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One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:40 pm
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:51 pm
  • I won’t miss a darn thing, I wish he’d been given a pink slip after XLIX.
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    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:51 pm
  • Or....do you think we'll ever see another Baldwin to Wilson touchdown? That was pretty slick.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:28 pm
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm
  • On a play near the goal line, the fake fall down and immediate get back up by Zach Miller and subsequent TD pass to a wide-open Zach Miller from Russell Wilson.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:48 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:On a play near the goal line, the fake fall down and immediate get back up by Zach Miller and subsequent TD pass to a wide-open Zach Miller from Russell Wilson.


    That was a fun play.! But why did I think that was John Carlson...
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:34 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:On a play near the goal line, the fake fall down and immediate get back up by Zach Miller and subsequent TD pass to a wide-open Zach Miller from Russell Wilson.



    That was John Carlson. That was against the Saints in the beast quake game. That was Bates.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:38 pm
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:50 pm
  • 2nd and three and having everyone go deep with a empty backfield and watching Russell Run for his life quarters 1 - 3 and then failing to convert with a running play on the next down.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:11 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:2nd and three and having everyone go deep with a empty backfield and watching Russell Run for his life quarters 1 - 3 and then failing to convert with a running play on the next down.


    Ah yes, my favorite, empty backfields on short yardage. The good ol days will be surely missed.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:56 pm
  • Watching the offense sputter almost the entire first half with no identity and then suddenly after the 2 minute warning put together a 10 play, 1:30 minute drive, with great pass protection, and Wilson connecting with four different receivers for a touchdown.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:57 am
  • 3rd and longs (almost all 3rd downs were) and we call a scripted play to throw the ball well before the 1st down marker. Brilliance at its best.

    On a side note there were 2 stretches of pure excitement.

    1-2012 Back to back offensive thrashings of the Turds and Bills. I never witnessed anything like it before or since.

    2-2015 The span of games where Wilson to Baldwin was pure magic.

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:09 am
  • Palmegranite wrote:Or....do you think we'll ever see another Baldwin to Wilson touchdown? That was pretty slick.


    That literally happened right in front of me. LOVED it. The Clink exploded!
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:12 am
  • XxXdragonXxX wrote:Bubble screens!

    That were often ineffective.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:15 am
  • Do you know what I'm going to miss about Bevell? I can't think of a single thing.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:14 am
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    chris98251 wrote:2nd and three and having everyone go deep with a empty backfield and watching Russell Run for his life quarters 1 - 3 and then failing to convert with a running play on the next down.


    Ah yes, my favorite, empty backfields on short yardage. The good ol days will be surely missed.


    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post ... -empty-set

    According to ESPN Stats & Information data, Wilson averaged 10.3 passing yards per attempt when the Seahawks were in empty last year (2015). That was the top mark in the NFL. He completed 74.7 percent of his passes, which was fourth.


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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:35 am
  • The Hawks could probably do better if they could actually pass protect.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:48 am
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    seahawkfreak wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:2nd and three and having everyone go deep with a empty backfield and watching Russell Run for his life quarters 1 - 3 and then failing to convert with a running play on the next down.


    Ah yes, my favorite, empty backfields on short yardage. The good ol days will be surely missed.


    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post ... -empty-set

    According to ESPN Stats & Information data, Wilson averaged 10.3 passing yards per attempt when the Seahawks were in empty last year (2015). That was the top mark in the NFL. He completed 74.7 percent of his passes, which was fourth.




    Bring out all the stats you want. Empty set in 3rd/4th and short is idiotic. It straight tells the defense you are passing and have no extra pass protection with the RB. I'd bet those stats were more in the 4th quarter as well.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:59 am
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    onanygivensunday wrote:On a play near the goal line, the fake fall down and immediate get back up by Zach Miller and subsequent TD pass to a wide-open Zach Miller from Russell Wilson.


    That was a fun play.! But why did I think that was John Carlson...


    That was a brilliantly called game all the way. Hass played well, everything just fell into place. Plays were unpredictable enough that the Saints were off balanced and fighting up hill.....yeah, that was Jeremy Bates’s best game called.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:03 am
  • seahawkfreak wrote:
    Bring out all the stats you want. Empty set in 3rd/4th and short is idiotic. It straight tells the defense you are passing and have no extra pass protection with the RB. I'd bet those stats were more in the 4th quarter as well.


    Not true, just about every team has empty set run plays..............including us running Russell on 3rd and short.

    Is it successful? Not of late, no. Thus Cable and Bevell being fired.

    If done right, empty sets get defenders out of the box to open up space for the QB to run, or sweeps, etc.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:53 am
  • I am going to miss the empty set pass into congested middle on 2nd and short to win a game..........

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:53 am
  • :sarcasm_on: all the scoreless first quarters...halves...scoring 3 against the Lambs last year...12 against the Dolphins too, 10 against the 49ers... :sarcasm_off:

    He called a few good games, but overall, it sucked.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:11 am
  • I’ll miss Jimmy Graham run blocking.


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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:18 am
  • I'm going to miss the quick bubble screens for 5 yard losses............................. where our 160 lb skinny WR's get blasted and run over by DB's and LB's.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:28 am
  • Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:56 am
  • kidhawk wrote:Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

    Let's see, 27 of those 43 points were scored by our offense. Malcolm Smith had a pick six, Cliff Avril got the safety, and Percy Harvin returned a kick-off for a TD.

    But yeah, let's give a lot of credit to Bevell for that win. :roll:
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:19 pm
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    kidhawk wrote:Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

    Let's see, 27 of those 43 points were scored by our offense. Malcolm Smith had a pick six, Cliff Avril got the safety, and Percy Harvin returned a kick-off for a TD.

    But yeah, let's give a lot of credit to Bevell for that win. :roll:


    If you watched the game, we won in every phase. If you can't give credit where it's due, that's your problem. I happen to be grateful to every coach and player who was involved in that historic Seahawks victory. Heck, as much as I dislike Harvin, I even appreciate his TD to open the 2nd half.

    That has nothing to do with whether he should continue to coach here, but I'll be damned if I'll let what happened in recent years taint my lovefest for that victory. You can feel free to taint that win in any fashion you wish
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:45 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
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    kidhawk wrote:Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

    Let's see, 27 of those 43 points were scored by our offense. Malcolm Smith had a pick six, Cliff Avril got the safety, and Percy Harvin returned a kick-off for a TD.

    But yeah, let's give a lot of credit to Bevell for that win. :roll:


    If you watched the game, we won in every phase. If you can't give credit where it's due, that's your problem. I happen to be grateful to every coach and player who was involved in that historic Seahawks victory. Heck, as much as I dislike Harvin, I even appreciate his TD to open the 2nd half.

    That has nothing to do with whether he should continue to coach here, but I'll be damned if I'll let what happened in recent years taint my lovefest for that victory. You can feel free to taint that win in any fashion you wish


    To add to what you said about a team win, even though we didn't need the offense, there was nothing to suggest Denver was stopping them. In the first half when the game was still in doubt I think there were only 3 drives that ended FG, FG, TD. Look further, I think we got jobbed on that first drive and Russ got the first down on the drive stalling play. And the ball was right on the money on the 2nd drive that could have been a FG. I could be wrong, but wasn't the next offensive drive the one after the fumble recovery at 29-0 to make it 36-0?
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:03 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:20 pm
  • I for one would really like to hear what Bevell had to say about Tom Cable:

    Did Bevell initiated Cable's involvement in run games?
    Did Bevell approve of Cable's personnel decisions?
    Did Bevell ever had the power to fire Cable?

    NFL coaching community is pretty closely knitted, guess we will never get know.

    Personally, I believe Bevell the OC never had the power to pick his own OL coach. So post Lynch, we basically had a two headed monster in our offense coaching.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:22 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:If you watched the game, we won in every phase.

    Gee, no, I had better things to do that day; like watch paint dry. :roll:

    kidhawk wrote:If you can't give credit where it's due, that's your problem.

    I didn't say he deserves no credit, but I will say this now: he deserves less than probably every other coach & coordinator on that team. Hell, dude, we'd have won the game if the offense scored ZERO points...16-8 Seahawks win, lol. He could have slept in at the hotel and missed the game, and we'd still have won the Super Bowl.

    Just sayin'.

    kidhawk wrote:I happen to be grateful to every coach and player who was involved in that historic Seahawks victory. Heck, as much as I dislike Harvin, I even appreciate his TD to open the 2nd half.

    That return by Harvin was a thing of beauty, it's too bad he's a headcase. Being grateful to anyone associated with a positive act is not how I tend to roll in life, personally. A group can have great success at something and still have a worthless straggler or two. Just like how guilt by association isn't accurate a lot of the time, neither is praise or positivity by association. ;)

    kidhawk wrote:That has nothing to do with whether he should continue to coach here, but I'll be damned if I'll let what happened in recent years taint my lovefest for that victory. You can feel free to taint that win in any fashion you wish

    I'm not even sure how you're considering this me tainting that victory. That victory was absolutely amazing. Dominance at a level that is, frankly, almost never seen in the pinnacle game or series of any given sport. Our defense is what set the tone and let the offense do its usual screw around crap and finally find a rhythm, though. We scored one TD in the first half on offense. Of the three phases of the game, I don't think there's any debate that the defense was the biggest piece, followed by special teams, then by the offense. Hell, by the time we got our second TD on offense, the Broncos were already humiliated and itching to go home and end the misery with booze.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:49 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:If you watched the game, we won in every phase.

    Gee, no, I had better things to do that day; like watch paint dry. :roll:


    kidhawk wrote:That has nothing to do with whether he should continue to coach here, but I'll be damned if I'll let what happened in recent years taint my lovefest for that victory. You can feel free to taint that win in any fashion you wish

    I'm not even sure how you're considering this me tainting that victory. That victory was absolutely amazing. Dominance at a level that is, frankly, almost never seen in the pinnacle game or series of any given sport. Our defense is what set the tone and let the offense do its usual screw around crap and finally find a rhythm, though. We scored one TD in the first half on offense. Of the three phases of the game, I don't think there's any debate that the defense was the biggest piece, followed by special teams, then by the offense. Hell, by the time we got our second TD on offense, the Broncos were already humiliated and itching to go home and end the misery with booze.


    I'll just skip over the rest of the post because this is really the crux that is mostly tied to why I posted in this thread.

    Sure Bevell and co. had to go, but I give them credit, just like I give Harvin, Carroll and everyone else who helped the team through that season and for that particular game credit, because it's the greatest memory I may ever get as a Seahawks fan. We will NEVER win another First Super Bowl in our history. This is what I will always take with me from guys like Bevell and Cable who have been fired.

    Yes I'm happy we've moved forward and are shaking up the coaching staff, it was past due, but I am more than happy to have fond memories of every single piece of the puzzle that got us our first Lombardi.

    As I said, you don't have to, you can pick and choose, that's everyone's prerogative. I simply am posting that I will always remember these guys for that magical season and not for the decline that has come in years since.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:40 pm
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    kidhawk wrote:
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    kidhawk wrote:Say what you want about the man, and I'm glad we are kick starting this team over the off season, but I'll always be grateful for....

    Let's see, 27 of those 43 points were scored by our offense. Malcolm Smith had a pick six, Cliff Avril got the safety, and Percy Harvin returned a kick-off for a TD.

    But yeah, let's give a lot of credit to Bevell for that win. :roll:


    If you watched the game, we won in every phase. If you can't give credit where it's due, that's your problem. I happen to be grateful to every coach and player who was involved in that historic Seahawks victory. Heck, as much as I dislike Harvin, I even appreciate his TD to open the 2nd half.

    That has nothing to do with whether he should continue to coach here, but I'll be damned if I'll let what happened in recent years taint my lovefest for that victory. You can feel free to taint that win in any fashion you wish


    To add to what you said about a team win, even though we didn't need the offense, there was nothing to suggest Denver was stopping them. In the first half when the game was still in doubt I think there were only 3 drives that ended FG, FG, TD. Look further, I think we got jobbed on that first drive and Russ got the first down on the drive stalling play. And the ball was right on the money on the 2nd drive that could have been a FG. I could be wrong, but wasn't the next offensive drive the one after the fumble recovery at 29-0 to make it 36-0?
    hawks were up 22-0 @ the half, then Percy happened on the kickoff, 29-0.

    Getting back to your last sentence, I think it was. Hawks had a TD on the Kearse “pinball play” to make it 36-0.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:03 am
  • jammerhawk wrote:I won’t miss a darn thing, I wish he’d been given a pink slip after XLIX.



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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:42 pm
  • Palmegranite wrote:Or....do you think we'll ever see another Baldwin to Wilson touchdown? That was pretty slick.


    Don't forget the TD pass from Sidney Rice in 2012, and IIRC, Golden Tate had an awkward looking left-handed TD pass as well, I think that same year. We had a receiving corps with the highest QB rating ever that year. Add in Jon Ryan's TD pass in 2014, but that was probably not Bevell's doing.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:29 pm
  • What I will miss the most is everyone blaming Bevell when Wilson went off-script and it ended poorly, and crediting Wilson when he went off-script and it went well.

    Fact of the matter is we have a QB who goes off-script all the time. It's his thing. His "magic". However, the other side of that fact is that he's a coach killer because he goes off-script.

    I'm glad we got a rushing-game OC, because that's all he can coordinate in this offense. Our playbook should be 15 rushing plays and 1 pass play, which will generally be scribbled in the artificial turf while in the huddle and include instructions like "break toward the sideline at the gatorade bucket".
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:49 pm
  • I'll miss that counter pass where we had the entire team pulling one direction, and a wide open Lynch squirts out the other direction for a catch and big gain.

    Of course I've been missing that for a couple of years now.

    Guess since it had success, we would never fool the other teams with it anymore so it had to be shelved. :sarcasm_off:
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:08 am
  • KiwiHawk wrote:What I will miss the most is everyone blaming Bevell when Wilson went off-script and it ended poorly, and crediting Wilson when he went off-script and it went well.

    Fact of the matter is we have a QB who goes off-script all the time. It's his thing. His "magic". However, the other side of that fact is that he's a coach killer because he goes off-script.


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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:09 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm going to miss the quick bubble screens for 5 yard losses............................. where our 160 lb skinny WR's get blasted and run over by DB's and LB's.


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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:50 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:What I will miss the most is everyone blaming Bevell when Wilson went off-script and it ended poorly, and crediting Wilson when he went off-script and it went well.

    Fact of the matter is we have a QB who goes off-script all the time. It's his thing. His "magic". However, the other side of that fact is that he's a coach killer because he goes off-script.


    Yep.


    Blinders. Pretty much 0% of the on-script passing game ever worked due to a combination of poor design and poor o-line. That's why RW had to go off-script. If not for that we would have had like 40 yards of offense per game.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:28 am
  • KiwiHawk wrote:What I will miss the most is everyone blaming Bevell when Wilson went off-script and it ended poorly, and crediting Wilson when he went off-script and it went well.

    Fact of the matter is we have a QB who goes off-script all the time. It's his thing. His "magic". However, the other side of that fact is that he's a coach killer because he goes off-script.

    This recognition is the key to the Seahawks success. Glenn Sather didn't force Gretzky at al to 2 periods of scripted plays, and the fans were rewarded with 5 Stanley Cups. Flutie's coach in the CFL gave him tons of leeway in 96-97 CFL and was rewarded with back to back championships.
    Pete and the new OC need to recognize this "once in a generation" trait in Russell Wilson. If they do, multiple Super Bowls will follow.
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Re: One thing I will miss about Bevell
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:30 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:What I will miss the most is everyone blaming Bevell when Wilson went off-script and it ended poorly, and crediting Wilson when he went off-script and it went well.

    Fact of the matter is we have a QB who goes off-script all the time. It's his thing. His "magic". However, the other side of that fact is that he's a coach killer because he goes off-script.


    Yep.

    While this definitely happens, the need for blame would be reduced if we regularly had offensive formations with route trees that gave Russell an easy dump-off option.
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