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  • Sheldon Richardson doesn’t have the most sterling off-field record over the course of his NFL career and has been suspended for five total games stemming from two separate incidents. Anyone looking to sink guaranteed money into the talented defensive tackle will have to weigh that against his on-field performance to come up with a number. There is no doubt the talent is there though, when it wants to be. Richardson was PFF’s third-highest graded interior defender in 2014 (89.8), but he hasn’t been able to recapture that form since. The good news is that he came closest this past season in Seattle with an 83.8 overall grade and even that level of play is an upgrade for almost every team in the NFL.

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  • Never thought he needed Seattle more than Seattle needed him. It will be interesting to see if he hits the open market what he can command.
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  • Was expecting a little more Aaron Donald out of him. Don't care if he stays or goes. Certainly wouldn't pay him 10+ million
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  • Keep him if the price is right.
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  • A lot of "experts" are saying he's the type of guy to mail it in after he gets a big contract.

    Wouldn't mind taking a chance on Wilkerson with a prove it deal.
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    If they eat the dead money up front, they’ll clear $11 million in cap space. If they designate him a post-June 1 cut, they can push it to $17 million in immediate space.

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  • Unless he’s franchised, he’s gone. It would be unlikely he won’t want the top price his agent can attract, the team won’t be able to get into a bidding situation b/c of their cap situation.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • I'd expect a last place team with cap room to reach on him. But yeah, don't be surprised if he pulls an Albert Haynesworth and just checks out after that.

    I wouldn't mind tagging him to give our other linemen another year to develop.
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  • massari wrote:A lot of "experts" are saying he's the type of guy to mail it in after he gets a big contract


    I think Richardson is a player that needs to be motivated by his coaches and teammates.

    Which is why IMO he played REALLY well for the first 4-5 weeks here because he was proving himself to his new team, coaches and guys on the defense...............then as the season wore on, he wore out and didn't care as much as we were fading from serious SB contention.

    So yes any team that gives him a big contract is taking a risk with his motor and motivation.
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  • If this team goes out and spends $12-15M per year to sign Sheldon, I will officially be on the run Pete and John out of town train. Decent player for around $8M and nothing more than that.

    Our annual SB run is over. We need to focus on getting back on top of the division. That starts with young players and means you may need to live with a few holes for 1 year or 2.
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  • Franchise players can be traded, so there's a chance that they are thinking they could trade him, by not matching another offer, and get more now than the 2019 comp pick if he signs a big deal as a free agent.
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  • What if he signs a one year deal somewhere else and then a long term deal after that? We'd be screwed and get no comp pick after trading a second for him. Basically what happened with Okung. Denver got him for a year, didn't exercise his option, and got a third rounder when the Chargers signed him for big money.
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  • adeltaY wrote:What if he signs a one year deal somewhere else and then a long term deal after that? We'd be screwed and get no comp pick after trading a second for him. Basically what happened with Okung. Denver got him for a year, didn't exercise his option, and got a third rounder when the Chargers signed him for big money.


    It's possible, but it's widely agreed upon that Okung acting as his own agent making that terrible Denver deal was really bad for him.

    Usually one year deals are prove it deals for players coming off an injury or a really down year. That's not the case for Richardson, so I don't see him doing that, someone will give him a decent 2-3 or even 3-4 year deal.

    I'd like to keep him, he's still a top 10-15 interior lineman. But not for more than 10M per year average.
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  • adeltaY wrote:What if he signs a one year deal somewhere else and then a long term deal after that? We'd be screwed and get no comp pick after trading a second for him. Basically what happened with Okung. Denver got him for a year, didn't exercise his option, and got a third rounder when the Chargers signed him for big money.

    Seahawks got two 3rd round comp picks last draft. One from Irvin and one from Okung. https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... gn=RSS_all
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  • No. Watching his run defense down the stretch was heinous and pathetic. I have no interest in paying that much money for a player that will be backing up Naz.

    He's supposed to be a pass rusher and isn't and on top of that, you're wanting to pay a 3rd stringer top tier money. There's no "legitimate" scenario where he should start with a healthy Reed and Naz.

    This is beyond stupid. Let him go and get the comp.
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  • Richardson or Muhammad Wilkerson at that price would be nice.
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  • Lotuleilei and Poe should also be available. If you're going to spend there then at least do spend on a player more consistent. We'd lose no pass rush by getting either over Richardson and get infinitely better run defense.

    Richardson has 2.5 sacks over the last two years combined. This is not a player you worry about keeping for even average money.
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  • "A lot of "experts" are saying he's the type of guy to mail it in after he gets a big contract."

    He would fit right in then.
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  • TreeRon wrote:"A lot of "experts" are saying he's the type of guy to mail it in after he gets a big contract."

    He would fit right in then.


    He mailed it in on a contract year with us at times, so ya I'd say a good chance of that.
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  • His gap control, especially in the week 17 game against Arizona, was an issue. Arians continually called the same run play at Richardson, and we couldn't stop it until he got benched.

    I don't want him back next season. He provided nothing to this team.
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  • Jesus stories like these and fans that buy into them, every off season the mediots have teams they want to smear and attack, creating dissention and rumors, last year they were all over Richard Sherman and he was not coming back etc. Richardson is important, he makes everyone around him better, for gods sake he is a NT and is suppose to occupy space and blockers to free up others. The rest of the line gets tackles and pressures because of him doing this.
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  • I'm pretty sure he's better than any interior pass rusher on our roster. He had a fair few pressures. I also think it was a down year for him. Would any team really pay 10M+ APY for a guy with 2.5 sacks over the past two years like vin mentioned?

    I doubt it, but it is also possible we didn't use him correctly and he goes elsewhere and plays really well. He did have 8 and 6.5 sack seasons before, so the talent is definitely there.
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  • “Like the Rams with Sammy Watkins, the Seahawks could use the franchise tag to help justify a previous trade,” writes Gregg Rosenthal, Around The NFL Editor. “Seattle gave up a second-round pick and receiver Jermaine Kearse to get 654 solid, if unspectacular, snaps out of Richardson. It’s been three full seasons since Richardson has played his best, but coach Pete Carroll is already on the record about trying to keep him.

    “The tag is the easiest way to accomplish that.”
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  • Naz and Reed. Jefferson. I'd have no problem with letting Richardson walk.
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  • If the seahawks front office have learned anything, they should stay far away from a long term deal. Franchise or transition tag only please.
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  • Seymour wrote:If this team goes out and spends $12-15M per year to sign Sheldon, I will officially be on the run Pete and John out of town train. Decent player for around $8M and nothing more than that.

    Our annual SB run is over. We need to focus on getting back on top of the division. That starts with young players and means you may need to live with a few holes for 1 year or 2.


    Sheldon will be 27 when the season starts. We are lacking high level players under 27 on defense. We have Clark and Richardson.

    Griffin, McDougal & Reed show flashes.

    I hope they keep Sheldon on a one year deal, when he's motivated he's a great player. He was huge in that Rams game in LA and then against Atlanta when we needed the ball back on 3rd down down one score, he simply pushed their guard out of the way to sack Matt Ryan.

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  • Dontari Poe and Bennie Logan went for 1 year $8M deals last year and Johnathan Hankins signed a 3 year $27M ($10M guaranteed). That seems to be Richardson's market value.

    If it's more, then let him walk, collect the comp pick and go after Muhammad Wilkerson (if need be) once he's released.
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  • Sheldon was heavily responsible for four wins last season. Crucial turnovers in the away-Rams/Eagles/away-Cards games, a sack to help end Houston's penultimate drive. We're not going to get better by letting him walk, and I doubt we make any big FA splashes this year of all years.

    Brady Henderson brought up an interesting point that Sheldon was adjusting from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and that it may help explain some of why he fell short of expectations.

    I'm one of the "bring him back on a 1-year deal" camp here.
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  • Would love to have him back, but if he’s looking for a huge payday (which I’m sure he is) it’s not worth it in my opinion
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917204/article/sheldon-richardson-likely-wont-get-seahawks-tag


    Kinda what everyone figured, 14M is way too much of a one year cap hit (and too much for how well he played).

    If we do offer Sheldon a contract, it'll be more in a team friendly 2-3 year range so the cap hit isn't so much the first couple years.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917204/article/sheldon-richardson-likely-wont-get-seahawks-tag


    With the tag automatically eating $11 - $14 million, I would be disappointed if we went this route in our current cap situation
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  • I don’t believe for a second tagging him was even ever a consideration.
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