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Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:19 am
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 am
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    Unless of course he forgets about his fine for losing his cool in that game too.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:36 am
  • To those who say there hasn't been significant residual damage from "The Play" just shut up now.

    It's been festering inside this team and the Hawks have not been the same since.

    And yes, I think some on the team have (unfairly) judged RW harshly for it because they see the play calling as reflective of wanting to give him that SB win instead of making it a team win - and they might be right regarding the call itself.

    That call, with that receiver, was fudged up.

    Now if we had Jimmy Graham or similar at the time rumbling across the middle, OK, the call might make a little more sense.

    But to Lockette? Hell no.

    I get it. The call has been beat to death a milliong times over, but as the video above shows, it's still an issue and it will always remain an issue with this team until we get another SB - which may never happen.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:47 am
  • semiahmoo wrote:To those who say there hasn't been significant residual damage from "The Play" just shut up now.

    It's been festering inside this team and the Hawks have not been the same since.

    And yes, I think some on the team have (unfairly) judged RW harshly for it because they see the play calling as reflective of wanting to give him that SB win instead of making it a team win - and they might be right regarding the call itself.

    That call, with that receiver, was fudged up.

    Now if we had Jimmy Graham or similar at the time rumbling across the middle, OK, the call might make a little more sense.

    But to Lockette? Hell no.

    I get it. The call has been beat to death a milliong times over, but as the video above shows, it's still an issue and it will always remain an issue with this team until we get another SB - which may never happen.



    Bennett’s lack of poise after the play was a complete failure on the field leadership. He should have been the leader on the field. Instead, he started a fight and got fined. His actions were the beginning of any problems stemming from the play. He has zero room to talk. Stay above reproach, or stay silent.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:57 am
  • Maybe he should have been more concerned with his unit giving up a 10 point lead.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:09 pm
  • "And yes, I think some on the team have (unfairly) judged RW harshly for it because they see the play calling as reflective of wanting to give him that SB win instead of making it a team win - and they might be right regarding the call itself. "
    If true then they (the malcontents) are partially responsible for some of the loses since.
    Also, the FO should have rid themselves of these guys long ago.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:14 pm
  • For those who are still butt sore over that play have other issues other than that play. Especially those "professionals". I am a big MB fan but he just needs to get over it. If he is letting this affect him still then he needs to be purged (along with any other players as well). This mentality is not championship calibre. I bet I could find enough plays in that game where he whiffed or came up short. Just move on already or leave. Just stop whining.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:27 pm
  • Go away, Bennett.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 pm
  • But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:08 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:30 pm
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    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.


    Whatever. I'm aware of the injuries and the situation. They asked about playing against Brady, not about that last play. If you don't think Bennett comes off as a baby in that interview, I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:31 pm
  • Its facts that the team never recovered from that loss. You can see it. People trying to say injuries or they got old....it could be part of it but loss was the dagger.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:33 pm
  • He is right.

    And now Bevell is finally gone. It's a fresh start.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:41 pm
  • The defense will always get a pass because of that last play, but there just as responsible for that loss as Bevell.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:47 pm
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    semiahmoo wrote:To those who say there hasn't been significant residual damage from "The Play" just shut up now.

    It's been festering inside this team and the Hawks have not been the same since.

    And yes, I think some on the team have (unfairly) judged RW harshly for it because they see the play calling as reflective of wanting to give him that SB win instead of making it a team win - and they might be right regarding the call itself.

    That call, with that receiver, was fudged up.

    Now if we had Jimmy Graham or similar at the time rumbling across the middle, OK, the call might make a little more sense.

    But to Lockette? Hell no.

    I get it. The call has been beat to death a milliong times over, but as the video above shows, it's still an issue and it will always remain an issue with this team until we get another SB - which may never happen.



    Bennett’s lack of poise after the play was a complete failure on the field leadership. He should have been the leader on the field. Instead, he started a fight and got fined. His actions were the beginning of any problems stemming from the play. He has zero room to talk. Stay above reproach, or stay silent.


    Totally agree. Have not been a Bennett fan for some time.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:50 pm
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    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.


    True. There's video of the Pats sideline and you can see Belichek literally recognize the play that's going to be called. For a second he's stunned because it seems so stupid. Then they prepare for it.

    And win the game.

    I agree our D allowed the comeback - but then again, it is NE and comebacks are Brady's thing - GOAT.

    So when you get a chance to beat them, you can't go bonehead and to this day I am convinced the Seahawks went full on bonehead with that play call at that particular time.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 pm
  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:Its facts that the team never recovered from that loss. You can see it. People trying to say injuries or they got old....it could be part of it but loss was the dagger.


    YUP. Never really understood the whole "It wasn't the play" or "they're over the play by now" mentality of some on forums like this.

    That play was as you say, a dagger to the heart and the trust between players and coaches has never recovered, and without that, you're not a legit playoff team but a pretender, and this season, we couldn't even pretend anymore...
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:20 pm
  • He's right. That game was given away at the 1 yard line.

    Stop telling a guy who plays very hard for the team to do anything.

    He's on the team, you're on the internet.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:39 pm
  • THE TABS wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.

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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:46 pm
  • Regardless of how the defense gave up a 10 pt lead, the offense had a chance to win the SB on the 1 yd line and didn’t . Getting so close for a repeat and didn’t because of a questionable call is gonna hurt for a long time.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:46 pm
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    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.

    Great post and I have been saying this forever.
    The Pats got back in only after we had some more game changing injuries(You forgot Avril btw)
    The part with RW throwing instead of running it in is my peeve about him in some ways
    I keep waiting for him to take control of the play.
    He could see that play was not going to work or should have.
    You don't throw it unless you are damn sure you got it or toss it to ground
    for another play or run it in@least fake it then pass..
    MB if he can't get over it then bye bye..
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:52 pm
  • Bevell is gone, this is like the ex cheating and then saying it won't happen again, it's always in the back of your mind however and the relationship is never the same, at least now they can move forward.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:07 pm
  • I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:25 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:31 pm
  • It's so weird: until recently, everyone here loved Bennett, now they all want him to go away. I wonder what happened between there. I may have to take a knee and ponder this...
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:40 pm
  • WindCityHawk wrote:It's so weird: until recently, everyone here loved Bennett, now they all want him to go away. I wonder what happened between there. I may have to take a knee and ponder this...


    Pretty much.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:41 pm
  • SixSeahawk wrote:He's on the team, you're on the internet.


    This should be on the masthead.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:12 pm
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    THE TABS wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.

    Great post and I have been saying this forever.
    The Pats got back in only after we had some more game changing injuries(You forgot Avril btw)
    The part with RW throwing instead of running it in is my peeve about him in some ways
    I keep waiting for him to take control of the play.
    He could see that play was not going to work or should have.
    You don't throw it unless you are damn sure you got it or toss it to ground
    for another play or run it in@least fake it then pass..
    MB if he can't get over it then bye bye..


    Should have known it wasn't going to work? Give me a break. It's easy to say when you know the result.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:22 pm
  • Bennett honestly needs to be traded, I'm over him.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:46 pm
  • Love Bennett, says the stuff everyone else is afraid or to PC to say, we had attitude and swagger prior to that play and lost it except a few individuals that are now considered cancers by many poster here, go back under the covers if you can't handle the other side of the coin, we win your giving them praises for being dominant, now you say they are disruptive.

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:47 pm
  • It’s way passed time for moose brains to move on.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:07 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Go away, Bennett.


    Yep
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:10 pm
  • WindCityHawk wrote:It's so weird: until recently, everyone here loved Bennett, now they all want him to go away. I wonder what happened between there. I may have to take a knee and ponder this...


    Eh there’s more than just a knee. The Vegas thing, jumping offsides 2x a game, being an absolute sore loser in defeat. Add throwing his coaches under the bus just now. Things like this start to wear thin.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:12 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:25 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation


    Because Lynch was SO prone to fumble right? I’m not going to waste time running the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet based on pure odds Wilson was more likely to throw an incomplete pass or INT than Lynch fumbling. Great film study by a young DB against a PREDICTABLE playcaller paid dividends.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:29 pm
  • These types of comments are so overblown. “Shut up now” about solidifies the close minded sentiment that lets weakness fester.

    I’m sure it bothers the players when they think about it, or asked about it. But to encourage the idea it’s damaging the present and future underscores, disrespects the level of competitive ambition, hard work, maturity and professionalism many of these players have. It’s far too convenient a cop out to suggest the teams inability to return to the super bowl is because of that play. The Patriots have lost Super Bowls. They are going back. The Broncos got blown out. Won it 2 years later.

    The teams struggles are not because of a play, or a loss, even one that big. It’s a stick small minds or fragile egos use to swing when they can’t move on.

    Losses will stick with people. I’m sure Brady remembers losing. It didn’t destroy this team. Injuries, bad management decisions and a lack of adjustment is the issue.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:42 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation


    Because Lynch was SO prone to fumble right? I’m not going to waste time running the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet based on pure odds Wilson was more likely to throw an incomplete pass or INT than Lynch fumbling. Great film study by a young DB against a PREDICTABLE playcaller paid dividends.



    And Wilson was SO prone to throwing Interceptions right?
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:43 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation


    Because Lynch was SO prone to fumble right? I’m not going to waste time running the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet based on pure odds Wilson was more likely to throw an incomplete pass or INT than Lynch fumbling. Great film study by a young DB against a PREDICTABLE playcaller paid dividends.



    Not really. I mean, he did almost lose the ball to the Panthers 2 weeks before that, but we won that game easily. Lynch is no more likey to turn it over than our QB, who's known for 4th Quarter heroics and had only thrown an interception 7 times all year. Pete had gone with Wilson in several goal line or 4th down situations, and succeeded. If you don't have a QB that's done that for you several times, then you end up like the Jaguars and Vikings did today

    Lynch was also not known for converting those situations often that year. If Lynch doesn't get it, it's poor clock management. We see teams lose all the time for overly safe playcalling, Pete went for the jugular
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:45 pm
  • Good post by Si.

    IMO the difference between us and the other teams that overcame the losses are that we still have the same players as our core and star players and they have brought us down in their sour grapes. But Si nailed it in his last couple of sentences.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:15 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.

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  • Uh-oh. I've been told to "shut up now". Guess I'd better shut up now.

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:41 pm
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    Seanhawk wrote:But, but, what about the 10 point lead you gave up? That was the question.


    Coming into that game, Kam was playing with a torn MCL, Sherm was playing with a hyperextended elbow, and Earl was playing with a torn labrum. In the cases of Sherm and Earl, they were both playing with one arm tied behind their backs. They both missed a lot of tackles that day that they normally wouldn’t have missed.

    Also, Jeremy Lane blew out his knee in the first quarter, and Tharold Simon also went down in the third. By the time the fourth quarter came around, our secondary was an absolute mess, and Tom Brady took full advantage. THAT’S why we blew that lead.

    As for the interception, there’s this; the way the Pats defense was aligned, RW walks in for a touchdown if we call read option on that play, AND, what hurts the most about that play to this day, NE had two time outs and did not use them, meaning that they were getting ready to CONCEDE THE TOUCHDOWN.

    That’s what hurts the most about that day.

    Lane broke his arm. Just wanted to correct the info...



    Or add to the info. He broke his arm and blew out his knee on the same play.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:47 pm
  • I want Michael Bennett gone. Locker room cancer. He wouldn't last 2 seconds on the Pats.
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Re: Still a problem for players
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:I don’t care what anyone says. The only ones who keep this false narrative going are pundits like Screamin’ A and others. It was a good play call that got undone by a better reaction from Butler. If Butler is even an inch late on that, we win. The ball was on target, everything looked fine. Butler made a GREAT play. If we’re gonna nitpick at anything, it’s maybe that Kearse didn’t pull off the rub, and Lockette was too lackadaisical going to the ball as if it was a given



    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation



    Fact of the matter is that throwing the ball, which was Pete's call, was a good call. The particular play that was called, which was called by Bevell, was TERRIBLE. The pats brought in their big package. We threw a quick slant right into that big pckage that relied on RICARDO FREAKING LOCKETTE to make the play, and Kearse to shield out BRANDON FREKING BROWNER.

    The team never recovered, there was no fallout from the call. No closure. The players who are held to the next man up and compete mantras, watched their failure of an OC keep his job and continue to be a failure.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:24 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    WmHBonney wrote:

    WRONG.
    Worst play call since Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.


    Cute, but not a valid counter

    Most of the criticism of that play is rooted in hindsight. Had Lynch fumbled, or had something gone catastrophic, the criticism would be why did Pete not trust his QB and waste a time out

    The criticism is rarely, if ever rooted on actual analysis of the play. Butler made an amazing play that 99% of defenders wouldn't have the instincts to make in that situation


    Because Lynch was SO prone to fumble right? I’m not going to waste time running the numbers, but I’d be willing to bet based on pure odds Wilson was more likely to throw an incomplete pass or INT than Lynch fumbling. Great film study by a young DB against a PREDICTABLE playcaller paid dividends.



    Not really. I mean, he did almost lose the ball to the Panthers 2 weeks before that, but we won that game easily. Lynch is no more likey to turn it over than our QB, who's known for 4th Quarter heroics and had only thrown an interception 7 times all year. Pete had gone with Wilson in several goal line or 4th down situations, and succeeded. If you don't have a QB that's done that for you several times, then you end up like the Jaguars and Vikings did today

    Lynch was also not known for converting those situations often that year. If Lynch doesn't get it, it's poor clock management. We see teams lose all the time for overly safe playcalling, Pete went for the jugular


    FYI icompletions are as bad as interceptions in that situation.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:45 pm
  • It’s in the past. You identify your mistakes, learn from them, and move on. Bennett and other players and staff who dwell on it and continue to make issue and gin termoil of it have allowed themselves to become mistakes that the organization should move on from as well.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:47 pm
  • Did Bennett play this year? Not much production! New slogan for him should be stand up, shut up and play!
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:48 pm
  • Bennett needs to be traded because he is no longer the player in the field he used to be. That’s it plain and simple.

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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:53 pm
  • You can’t walk away from that like nothing happened. It was too traumatic of an professional experance for the players to act like nothing was wrong. Keep an eye on the Falcons and see what happens with them. Are they better off because the OC left right after the Bowl? I don’t know but we will see with the hawks this Season.
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Re: Still a problem for players
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:01 pm
  • Oh come on!

    It was a singularly galactically stupid play call by Bevell who never manned up and took responsibility. It has taken his firing and that of Cable for the wounds to begin to heal. In fact I can’t still watch the end of that game. I don’t blame players for still honestly venting about it.

    Bevell should have been fired the next day. The team needed closure and never got it. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory is hard to let go without a new focus.

    The newfound hate for Bennett is palpable here.

    The play still totally pisses me off. I’m not even a player on the team, so I can’t even imagine.

    Hate away!
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