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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:39 am
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    Only three people in the league did it last year. I think five each year do it annually on average or something.

    Also, we're probably jettisoning Paul Richardson's six touchdowns, so factor that in.

    And finally, remember that even if we do (despite somehow being cash-strapped and pick-strapped) somehow recover those 16 TD's, that only gets us back to the level of our 2017 offense - which we all agree wasn't enough.


    Didn't you hear, we're going back to running the ball to make up for all these lost TD's..................with no RB, no blocking TE, terrible blocking WR's and a horrible O-line.


    Yeah, I really think some are over-exaggerating the loss of Jimmy and Paul. We still have Russell Wilson and the OL damn well better improve under Solari. We also had ONE RB rushing TD. That's far more of an outlier than Jimmy's 10 TDs were. If the running game is even average, we can get 11 RB rushing TDs and that makes up the difference there. If the running game is good, we can get 15+ RB rushing TDs. We have Darboh, hopefully he can get on the field more and get us some TDs. If the line holds up, Wilson stays healthy, and the offensive system is good, I'm not worried.


    I'm not knocking the getting back to the run game, I agree with that philosophy.

    But last time we were a dominate running team we had a HOF running back in his prime, a younger Russell, a great blocking TE and an above average O-line
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    So just changing over our line coach and coordinator without some drastic changes to personnel me thinks isn't going to return us to being a dominant kick ass running football team.


    We don't need a "dominant" run game. We need a threat of a running game and breaking one and improvement. It doesn't have to be 2013 good to get there. Also, the "above average oline" was 32nd in pass blocking in 2013. So that is very debatable as well even if they were good at run blocking.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:52 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    We don't need a "dominant" run game. We need a threat of a running game and breaking one and improvement. It doesn't have to be 2013 good to get there. Also, the "above average oline" was 32nd in pass blocking in 2013. So that is very debatable as well even if they were good at run blocking.


    I meant above average run blocking, that's why everyone gushed all over Cable in the beginning. That was his jam.

    Now we know it was more Russell, Marshawn and a nasty run blocking O-line with a great run bocking TE, and not so much Cable.

    My point is I hope people aren't getting their hopes up that Solari and Schottenheimer will fix this run game, because there's a LOT of issues right now. RB, O-line, WR and TE, take your pick.

    I like the coaching moves, it was time to move on from Bevell and Cable. But IMO this is gonna take a few years until we get a functional O-line and dependable RB that can stay healthy.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    We don't need a "dominant" run game. We need a threat of a running game and breaking one and improvement. It doesn't have to be 2013 good to get there. Also, the "above average oline" was 32nd in pass blocking in 2013. So that is very debatable as well even if they were good at run blocking.


    I meant above average run blocking, that's why everyone gushed all over Cable in the beginning. That was his jam.

    Now we know it was more Russell, Marshawn and a nasty run blocking O-line with a great run bocking TE, and not so much Cable.

    My point is I hope people aren't getting their hopes up that Solari and Schottenheimer will fix this run game, because there's a LOT of issues right now. RB, O-line, WR and TE, take your pick.

    I like the coaching moves, it was time to move on from Bevell and Cable. But IMO this is gonna take a few years until we get a functional O-line and dependable RB that can stay healthy.


    We agree on that for sure. That is exactly why I'm not worried about losing guys like Graham and even Bennett. By the time we really need them and are ready to compete again, they will be near finished anyway.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am
  • Wouldnt tthat be something,like it Cri
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:25 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    hawkman wrote:I sure hope they can find a way to keep him. You don’t let your one true star on O walk and get better.


    One true star, guess Wilson and Baldwin got traded when I wasn't looking, Graham pulled his evade defender route running except when in the End Zone last year, lots of that is Bevells Route trees and play calls, he was always much more productive running the seam and playing off the double out with him going for the post and another receiver taking the out or crossing route.


    I consider a true star to be a guy that is top three maybe top five in the league at his position. While Wilson and Baldwin are good they are not that level of good.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:51 am
  • After listening to Ray Roberts interview where he was absolutely baffled by what Cable was having guys do I'm holding out hope, at least a little hope, that the line will be improved with Solari doing a much better job. Reading between the lines with Roberts he was shocked at what Cable was having the guys do. It seems like once the rule change took place Cable couldn't adapt with it and really held the line back.

    Hoping they get a guy like Wynn in the draft, you already have Brown, Britt is ok and maybe Ifedi is used correctly as he was a guy that Roberts seemed confident could do a much better job with a different coach. It's a long shot but I'm a little optimistic.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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    I never said they were good. I said wait, you've been listening to Fables. You said Horrible, I said Fable was in charge and we don't know. There is some middle ground between Good and Horrible.


    Below average, mediocre, horrible, it's all semantics. It's mediocre at best, and horrible at worst.

    Either way, as with every other position group this O-line is nowhere near at the level it needs to be for Solari to greatly improve the line, even if you think Cable stunk.

    To bring it all back around to why Graham isn't coming back, and we're shopping every good player we have.............we're in BIG trouble all over the place, and desperately need picks and cap space to address major needs.


    Major needs created by...the departure of the players we're shopping.


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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:22 am
  • austinslater25 wrote:After listening to Ray Roberts interview where he was absolutely baffled by what Cable was having guys do I'm holding out hope, at least a little hope, that the line will be improved with Solari doing a much better job. Reading between the lines with Roberts he was shocked at what Cable was having the guys do. It seems like once the rule change took place Cable couldn't adapt with it and really held the line back.

    Hoping they get a guy like Wynn in the draft, you already have Brown, Britt is ok and maybe Ifedi is used correctly as he was a guy that Roberts seemed confident could do a much better job with a different coach. It's a long shot but I'm a little optimistic.


    Kind of where I land, too.

    Heck, if Solari can even be a league standard coach and find us a slightly-below-average LG in the fourth round, we've improved enough to focus on other areas. That's how bad Cable seems to have been in retrospect.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:23 am
  • Frankly hope he’s gone! Graham like Harvin was a hoped for magic bullet that the OC never figured out how to use.

    Graham checked out last year and was done here, he was a wasted 1st rd. pick. Only dissimilar to Harvin in the sense he wasn’t a genuine locker room cancer both were never able to be effectively incorporated into Bevell’s schemes. For him he would be better in a different scheme and maybe NO is his best landing spot. Hope he gets a huge contract elsewhere.

    The best thing that happened to the OLine this offseason was getting rid of Coach Fable. There are some physically talented OLinemen on the team and better and different coaching will go a long way to fixing the mess Cable created. Addition simply by subtraction.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:50 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:He'll be in Houston, New Orleans or New England next year methinks.


    A Gronk & Jimmy combo?

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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:32 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:can we trade him back to NO for Unger?


    Nahhh, we'll keep Unger for another two years. Then we might let y'all have him in in 2020... when he's 33. 8)

    jammerhawk wrote:Frankly hope he’s gone! Graham like Harvin was a hoped for magic bullet that the OC never figured out how to use.

    Graham checked out last year and was done here, he was a wasted 1st rd. pick.


    Don't feel so bad, we wasted the 1st rounder we got from y'all too. :lol:
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:49 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
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    chris98251 wrote:Montana worries about losing 10 TD's, I'm more optimistic about scoring much, much more in quarters 1 - 3 then 10 TD's.


    What is your basis for that optimism?


    A better scheme, and a better O line Coach, and a OC that knows how to use his personnel.

    Not to mention were going to have to be more aggressive on offense with the future of the defense having to get up to the level they need to be. Were going to be losing some people, who is a question mark still.


    Truly hope so!
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:43 am
  • I say we trade him to Cleveland for a couple of picks.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:59 am
  • Njoku flashed well for a rookie TE last year, doubt they'd be interested.

    Maybe the Jets though?
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:50 am
  • In the category of entirely predictable rumors...



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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:16 am
  • Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:17 am
  • saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    At the right price why not? I don’t think he signs with us though he seemed pretty checked out at times last season. Time will tell though.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:26 am
  • saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    It’s a “possibility”, and quite frankly, I’d love to see it happen.

    Money would have to changed/moved around for it to work.

    Slight chance at best but I’d be pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:28 am
  • saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    Not a chance in hell. Some pass-first team will offer him more than Seattle can afford right now.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:32 am
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    saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    Not a chance in hell. Some pass-first team will offer him more than Seattle can afford right now.


    Not so fast, Monty.

    Not many places he can keep that Sea plane.

    I think he’s happy in Seattle.

    It’s not probable but you can’t say “no chance in Hell”
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:33 am
  • FWIW

    NFLN, reporting as we speak.

    GreenBay has contacted Jimmy’s people to show interest.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:36 am
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    saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    Not a chance in hell. Some pass-first team will offer him more than Seattle can afford right now.


    Not so fast, Monty.

    Not many places he can keep that Sea plane.

    I think he’s happy in Seattle.

    It’s not probable but you can’t say “no chance in Hell”


    I just did.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:44 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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    saroos wrote:Anyone think we still may resign Jimmy ? He was still wearing a Seahawks hat over the weekend at the camp him and Njoku were holding. Him and Russ are best friends. I still think there may be a chance he comes back.


    Not a chance in hell. Some pass-first team will offer him more than Seattle can afford right now.


    Not so fast, Monty.

    Not many places he can keep that Sea plane.

    I think he’s happy in Seattle.

    It’s not probable but you can’t say “no chance in Hell”


    I just did.


    Ok then, that’s your opinion.

    But the “fact” is, until he’s signed with another team, there is a “chance”.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:45 am
  • pmedic920 wrote:
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    Not a chance in hell. Some pass-first team will offer him more than Seattle can afford right now.


    Not so fast, Monty.

    Not many places he can keep that Sea plane.

    I think he’s happy in Seattle.

    It’s not probable but you can’t say “no chance in Hell”


    I just did.


    Ok then, that’s your opinion.


    Which is what this thread asked for.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:19 am
  • can we trade him for that thomas wr from new orleans? in that playoff game against the vikings, thomas played way bigger than his frame size, knocking out not 1, but 2 vikings defenders.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:19 pm
  • RW wants him to stay. That's the only reason the front office has been circling the possibility.

    Some of the more troublesome personality weeds have been removed from the team which I think Graham had issues with. That might add another layer of "I might stay" to the scenario.

    At the end of the day though it comes down to $$$. This is Jimmy's last go round for a biggish contract. He has to go where the money ultimately takes him.

    He came back from a terrible injury and did well. Not great - but well which in itself was remarkable. He was never a smashmouth Gronk style TE - more a very big wideout receiver who was horribly misused for much of his time in Seattle.

    If he stays great - if he goes I wish him well. He's a class act.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:05 pm
  • I don't think Wilson or Graham are dictating anything at this point, this is Schotty, Carroll, and Norton.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:09 pm
  • MD5eahawks wrote:I always thought the offense ran better with Zach Miller.



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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:12 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    Only three people in the league did it last year. I think five each year do it annually on average or something.

    Also, we're probably jettisoning Paul Richardson's six touchdowns, so factor that in.

    And finally, remember that even if we do (despite somehow being cash-strapped and pick-strapped) somehow recover those 16 TD's, that only gets us back to the level of our 2017 offense - which we all agree wasn't enough.


    Didn't you hear, we're going back to running the ball to make up for all these lost TD's..................with no RB, no blocking TE, terrible blocking WR's and a horrible O-line.


    We have no idea how good or bad the oline is or will be. You cannot go by what Fable put on the field, that is for damn sure. Only thing you can count on is, he brought out the worst in everyone.


    Right now our starting O-line is Brown (if he doesn't hold out again), ???? at left guard, Britt, Pocic and Ifedi.

    I don't care if the ghost of Vince Lombardi has risen from the grave and is now our O-line coach, that's not a good line.

    I HOPE Solari with HOPEFULLY some free agent guard and/or tackle help will mean some improvement. But that's all you're peddling right now Seymour..............hope.



    I would think Fanta would be our RT since we signed Brown.
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Re: Jimmy Graham RUMORS
Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:11 pm
  • mrblitz wrote:can we trade him for that thomas wr from new orleans? in that playoff game against the vikings, thomas played way bigger than his frame size, knocking out not 1, but 2 vikings defenders.


    You mean the one that repeatedly beat the Xavier Rhodes like a rented mule? Nahhh, he's going to be in black and gold for a long time. He's our stud, or as I read on a Carolina forum, a "big d*** receiver". :lol:

    Anyway, how y'all going to trade someone to us that's not under contract? :stirthepot:
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