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  • A run game probably the biggest thing, they also appeard to have a lot more discipline than Seattle in so many ways.
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  • A weak schedule that allowed them to get HFA. Then played the 6 seed at home. Then got a Vikings team that had just gotten one of the most improbable wins in NFL history and obviously weren’t ready to play. Then the weakest version of NE that we’ve seen in a decade. There’s a reason we beat them good as we always do.
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  • O-line men?
    Gutsy play caller and Play execution ... yup. They executed play after play after play.
    A TE they actually threw the ball to?
    Nick Foles just throwing the ball...
    Their D was poor, but came through when it mattered.

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  • They got pressure on Brady when it mattered most.
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  • A run game
    Offensive lineman
    Excellent play calling
    3rd down conversions
    Tight end that delivered all over the field
    Brutal defensive front 4
    Better depth
    Adequate kicker
    More hunger in the locker room
    Excellent execution
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    Disciplined on the penalties
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  • The best offensive line in football and a 1-2 punch of power and speed at RB.
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  • Everything we currently don’t have.
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  • Coaches, OL, running game, kicker.
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  • I'll stick with offensively:

    -A competent Oline, Oline coach/scheme
    -Aggressive play calling
    -Playcalling to win instead of playcalling to not lose (huge difference)
    -Not forcing your pass catching TE to block at the point of attack, and using said TE in ways to succeed based on his skillset
    -overall just a better team at nearly every offensive skill position, their RB/WR/TE depth is far superior
    -they have nearly everyone on their team locked up for at least the next 2 years as well


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  • Good coaching and a good OL.

    You can't win without a running game, and you can't run without a decent OL. Also need QB pressure.

    Hopefully our FO took note.
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  • Yet we beat them...weird.
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  • Are you talking about the year we lost in the SB?

    A.

    Better coaching.

    Better quarterback play.

    A willingness to use the RPO throughout the game.

    Or now?

    A. Pretty much everything

    (Hint: we were a team that did not make the playoffs. We aren't that good right now)
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  • Did anyone else notice how the Front Line blocks when they run inside? I envy their run game.
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Did anyone else notice how the Front Line blocks when they run inside? I envy their run game.


    They were opening some serious lanes. Their second level blocking was superb as well.
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  • TAB420 wrote:Yet we beat them...weird.


    :snack:

    By 14 points . . . when they had Carson Wentz.
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Did anyone else notice how the Front Line blocks when they run inside? I envy their run game.


    Yes and Cable was screaming at his TV, "You're blocking it all wrong"
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  • We smoked them when we played them so does that mean we automatically would have beaten the Patriots too? Nope. The NFL is weird that way. I've always maintained that every game is its own entity. What happens one week has no bearing on the next. The best thing the Eagles did was stay aggressive for most of the game. The one time they went soft was towards the end of the game when they called a weak running play on 3rd down where they ended up having to kick a field goal to go up 8 instead of sealing the deal with an aggressive play call to keep the chains moving.

    They are very fortunate that play didn't come back to bite them in the ass but outside of that they did a great job. Brady's stats were off the charts but that strip sack at the end of the game was truly the difference. It's hard to say how the Seahawks would have played yesterday. It's a coin toss if they would have won or not. Certainly we have the talent on paper to do it. But game plan, scheme, coaching...Those are the ultimate variables in my mind.

    I am SO looking forward to the Seahawks being back in the Big Dance. I feel it's going to happen within the next two or three years. Let's get another Lombardi! The first one is lonely. But kudos to the Eagles and their fans. We have had a lot in common over the years.
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  • Really creative Offense that relentlessly attacked the Patriots all day.
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  • Aros wrote: Let's get another Lombardi! The first one is lonely.


    You made me go all tingly, Todd :irishdrinkers:
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  • HFA, that's what they had..............and a coaching staff that went for broke with their scheme and playcalling, and of course execution.

    Cause you can have all sorts of innovative playcalling, but if you don't execute it doesn't matter. So give the players credit as well, especially Foles, he made some incredible throws.
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  • I think we're pretty close to Philly. They're only better than us at offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.
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  • Everything about their offense was just head and shoulders above what the Seahawks have put on the field the last few years.

    OL play
    RB play
    TE play
    Offensive playcalling and schemes
    In game and half time adjustments where needed

    Their defense didn't really do anything to stop Brady until the last strip sack play. That was the game changer.

    Could we have done the same thing to the Patriots with our current team and coaching staff? IMO Nope.
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  • Philly is very disciplined and don't beat themselves. I don't remember even ONE holding call

    They completely control the trenches. They may not have sacked Brady but they made him uncomfortable. Their O-line pushes people around. That is what makes them such an elite team, their D-line and O-line

    The Eagles also have a ballsy coach. Pete would have taken a field goal on the 1 yard line on 4th down. Pete would not have gone for it on 4th & 1 near the 45
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  • Good offensive line coach (still were good despite losing All pro LT Peters)
    Incredible play design and play calling.
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  • Philly is like 7 deep in the DL for rushing the passer. Their OL also has two All Pros on it. Doug Pederson is also a master play caller....so a lot
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  • Now that there is a new offensive coaching staff, hopefully the Seahawks can return to establishing a power running game.
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Philly is very disciplined and don't beat themselves. I don't remember even ONE holding call

    They completely control the trenches. They may not have sacked Brady but they made him uncomfortable. Their O-line pushes people around. That is what makes them such an elite team, their D-line and O-line

    The Eagles also have a ballsy coach. Pete would have taken a field goal on the 1 yard line on 4th down. Pete would not have gone for it on 4th & 1 near the 45


    Nah, but he would have faked the field goal and watched Luke Willson get tackled.

    Execution. That's the difference.
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  • Philly had a more balanced approach and better overall team and they got points at the end when it mattered most. Their backup QB didn't turn the ball over when it mattered most either.

    It was awesome to see golden boy fail not just once, but twice with the game on the line. And a backup journeyman did all the right things, no less.

    Plain and simple, the better TEAM won.
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  • Steve2222 wrote:Philly is like 7 deep in the DL for rushing the passer. Their OL also has two All Pros on it. Doug Pederson is also a master play caller....so a lot



    Good point, and might be THE main reason we faded in SB 49..............after Cliff went out our D-Line no longer could get pressure on Brady, and he picked us apart.

    If you want to beat Brady, you gotta hit him and make him uncomfortable, and Philly had the front seven and depth to do that. Brady STILL threw for almost 600 yards, but never had the explosive plays or could hit the clutch throw down the stretch.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:Philly is like 7 deep in the DL for rushing the passer. Their OL also has two All Pros on it. Doug Pederson is also a master play caller....so a lot



    Good point, and might be THE main reason we faded in SB 49..............after Cliff went out our D-Line no longer could get pressure on Brady, and he picked us apart.

    If you want to beat Brady, you gotta hit him and make him uncomfortable, and Philly had the front seven and depth to do that. Brady STILL threw for almost 600 yards, but never had the explosive plays or could hit the clutch throw down the stretch.


    Yeah. The biggest reason the Eagles won last night was their offense just had so much rhythm. Our offense this year had no rhythm ever due in part to having a ****y OL and scrub HBs.
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  • They played to WIN instead of playing to not lose. Unlike what the Hawks and Falcons did. Gotta' play aggressive for 4 quarters. Doug P is the coach of the year imo, he outcoached the best we've ever seen. Very impressive. And Foles was nails, yet again.
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  • A team that played from the opening whistle.
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  • original poster wrote:A run game
    Offensive lineman
    Excellent play calling
    3rd down conversions
    Tight end that delivered all over the field
    Brutal defensive front 4
    Better depth
    Adequate kicker
    More hunger in the locker room
    Excellent execution
    Fans that eat horse poo (Youtube it)
    Disciplined on the penalties


    I agree with all of this. However, I think it's interesting to consider that except for a couple of missed FG's, I think the Seahawks would have been in the Super Bowl instead of the Eagles. I'm not ignoring the many, many flaws that the Seahawks had this season. The coaching and playcalling was a mess. The Offensive Line was atrocious. The team lacked discipline at critical moments.

    And for all of that, we still should have been 11-5 at the worst. Fix some of those other issues and this could very well have been a dominant season for the Seahawks. Woulda coulda shoulda, but it is fascinating (and frustrating) to think of what might have been.
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  • Quite simply the eagles won because of one play, the strip sack. Brady was on the way to snatching another teams dream. As good as Phillys d line is they had 1 sack and allowed 5.1 yards per carry.

    I'm happy they won but all year long we watched officials overturn plays just like two of the Eagles TD's
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Philly is very disciplined and don't beat themselves. I don't remember even ONE holding call

    They completely control the trenches. They may not have sacked Brady but they made him uncomfortable. Their O-line pushes people around. That is what makes them such an elite team, their D-line and O-line

    The Eagles also have a ballsy coach. Pete would have taken a field goal on the 1 yard line on 4th down. Pete would not have gone for it on 4th & 1 near the 45



    And if they didn't get in? Dumb as hell.

    Pete did the same thing vs Detroit in the playoffs for a TD. So?
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  • Not only does Phily have most of pieces locked up for awhile, they will most likely add two first round pics on rookie contracts for the QB they choose to trade. They are definitely sitting pretty for the next few years.
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  • Philly got a TD that I didn't think was. And Philly's defense was atrocious. Brady carved them up. One strip sack was true difference.

    However if this was our hawks, Russ would be glorified and not crucified.

    This Superbowl the defense lost Brady a ring. They have won him Superbowl in the past.( first cpl)
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  • 1. A running game
    2. A coach that looked at a player who previously flourished using a specific setup on plays to succeed above expectations - RPO
    3. An offensive line
    4. A defense that got an essential turnover when needed.
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  • Well, crappy coaching from the Hawks and the Falcons in the 4th quarter or the Pats are sitting on 3 straight losses in the Superb Owl. Philly was the better team.
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  • DomeHawk wrote:A team that played from the opening whistle.


    This sums it up for me. The one game they did it this year, they manhandled the Eagles.
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  • Three things the Seahawks will hopefully have this year that they didn't have the last few years:

    1. An offensive coordinator in Brian Schottenheimer who understand how to establish offensive rhythm through a diverse offensive attack and focused running game.

    2. Better running backs with the return of Chris Carson and hopefully another addition in the draft.

    3. Improved offensive line play with an offensive line coach in Mike Solari who is focused on technique and fundamentals, a Pro Bowler at LT in Duane Brown, a solid center in Justin Britt, the return of George Fant, promising play by Jordan Roos, and hopefully the move of Germain Ifedi inside to guard.
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  • hawkman wrote:Not only does Phily have most of pieces locked up for awhile, they will most likely add two first round pics on rookie contracts for the QB they choose to trade. They are definitely sitting pretty for the next few years.



    The QB they decide to trade? Lmao they’re not trading Wentz.
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  • Far superior team than current version of Seahawks at nearly every level.

    Stout run game. Disciplined D. Very capable pocket QB.

    And as important as any of the above...coaching-coaching-coaching.
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  • Steve2222 wrote:
    hawkman wrote:Not only does Phily have most of pieces locked up for awhile, they will most likely add two first round pics on rookie contracts for the QB they choose to trade. They are definitely sitting pretty for the next few years.



    The QB they decide to trade? Lmao they’re not trading Wentz.


    I believe you are probably right. If it was just the SB that Foles played like this in it would be a no brainer, but it wasn’t. No guarantee the Eagles are champs right now if Wentz stayed heathy. I believe the trade value for each guy will be figured in the equation.
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  • mrt144 wrote:1. A running game
    2. A coach that looked at a player who previously flourished using a specific setup on plays to succeed above expectations - RPO
    3. An offensive line
    4. A defense that got an essential turnover when needed.


    Thread answer winner. :2thumbs:
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  • Big reliable #1 reciever and a deadly run game.
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  • semiahmoo wrote:Far superior team than current version of Seahawks at nearly every level.

    Stout run game. Disciplined D. Very capable pocket QB.

    And as important as any of the above...coaching-coaching-coaching.




    I keep reading this.....and Philly is good.....but the head to head result speaks for itself.

    Teams that are "far superior" dont get spanked on the field like the Eagles did when we played them.

    The hyperbole to make some kind of point here is a bit over the top.
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  • It's simple, they got pressure from their DL at the end of the game where everyone is used to seeing Tommy Boy do his thing. The strip sack was a game breaker. The Hawks DL disappeared in the SB 49 game late.
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  • Hawkpower wrote:
    semiahmoo wrote:Far superior team than current version of Seahawks at nearly every level.

    Stout run game. Disciplined D. Very capable pocket QB.

    And as important as any of the above...coaching-coaching-coaching.




    I keep reading this.....and Philly is good.....but the head to head result speaks for itself.

    Teams that are "far superior" dont get spanked on the field like the Eagles did when we played them.

    The hyperbole to make some kind of point here is a bit over the top.


    I don’t think you can ever place to much importance on one game for comparison purposes. I believe UW was a far superior team to ASU this season, yet ASU made UW look like a bottom feeder. The Rams may be a better team than the Hawks at this point in time, but definitely not 42-7 better. Seems like most good teams have a game like that every year. This year the Eagles had theirs against the Hawks.
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  • hawkman wrote:
    I don’t think you can ever place to much importance on one game for comparison purposes. I believe UW was a far superior team to ASU this season, yet ASU made UW look like a bottom feeder. The Rams may be a better team than the Hawks at this point in time, but definitely not 42-7 better. Seems like most good teams have a game like that every year. This year the Eagles had theirs against the Hawks.


    Very true, but the Hawks pounding the Eagles, and Eagles beating the Pats just shows us what a parity league the NFL is............and why things like scheme, playcalling, coaching, preparation and execution is usually what decide games..........and not so much the talent disparity on the field.

    It's literally how the Patriots have remained on top for 15 years, and also why the Eagles won last night. Great coaching, preparation and executed more clutch plays than the Patriots.
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