are in trouble. Right now, our defense has gotten worse and our offense hasn't improved. That is a recipe for disaster with this team. There is still a lot of time left, which is why I am just going to sit back and watch and see what happens. Really, that is all we can do as fans anyway.


    Lotta truth there.

    Regarding the Pats, the Belichickian decision to let a player go makes a lot more sense when it is part of an overall Belichickian plan, which probably includes the replacement player as a key idea. I'm not sure we have one of those. And while the Pats do straight up release players, it seems like they often get a high return by trading at the right time as a regular part of that plan. The context of doing the opposite for years makes it a problem for the Hawks. If this was the plan, it should have been implemented after XLIX if not sooner.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:56 pm
  • ducks41468 wrote:I'm not sure what we're doing. We're not rebuilding, because you don't rebuild with a franchise QB in his prime. But we're certainly not improving. Seems to me like we're just declining. We're going to turn into a less exciting version of the 2014-2016 Saints or the 2010-current Chargers, a team with a barren roster being carried by its one and only asset, the QB.


    Oh man, that is DARK. You captured it pretty well though. We will basically be the Chargers if we don't start hitting on picks and signings and doing so ASAP. At least Russ got a ring. The Chargers have had a fantastic and very underrated QB in Rivers for years and nothing's come of it. Man, those Saints teams were just bad too. Poor Brees was throwing for 5K yards and they couldn't even break .500. The worst part of the rebuild/retooling will be watching Russell Wilson in his prime on a crap team.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:03 pm
  • Fade wrote:The problems with the Pete Carroll Seahawks have always boiled down to offense.

    They will be fine on defense, Pete is amazing on that side of the ball and knows what he is doing.

    The problem with the offense is somewhat complicated, but I will try to simplify it because I don't like writing walls of text.

    Pete wants complete control and say on offense even though it isn't his expertise. So coaches on that side of the ball are always going to be inferior yes men, he doesn't want anyone challenging his "philosophy".

    He had 2 black holes in Cable & Bevell, players on offense just in general had no shot at developing.

    Alex Collins on the Seahawks is a bum. Alex Collins on the Ravens is a top 5 DVOA runningback.

    It isn't bad drafting. it is bad coaching.

    Jimmy Graham the most dangerous redzone weapon in football with the Saints, is relegated to inline blocker & decoy for his 1st 2.5 seasons with the team. Not a bad trade, just bad coaching.

    The final litmus test was Duane Brown. I watched that dude get worse every game he played. After being very impressed with his 1st game, by the end of the year he looked like just a guy at the position.


    In terms of how I would rank the Seahawks problems of the last few years it would be.

    1 Bad offensive coaching.

    2 Bad early free agency signings.

    3 Mediocre drafting.

    1 & 2 need to get fixed or it won't matter who you're drafting. They won't develop, and they won't play because they will be stuck behind $$$$$ free agent scrubs like Cary Williams, Luke Joeckel, J'Marcus Webb, & Eddie Lacy. :pukeface:


    To simplify it even more though it just boils down to running the football at the end of the day.

    Pete can take care of the D, Russ can take care of the passing game, now insert a competent running game and the team will be fine. Despite Pete's foibles as a coach.


    Nicely said bro. Everything is spot on, nice job. You need to start posting more here.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:53 pm
  • What I don't understand is why Duane Brown's name is never mentioned as a trade piece.

    He's going to be 33 by the start of the season and it'd open up almost $10M in cap room.

    If they can get at least a 2nd rounder back for him, why not get something while you can during the "youth movement"?
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:01 pm
  • Aros wrote:If this was Billichick it would simply be another day at the office.



    :ditto: :ditto:
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pm
  • massari wrote:What I don't understand is why Duane Brown's name is never mentioned as a trade piece.

    He's going to be 33 by the start of the season and it'd open up almost $10M in cap room.

    If they can get at least a 2nd rounder back for him, why not get something while you can during the "youth movement"?


    There's no way we would get anything close to a second for DB. If we traded him we would probably get a 4th and Russ would be even more screwed.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:50 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    massari wrote:What I don't understand is why Duane Brown's name is never mentioned as a trade piece.

    He's going to be 33 by the start of the season and it'd open up almost $10M in cap room.

    If they can get at least a 2nd rounder back for him, why not get something while you can during the "youth movement"?


    There's no way we would get anything close to a second for DB. If we traded him we would probably get a 4th and Russ would be even more screwed.

    I guess I seem to overvalue Seahawks players. Thought they could get a 3rd for Bennett, a 3rd for Sherman and a 1st for Thomas.

    But like I wouldn't have traded Bennett for anything less than a 3rd, I wouldn't trade DB for anything less than a 2nd.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:02 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Why draft a worthless DT and not Cam Robinson, who the Jaguars picked WITH THE PICK WE TRADED THEM. He will probably solidify their line for the next 6-8 years.


    Oh boy, another hot take about Cam Robinson.

    Malik McDowell was a decent prospect for pick 34. He got in an ATV accident that I'm sure you could have predicted. Pass rushing 3T was a need and we drafted it.

    Cam Robinson did not have a good rookie season. Ramczyk with the Saints had a very good one, but Cam Robinson did not. You'd be whining about that pick too had it happened.
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Re: What is our plan?
Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:52 pm
  • Fade wrote:The problems with the Pete Carroll Seahawks have always boiled down to offense.

    They will be fine on defense, Pete is amazing on that side of the ball and knows what he is doing.

    The problem with the offense is somewhat complicated, but I will try to simplify it because I don't like writing walls of text.

    Pete wants complete control and say on offense even though it isn't his expertise. So coaches on that side of the ball are always going to be inferior yes men, he doesn't want anyone challenging his "philosophy".

    He had 2 black holes in Cable & Bevell, players on offense just in general had no shot at developing.

    Alex Collins on the Seahawks is a bum. Alex Collins on the Ravens is a top 5 DVOA runningback.

    It isn't bad drafting. it is bad coaching.

    Jimmy Graham the most dangerous redzone weapon in football with the Saints, is relegated to inline blocker & decoy for his 1st 2.5 seasons with the team. Not a bad trade, just bad coaching.

    The final litmus test was Duane Brown. I watched that dude get worse every game he played. After being very impressed with his 1st game, by the end of the year he looked like just a guy at the position.


    In terms of how I would rank the Seahawks problems of the last few years it would be.

    1 Bad offensive coaching.

    2 Bad early free agency signings.

    3 Mediocre drafting.

    1 & 2 need to get fixed or it won't matter who you're drafting. They won't develop, and they won't play because they will be stuck behind $$$$$ free agent scrubs like Cary Williams, Luke Joeckel, J'Marcus Webb, & Eddie Lacy. :pukeface:


    To simplify it even more though it just boils down to running the football at the end of the day.

    Pete can take care of the D, Russ can take care of the passing game, now insert a competent running game and the team will be fine. Despite Pete's foibles as a coach.


    This is right on, the changes in the O staff will allow the team to Pete’s style of O which relies upon a running game. I blame Cable as much as Bevell as Pete deferred to much to Cable and bought into his nonsense which most everyone except him could see wasn’t working. When the wheels fell off this last season Cable’s incompetence was exposed and it was already clear Bevell was in over his head.

    I’m expecting some more shocking personnel moves. Very low early key FA moves wouldn’t surprise me while keeping the critical lower level players. If they can find a 2nd round pick and at least an early 4th they may stick at 18. Drafting an OL, DT or DE/OLB, and/or a RB early.

    The team played adequately w/o RS and will continue to do so. I am less worried than I was when I heard RS was released.
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:11 am
  • massari wrote:What I don't understand is why Duane Brown's name is never mentioned as a trade piece.

    He's going to be 33 by the start of the season and it'd open up almost $10M in cap room.

    If they can get at least a 2nd rounder back for him, why not get something while you can during the "youth movement"?


    So get rid of the best lineman on the team? No thank you. 33 at lineman is middle aged. He is worth the money. Where would you like to spend our proveniences?
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:16 am
  • seahawkfreak wrote:
    massari wrote:What I don't understand is why Duane Brown's name is never mentioned as a trade piece.

    He's going to be 33 by the start of the season and it'd open up almost $10M in cap room.

    If they can get at least a 2nd rounder back for him, why not get something while you can during the "youth movement"?


    So get rid of the best lineman on the team? No thank you. 33 at lineman is middle aged. He is worth the money. Where would you like to spend our proveniences?

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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:37 am
  • Grahamhawker wrote:I'm sitting here eating pancakes saying, "Yup, yup, and yup!" to the points in this post.


    Or were they waffles? Sorry, I'l slap myself, that was unproductive.
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:55 am
  • Aussie Seahawk wrote:
    Grahamhawker wrote:I'm sitting here eating pancakes saying, "Yup, yup, and yup!" to the points in this post.


    Or were they waffles? Sorry, I'l slap myself, that was unproductive.



    I admit, I chuckled. As far as a plan, I believe an extension for Earl is on deck with the newfound cap savings.
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:57 am
  • Hawk Finn wrote:
    Aussie Seahawk wrote:
    Grahamhawker wrote:I'm sitting here eating pancakes saying, "Yup, yup, and yup!" to the points in this post.


    Or were they waffles? Sorry, I'l slap myself, that was unproductive.



    I admit, I chuckled. As far as a plan, I believe an extension for Earl is on deck with the newfound cap savings.


    Cant agree with that. What if he gets injured next season? It would be simillar as Kam's situation.
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:00 am
  • poly1274 wrote:
    Hawk Finn wrote:
    Aussie Seahawk wrote:
    Grahamhawker wrote:I'm sitting here eating pancakes saying, "Yup, yup, and yup!" to the points in this post.


    Or were they waffles? Sorry, I'l slap myself, that was unproductive.



    I admit, I chuckled. As far as a plan, I believe an extension for Earl is on deck with the newfound cap savings.


    Cant agree with that. What if he gets injured next season? It would be simillar as Kam's situation.


    Your options are basically trade him or extend him.

    My bet is nobody will give up the asking price so I'm 95% sure he gets an extension.

    Earl will be pushing for big guarantees while the team tries to limit those guarantees so they don't have a Kam part deux.
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:17 am
  • Maelstrom,

    Cam Robinson was a 2nd round pick.

    Ramczyk was a 1st. Sure, hindsight being 20/20 we should have gotten him. But my understanding was Cam was the pick we traded to Jacksonville so we know he was available there. And we are assuming they traded the 1st to get picks for this year for a reload they should have been planning for. Since this thread is essentially a lament about what looks to be the lack of planning on the part of the FO (beyond short term moves).

    (It still leads one to wonder, why you do a rebuild with a QB in his prime knowing that in a few years you are likely without a coach and starting the process to find another one.)
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:52 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Maelstrom,

    Cam Robinson was a 2nd round pick.

    Ramczyk was a 1st. Sure, hindsight being 20/20 we should have gotten him. But my understanding was Cam was the pick we traded to Jacksonville so we know he was available there. And we are assuming they traded the 1st to get picks for this year for a reload they should have been planning for. Since this thread is essentially a lament about what looks to be the lack of planning on the part of the FO (beyond short term moves).

    (It still leads one to wonder, why you do a rebuild with a QB in his prime knowing that in a few years you are likely without a coach and starting the process to find another one.)


    Honestly, I think with Cable we would just have Ifedi 2.0 if we drafted Robinson. Zero faith in his ability to develop a guy in Robinson mould.
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Re: What is our plan?
Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:28 pm
  • I think they knew the team was good but past its prime, so they went all in trying to squeeze out another superbowl from the current group.

    If it would have paid off, they still would have jettisoned all these players because they have to get younger to keep growing. Last year's roster had plateaued and it would be a desperation fire sale a year from now instead of a modest roster churn this year.

    I will be interested to see if they try to rebuild a LOB-style unit again, or if they go with a more incremental approach where they are replacing a few pieces each year a la New England.

    If we keep Earl and Richardson, I'd say they're looking to be more incremental; if we continue to purge, I'd say they are looking for a full rebuild.

    Pete was in the college game for a while, he's used to churning 20-25% of the team every year. We had those huge classes in 2010-2012, so maybe the churn is going to be 30-35% this year, but I don't see it as random or knee jerk.
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Re: What is our plan?
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:54 pm
  • Get Wilson some better skill players on offense should be the plan. I love Baldwin, but outside of these two there isn't another player on offense that scares any DC in the league (Well unless we are talking about the Browns). The Offensive line has to be fixed first though.
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Re: What is our plan?
Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:01 pm
  • I think the window shut at about 7:15 pm on February 1st, 2015. The only playoff win in three seasons following has been against the Lions.

    Oh well, SB 48 can't be taken away. At least we aren't the Browns or Jags...
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Re: What is our plan?
Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:18 pm
  • Hawker8989 wrote:I think the window shut at about 7:15 pm on February 1st, 2015. The only playoff win in three seasons following has been against the Lions.

    Oh well, SB 48 can't be taken away. At least we aren't the Browns or Jags...

    You mean the Browns or the Lions. The Jags don't look too bad right now lol.
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:22 pm
  • Hawker8989 wrote:I think the window shut at about 7:15 pm on February 1st, 2015. The only playoff win in three seasons following has been against the Lions.

    Oh well, SB 48 can't be taken away. At least we aren't the Browns or Jags...


    We (Blair Walsh) did also beat the Vikings in the playoffs following the 2015 season.
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